The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[hippie_hunter]

I have only seen his X-Men films so I have no idea myself, just what I've read sometimes.

Any film you would recommend?

Usual Suspects (I'm a huge Kevin Spacey fan), Valkyrie, and even though a lot of people hate it and I often make fun of it as well, I actually really like Superman Returns.

 

[JKKS085]

Is there any superhero franchise that hasn't dipped in quality by the 4th or 5th movie?

It's the 4th/5th movie curse.

Well DOFP is the 5th X-Men film if you disregard the Wolverine spin-offs and yet there is an awful lot of people calling it the best X-Men film yet. So who knows maybe there's no curse after all.

 

[Wildcard]

There's no such thing as a curse & there hasn't ever been, tbh.

The only thing that happens when franchises go on this long is studios get lazy & start hiring terrible people to helm the movies because they believe the product is popular enough to sell regardless of how bad it is.

X-Men is gonna do fine, they're actually making an attempt to bring it back to the limelight. And even without being connected to the MCU, the X-Men universe is massive enough for them to keep fans interested for a long time to come.

 

[Atharun]

I think a god example of avoiding fatigue and reinvigorating a franchise is what Universal did with the Fast and Furious franchise. After the 3rd bombed they kinda went to a "back to basics" concept and improved the quality immensely and look at how it turned out. The last one made over 700 mil, and every film since fast 4 has made more than the previous. I think quality has a lot to do with it but then again I loved this movie and most people I know and have heard from loved TASM2 as well so maybe fatigue is it...

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Fatigue has never been entirely quality related. Whether its a sports person who becomes burnt out playing to much of the game they love. Or a desert you're sick of even if it might be your favorite.

You can have to much of a good thing. When so many films are put out in a short space of time they lose there impact. There were 8 years between Nolan series and the one before.

In North America it may make sense but ASM2 seems to have had a decent reception in most places. I'm interested to know the reasons for the discrepancy tbh.

There's been numerous mentions of franchises that should've experienced fatigue and haven't. Like someone else said Harry Potter, 8 movies in 10 years and outside of 2 and 3 every one grossed at least $290 million. The Fast and the Furious is another. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is one, we've had what 9 movies (10 in August) associated with that in 7 years and the box office numbers only seem to increase with each individual installment. If anything should be experiencing fatigue it's that franchise. Spider-man is experienced franchise fatigue, the audience is just getting burned and is showing their displeasure with their wallet. Sony need to make two great movies to get the franchise back on track. Like Batman, we had Batman Begins which didn't do incredibly well at the BO, but did earn the audiences trust back and got people excited for the movie, then Dark Knight hit and was massive. X-Men will probably experience the same, it won't be as big as the Dark Knight, but I'm willing to bet it'll be the highest grossing X-Men movie yet.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I know this wasn't directed at me but...

USUAL SUSPECTS

I saw it and thought it was ok, didn't see what the big deal over it was but I think I was spoiled on it since I had seen the countless parodies of it in things like Family Guy and Scary Movie so I wasn't surprised by the twist ending.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I saw it and thought it was ok, didn't see what the big deal over it was but I think I was spoiled on it since I had seen the countless parodies of it in things like Family Guy and Scary Movie so I wasn't surprised by the twist ending.

Fortunately, I saw it without being spoiled. It's one of the movies where the twist ending actually worked and was awesome.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I never saw Jack the Giant Killer because it looked rather dull and boring, but the Singer films I have watched are pretty damn great. Anyone who says that he's a bad director doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

I don't think Singer is a bad director, but I do think he is overrated. Usual Suspects is great. No doubt there, but the rest of his films are fairly average. I haven't seen DoFP yet, but X1 for me is a 3/5 film (WAY overrated) and X2 is either a 3.5/5 or a 4/5 movie (major improvement but not in my CBM elite, and I favor most Marvel Studios films to it...I have many reasons for it...you have to PM me for them). Valkyrie was good not great. Superman Returns I despise with a passion.

I expect to love DoFP, all that said. But, I think Bryan Singer is an overrated director. He isn't in the same club as the elite directors of this generation. His filmography doesn't support it, IMO.

 

[Oscorp]

I know this wasn't directed at me but...

USUAL SUSPECTS

Hey, I welcome it from anyone, thanks!

Usual Suspects (I'm a huge Kevin Spacey fan), Valkyrie, and even though a lot of people hate it and I often make fun of it as well, I actually really like Superman Returns.

I've actually seen Valkyrie (the one with Tom Cruise, right?) and I didn't like it, found it to be extremely boring. I've mostly Heard bad stuff about Superman Returns so I've not bothered to watch that one. But I'll check Usual Suspects out one day, thanks!

 

[Mr.M]

There's been numerous mentions of franchises that should've experienced fatigue and haven't. Like someone else said Harry Potter, 8 movies in 10 years and outside of 2 and 3 every one grossed at least $290 million. The Fast and the Furious is another. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is one, we've had what 9 movies (10 in August) associated with that in 7 years and the box office numbers only seem to increase with each individual installment. If anything should be experiencing fatigue it's that franchise. Spider-man is experienced franchise fatigue, the audience is just getting burned and is showing their displeasure with their wallet. Sony need to make two great movies to get the franchise back on track. Like Batman, we had Batman Begins which didn't do incredibly well at the BO, but did earn the audiences trust back and got people excited for the movie, then Dark Knight hit and was massive. X-Men will probably experience the same, it won't be as big as the Dark Knight, but I'm willing to bet it'll be the highest grossing X-Men movie yet.

Yeah but none of those franchises rebooted (sans Batman after 8 years, being distinct as possible from the last). If it's an ongoing saga and the fans keep liking what they see, they are going to come back. HP5 was a bit of a hiccup but they were able to maintain high quality HP 3-8 for the most part. F&F has been solid for a long time according to its audience.

Spidey rebooted and hasn't picked up its quality from SM3 on. That's a problem.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah but none of those franchises rebooted (sans Batman after 8 years, being distinct as possible from the last). If it's an ongoing saga and the fans keep liking what they see, they are going to come back. HP5 was a bit of a hiccup but they were able to maintain high quality HP 3-8 for the most part. F&F has been solid for a long time according to its audience.

Spidey rebooted and hasn't picked up its quality from SM3 on. That's a problem.

Yeah that was the issue. The audiences didn't want to have to start all over again really.

Fox was smart with x-men, I'm sure they were tempted to reboot the franchise (especially after Origins) and came close with First Class but wisely decided otherwise.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I've actually seen Valkyrie (the one with Tom Cruise, right?) and I didn't like it, found it to be extremely boring. I've mostly Heard bad stuff about Superman Returns so I've not bothered to watch that one. But I'll check Usual Suspects out one day, thanks!

Superman Returns is an acquired taste and I understand why a lot of people don't like it. For me I find it to be a worthy Superman III with a really great cast and an awesome concept. There are a few problems with it such as they casted a Lois Lane who was far too young (Bosworth is great, but a woman in her early 20's should not have been cast as a woman who should have been in her early/mid-30's) and the infamous "WRONG!" scene. But I personally quite enjoyed it overall.

And frankly, I think that for most people who have problems with it, it all comes down to direction. Superman is a very tough character to adapt and no matter what direction you go in, there are going to be a lot of people who are not going to like it because it doesn't line up with how they view Superman. There are people who don't like the Donner Superman or the Snyder Superman or the Smallville Superman. Hell, I think the only version of Superman that has universal praise is the Timm Superman.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So it might drop below a million today. I'm going to be very curious to see if it can do better than Spider-Man 3 this weekend.

 

[hippie_hunter]

As much as it pains me to say this, but we also have to take Blended into account as well this weekend

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Adam Sandler movies don't exist in my world. lol

 

[hippie_hunter]

Adam Sandler movies don't exist in my world. lol

But Blended is going to top Spidey as well along with Godzilla, X-Men, and Neighbors. So apparently it does exist. And because I hate myself, I will most likely endure watching this movie sometime soon.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Adam Sandler movies don't exist in my world. lol

True

 

[Bruce Malone]

But Blended is going to top Spidey as well along with Godzilla, X-Men, and Neighbors. So apparently it does exist. And because I hate myself, I will most likely endure watching this movie sometime soon.

Spidey, neighbors and maybe Godzilla, but DOFP is being pegged to surpass a 100 million opening, no way Blended is gonna get past that by a mile.

 

[samsnee]

Sony's two big mistakes were 1. Doing another origin story for the reboot
2. Reusing Goblin for the sequel

For me, it felt like there was no new ground being treaded.

 

[Iceman]

I don't think Singer is a bad director, but I do think he is overrated. Usual Suspects is great. No doubt there, but the rest of his films are fairly average. I haven't seen DoFP yet, but X1 for me is a 3/5 film (WAY overrated) and X2 is either a 3.5/5 or a 4/5 movie (major improvement but not in my CBM elite, and I favor most Marvel Studios films to it...I have many reasons for it...you have to PM me for them). Valkyrie was good not great. Superman Returns I despise with a passion.

I expect to love DoFP, all that said. But, I think Bryan Singer is an overrated director. He isn't in the same club as the elite directors of this generation. His filmography doesn't support it, IMO.

X1 had a severe budget cut during production and was coming out a time when comic book movies were disgraced. I don't think X1 should be held to the standard of everything that came after as it was operating in a hostile environment, under an ultra-nervous studio and as a result many restrictions. Other films that came after didn't have to face these restrictions as a result of the work he did on X-Men.

That said I don't think Singer is a director in the same league as the very best of his generation, just a great X-film director. He's made 2 X-films without being handcuffed and both of those have been received well by fans, the GA (have to wait a bit to confirm GA for DOPF actually but I'm confident) and critics.

 

[Spider-Fan]

X1 had a severe budget cut during production and was coming out a time when comic book movies were disgraced. I don't think X1 should be held to the standard of everything that came after as it was operating in a hostile environment, under an ultra-nervous studio and as a result many restrictions. Other films that came after didn't have to face these restrictions as a result of the work he did on X-Men.

That said I don't think Singer is a director in the same league as the very best of his generation, just a great X-film director. He's made 2 X-films without being handcuffed and both of those have been received well by fans, the GA (have to wait a bit to confirm GA for DOPF actually but I'm confident) and critics.

X1 had budget constraints, yes. But, the movie is soooooo cookie cutter. The score is bland, the entire style of the movie is bland, everyone on the team outside Wolverine is a paper thin character, etc. These are not all budget problems. Many of these are script problems or things that could have been fixed. Also, several of the issues in X1 exist in X2. But, X2 definitely was an improvement. Plenty I like about it, but even still, I have many issues with it. First Class was honestly first time in the series I felt delivered and made me think now THIS is the X-Men! Hence my hype for DoFP.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Spidey, neighbors and maybe Godzilla, but DOFP is being pegged to surpass a 100 million opening, no way Blended is gonna get past that by a mile.

Of course Blended isn't going to top X-Men. Hell, I'd be surprised to see it top Godzilla. But it's gonna top Spidey.

 

[Atharun]

IMO Sony got these things right -

Cast
Director
Visuals

IMO Sony got these things wrong -

Writers (Orci/Kurtzman)
Forcing Expanded Universe concepts into this movie

Now I don't know how studios normally work but don't most studios have a script/writers in play prior to hiring a director? Looking at their body of work I can honestly say most of the stuff that Orci and Kurtzman have written hasn't been enjoyable to me.

TFormers 1-3
Eagle Eye
Cowboys and Aliens
The Island
Legend of Zoro

These all kinda sucked to me (once again just my opinion)

I didn't mind the Trek films but will admit the fact that neither felt very "beyond" or "Boldly going" as they were very Earth-centric and lacked that pan galactic presence of a Trek' film. I think with a better writer the next film could be spectacular no pun intended, just need a better writer. To me the story/writing is one of the most important parts of a film. if the story (the basis of the project) is poor no amount of effort can hide that. I will admit I loved TASM2 because to me Andrew IS Spider-Man and the visuals were great but the writer could have been more on point.

 

[Iceman]

X1 had budget constraints, yes. But, the movie is soooooo cookie cutter. The score is bland, the entire style of the movie is bland, everyone on the team outside Wolverine is a paper thin character, etc. These are not all budget problems. Many of these are script problems or things that could have been fixed. Also, several of the issues in X1 exist in X2. But, X2 definitely was an improvement. Plenty I like about it, but even still, I have many issues with it. First Class was honestly first time in the series I felt delivered and made me think now THIS is the X-Men! Hence my hype for DoFP.

X1 is weaker than both X2 & FC & (DOFP) for sure. I'm just grateful that it wasn't a mess and was enough of a foundation for the franchise to be built on. And even though there's way too much Wolverine throughout the series in relation to other equally important characters, well at least they did him well. If you liked FC there's a good chance you'll like DOFP as the McAvoy/Fassbender conflict is still central to it. I think most of the good of FC has come across to DOFP.

 

[Iceman]

Of course Blended isn't going to top X-Men. Hell, I'd be surprised to see it top Godzilla. But it's gonna top Spidey.

That would be a box office disaster way worse than anything TASM2 managed. t: