The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[DarthSkywalker]

My basic point is this, build up the other characters of Spidey's universe outside and independent of the ASM movies and then use that excitement to drive ASM.

If Sony are going to use ASM to build more spin off stuff and bog down the ASM movies further they will be driving off the few remining GA that actually come out to watch Spidey. As an outsider looking in, it's like Sony has no sense.

The problem is you are building up villains in their own films. They are not going to excite people about TASM films. It is fundamentally flawed.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Only you, Suzanne, and Hunter, SPIDEY. Though I'd assume C. Lee has a Robert Redford thing going on.

Now I'm going to imagine Robert Redford whenever I read one of his posts.

Did Sony just stop reporting numbers ? We still have nothing for the week end outside of the friday estimate. Seems that they are holding off numbers until they can make a big announcement when it crosses 700M. If this is the case then it's crazy damage control over dissapointing numbers.

Yep I assume it's damage control as well.

 

[spider-neil]

The problem is you are building up villains in their own films. They are not going to excite people about TASM films. It is fundamentally flawed.

Why is it flawed? If you saw a movie about characters you knew were associated with Spider-Man and you enjoyed that movie wouldn't you be excited to see them interact with Spidey. I guess you would counter you'd purely want to see more S6.

 

[Erzengel]

Actuals are in, Spider-Man made $1.9 million this past weekend. With the foreign gross it's at $699 million.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Now I'm going to imagine Robert Redford whenever I read one of his posts.

Then my work is completely.

Why is it flawed? If you saw a movie about characters you knew were associated with Spider-Man and you enjoyed that movie wouldn't you be excited to see them interact with Spidey. I guess you would counter you'd purely want to see more S6.

You keep saying "characters", without acknowledging the huge elephant in the room. These are villains.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I'd say more. Foreign, this movie has a few million left and it will exceed 200 million domestic. So it will have to be over 705. Note that the domestic weekend numbers have not been added yet for TASM2. It is still sitting back at Friday estimates.

Actuals are in, Spider-Man made $1.9 million this past weekend. With the foreign gross it's at $699 million.

Does foreign really have a bit left to reel in? At this rate, (assuming it plays until the end of July) domestic should end up around $204-$205 at the most. Bringing the overall to around $710M ish?

Anybody find it strange that Raimi's SM2 made roughly around $40M less than SM1 overall, and TASM2 might end up doing the same?

 

[spider-neil]

Actuals are in, Spider-Man made $1.9 million this past weekend. With the foreign gross it's at $699 million.

AHHH!! Just one more million.

 

[spider-neil]

Then my work is completely.


You keep saying "characters", without acknowledging the huge elephant in the room. These are villains.

The fact they are villains rather than heroes is a plus to me because we've never see a team up villain movie before (does Magnifcent Seven count?).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The fact they are villains rather than heroes is a plus to me because we've never see a team up villain movie before (does Magnifcent Seven count?).

You think that is going to appeal to general audiences? No one to root for. We already know some of these characters, and they already didn't appeal to general audiences.

 

[Erzengel]

Does foreign really have a bit left to reel in? At this rate, (assuming it plays until the end of July) domestic should end up around $204-$205 at the most. Bringing the overall to around $710M ish?

Anybody find it strange that Raimi's SM2 made roughly around $40M less than SM1 overall, and TASM2 might end up doing the same?

If you compare TASM 2 to Thor: Dark World which grossed $206 million, it's already almost $2 million behind it when you compare their daily box office grosses. Based on having lesser dailies than Thor: Dark World, TASM 2 should finish at about $203 million domestically.

Worldwide right now it's looking about $706.

In comparison to Rami's SM 1 and 2. They were better rated and making around $800 over 10 years ago is more impressive than making over $700 today.

AHHH!! Just one more million.

Actually less than $1, and probably by Wednesday's gross.

What's even sadder is that it probably won't make $200 million domestically until after next weekend, probably by the following weekend after 51 days at the BO.

 

[spider-neil]

You think that is going to appeal to general audiences? No one to root for. We already know some of these characters, and they already didn't appeal to general audiences.

As I said in the S6 thread, you can have the conflict of a power struggle and one of the villains can be conflicted. If Goddard didn't think it could work I doubt he would have taken the gig.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Actuals are in, Spider-Man made $1.9 million this past weekend. With the foreign gross it's at $699 million.

Yeah I just checked and saw the numbers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As I said in the S6 thread, you can have the conflict of a power struggle and one of the villains can be conflicted. If Goddard didn't think it could work I doubt he would have taken the gig.

You could say the same about any film. Heck, just look at Webb and his TASM series.

 

[spider-neil]

If you compare TASM 2 to Thor: Dark World which grossed $206 million, it's already almost $2 million behind it when you compare their daily box office grosses. Based on having lesser dailies than Thor: Dark World, TASM 2 should finish at about $203 million domestically.

Worldwide right now it's looking about $706.

In comparison to Rami's SM 1 and 2. They were better rated and making around $800 over 10 years ago is more impressive than making over $700 today.


Actually less than $1, and probably by Wednesday's gross.

What's even sadder is that it probably won't make $200 million domestically until after next weekend, probably by the following weekend after 51 days at the BO.

Raimi was first out of the blocks and had the novelty value on his side. Sam can take credit for SM2 and 3 but any Spider-Man movie in 2002 would have made money. The proof of the pudding will be the returns of a rebooted Iron Man to compare and contrast.

 

[MrMaooz]

I guess Sony's glad they have James Bond. Who knows, they might also make another Men in Black.

 

[Erzengel]

Marvel has options. They could continue with Avengers 4 or even an Iron Man 4 without having to do a reboot Iron Man even with a new actor.

 

[spider-neil]

Have bond turn up in ASM3

 

[spider-neil]

Marvel has options. They could continue with Avengers 4 or even an Iron Man 4 without having to do a reboot Iron Man even with a new actor.

I think even a new actor would hurt the Iron Man franchise. RDJ 'IS' Iron Man.
Avengers would pull up any slack though.

 

[spider-neil]

Basically the landscape has changed around Spidey and he has been (relatively) left behind. People can poo poo Sony's attempts to expand the universe but they have to try 'sometime' because they don't have the easy fix of MoS by just plonking Batman in movie.

 

[Erzengel]

By the end of Avengers 3 in 2018-2019, RDJ will have appeared as Iron Man for 10 years across 6 films, if you don't include the cameos in Incredible Hulk. 10 years is a long time and even he's admitted to Avengers 3 being his last one and being too old. Regardless 10 years for a franchise is pretty good.

This is also a luxury Marvel has over Spider-Man while it had to reboot after only 5 years on the shelf.

I have no problems with Sony attempting to "franchise" it's product. However, make them quality. Every Studio is in it to make money, but they shouldn't hand out something that's subpar.

 

[spider-neil]

By the end of Avengers 3 in 2018-2019, RDJ will have appeared as Iron Man for 10 years across 6 films, if you don't include the cameos in Incredible Hulk. 10 years is a long time and even he's admitted to Avengers 3 being his last one and being too old. Regardless 10 years for a franchise is pretty good.

This is also a luxury Marvel has over Spider-Man while it had to reboot after only 5 years on the shelf.

I have no problems with Sony attempting to "franchise" it's product. However, make them quality. Every Studio is in it to make money, but they shouldn't hand out something that's subpar.

We'll wait and see how the spin off turn out. As for the ASM movies, I like them but it's plain to see that the GA are getting tired of them.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The fact they are villains rather than heroes is a plus to me because we've never see a team up villain movie before (does Magnifcent Seven count?).

No. Eli Wallach is the villain. That's established in the very first scene of the movie.

 

[Eddie]

I guess Sony's glad they have James Bond. Who knows, they might also make another Men in Black.

That reminds me of a thought that occurred to me the other day. Technically Men In Black is a Marvel property, by way of the Malibu acquisition. If any sort of Marvel/Sony deal were to happen, whether it involves Spidey going back to Marvel outright or a crossover, maybe that could be part of the trade. Marvel's never really done anything significant with Men in Black. Perhaps they could trade the rights to Sony outright. Sony's talked about doing a Men in Black reboot before, and it could actually be a pretty big earner if they owned it outright. They could theoretically do anything from tie-in comics and novels to all the merchandise Target and Wal-Mart could handle.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Basically the landscape has changed around Spidey and he has been (relatively) left behind. People can poo poo Sony's attempts to expand the universe but they have to try 'sometime' because they don't have the easy fix of MoS by just plonking Batman in movie.

We'll wait and see how the spin off turn out. As for the ASM movies, I like them but it's plain to see that the GA are getting tired of them.

I'm not sure if they're tired of the character or just see this is not a good representation of the character. The way they did the reboot was awful, they shouldn't have redone the origin story. Just start off with Peter as Spidey. You can get away with rebooting with an origin story with James Bond, Batman, even Planet of the Apes because the origin story was never told. Spidey's origin story was told 10 years earlier. They started the second franchise off on the wrong foot, plain and simple, give the audience something new and they'll come back.

 

[rayc1971]

i don't see how this is a success if it hits 200mill domestic and 700mill wordwide when it costs more than the first movie and made much less.