The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

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I think it made a fair chunk more though didn't it?

Fact of the matter is, no real positive way to spin the numbers. Sony openly claimed they wanted a billion, Campea came out and said it would do for Spiderman what TDK did for Batman, it didn't do that.

It will not be a success in sony's eyes, they're toeing the line to it being acceptable, dissapointing and a disaster.

Marvel Studios, on the other hand, would be very happy with how TWS went in the BO

There is no question Sony will be disappointed but the movie isn't a disaster either. The big difference this movie and MoS/WS is Cap 3 well get another Avengers boost and MoS will recieve a Batman boost and ASM3 will have neither of those. So Cap and Superman will see inceases in thei next movies but Spider-Man (unless something happens) will see more decline.
 
Has this been pulled from US cinemas? There are no weekend numbers after Friday?
 
Has this been pulled from US cinemas? There are no weekend numbers after Friday?

I don't think so the movie has been out for about 6 weeks and I think some theaters keep the movie for like 14 weeks. The theaters where I live stoped showing it around a week ago and I think the weekend numbers just havnt been added yet I don't think the movie is going to make much more. Captain America came out around a month before this movie and I gusse still has some theaters showing it. 14 weeks sounds like a long time to me though has normaly movies are in theaters for 6 maybe 7 weeks where I live. Frozzen was like 4 months so like 18 weeks but that was by far the longest I have heard a movie playing around where I live and I was shocked by that.
 
Very few are going to have TASM2 in theater past this weekend. It is going to be in the dollar shows and such.

There is no question Sony will be disappointed but the movie isn't a disaster either. The big difference this movie and MoS/WS is Cap 3 well get another Avengers boost and MoS will recieve a Batman boost and ASM3 will have neither of those. So Cap and Superman will see inceases in thei next movies but Spider-Man (unless something happens) will see more decline.
spider-neil, I'd call it a small disaster at least. The serve drop in the domestic and overall box office on such an expensive film is a pretty disastrous, especially when you consider it is China, who they don't make a good margin on, that is going to get the movie to $700m. Theoretically, when you consider marketing, overall box office and margins int account, this movie might be well over $130m less profitable then TASM.
 
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Yeah, hard to see what they can realistically do to get people interested in the franchise again, not looking flash for spiderman at the moment, quite sad.
 
Very few are going to have TASM2 in theater past this weekend. It is going to be in the dollar shows and such.


spider-neil, I'd call it a small disaster at least. The serve drop in the domestic and overall box office on such an expensive film is a pretty disastrous, especially when you consider it is China, who they don't make a good margin on, that is going to get the movie to $700m. Theoretically, when you consider marketing, overall box office and margins int account, this movie might be well over $130m less profitable then TASM.

A disaster is them make a huge loss. They will make their money back even if they have to wait from residuals from TV (they'll make their money back well before then) the question is how they proceed from here? Do they spend less money on the sequel? Do they aggressively expend the Spider-Man universe in the hopes it brings in a new crowd to fill the void of the general audience that are done with the franchise?
 
Very few are going to have TASM2 in theater past this weekend. It is going to be in the dollar shows and such.


spider-neil, I'd call it a small disaster at least. The serve drop in the domestic and overall box office on such an expensive film is a pretty disastrous, especially when you consider it is China, who they don't make a good margin on, that is going to get the movie to $700m. Theoretically, when you consider marketing, overall box office and margins int account, this movie might be well over $130m less profitable then TASM.

This movie is hardly a disaster. Look at Pacific Rim, a sequel was just greenlit. It's production budget was $190 million vs. TASM2 $255 million.

It only made $101.8 domestic and $309 overseas for a $411 million total, $111 million of which was from China (more than TASM2).

According to how your treating TASM2, Pacific Rim this was a way worse "disaster" financially and would have lost money (which I doubt it did). Yet it is enough for the studio to go for a sequel. As if there is any doubt about TASM. Just looking at past Spidey films, yes the box office has declined, but compared to other films, the franchise is still doing exceedly well, enough so that they would be crazy not to continue on confidently. There is plenty of wiggle room to adjust budgets and reignite domestic box office with a shared universe approach so Sony really has nothing to panic over.
 
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This thread is about TASM2 BO not wether or not Pacific Rim is a financial success or a freakin' disaster. This way of bringing unrelated films in the mix to prop up TASM2's numbers is really getting tiresome.

BTW Pacific Rim 2 does not have a green light yet. At the moment it's just Del Toro working on the script which means nothing given the amount of projects he works on that will never see the light of day.

The simple fact of steep BO decline coupled with the insane increase of production and P&A budgets is a reason to panic over. The amount of money made on markets where the studio will only get of a fraction of the gross is another along with the fact that they are not making any money off merchandising anymore. The financial foundations of the franchise are breaking down due to the ever-growing amount they need to invest on it and the declining returns they get.
 
Well, I think when someone says that it's a disaster, others have the right to try and put it into the context of other films.

People have no qualms with bringing up how much better Cap 2 did, but the other side of the spectrum is unacceptable? Seems like we've got a little double standard to me.
 
A disaster is them make a huge loss. They will make their money back even if they have to wait from residuals from TV (they'll make their money back well before then) the question is how they proceed from here? Do they spend less money on the sequel? Do they aggressively expend the Spider-Man universe in the hopes it brings in a new crowd to fill the void of the general audience that are done with the franchise?
I would argue they aren't making money on this film. Not with the much higher cost, very low domestic total and a large portion of the overall boxoffice coming from China.

Lets be conservative and say they only need to cover $500m in terms of budget, marketing, licensing, and distribution. Lets say I am giving them credit for $100m in corporate partners. So then they need to make $400m.

The film is going to end up around $200m domestically, and they get about half of that, so $100m.

China, the split is between 25% and 30%, so say I give you the higher amount. The film is going to end around $100m there, so that is another $30m.

The rest of OS can be all over the place, though clearly less then domestic, but lets say a split of 45% to give it the best possible chance. The film is going end up around $420m everywhere other then China. That is another $190m.

So best case, using these numbers, we are talking around what, $320m in box office? Unless they somehow produce the home media for free and sell more then TASM, neither of which will happen, I just don't see it.

This movie is hardly a disaster. Look at Pacific Rim, a sequel was just greenlit. It's production budget was $190 million vs. TASM2 $255 million.

It only made $101.8 domestic and $309 overseas for a $411 million total, $111 million of which was from China (more than TASM2).

According to how your treating TASM2, Pacific Rim this was a way worse "disaster" financially and would have lost money (which I doubt it did). Yet it is enough for the studio to go for a sequel. As if there is any doubt about TASM. Just looking at past Spidey films, yes the box office has declined, but compared to other films, the franchise is still doing exceedly well, enough so that they would be crazy not to continue on confidently. There is plenty of wiggle room to adjust budgets and reignite domestic box office with a shared universe approach so Sony really has nothing to panic over.
I'd love a PR 2. I loved the first film and am a big GDT fan, but that is still all smoke right now. Pacific Rim lost money, a good chunk of money. Though what saved PR from being a huge disaster was WB cutting the marketing budget substantially before release. They apparently used less then a third of the original marketing budget. That cut the spending significantly. Still, it lost a lot of money for Legendary and WB. The sequel might happen for the same reason the Hellboy sequel happened, hoping for a boost after the first film being well received.

And no, it is not doing exceedingly well. The Hunger Games, the Avengers, Despicable Me, those are franchises doing exceedingly well.
 
Yup.

Whether I'm a fan of the Webb franchise or not, is irrelevant. The Spidey movies are going downhill in terms of box office. They're simple numbers, thus facts.
 
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I know the idea that this film will only make about $320m off a $720m box office run (and it won't actually get that high, more like $710m in the best case) seems incredibly low, but this is exactly why domestic box office is such a big deal. The margins are so much better, especially when you look at China. I never understand why people get excited over the Chinese box office. The Chinese box office is gravy. The stuff that makes a huge success like IM3 look even better.
 
Yeah.

Is it true that ASM2 made unusually much overseas? I've heard some people saying that.
 
Yeah.

Is it true that ASM2 made unusually much overseas? I've heard some people saying that.
It has done very well OS. The problem is that the OS numbers make up way too much of the overall box office here.
 
I see.

Seems like the US must be suffering from som kind of Spidey fatigue or something.
 
Sigh of relief when it crosses the 700M WW mark. Still going to be roughly 50M less than the first, but better than being in the 600's.
 
I think it's simply the GA not being as into this version of Spidey as prior depictions.
 
I think it's simply the GA not being as into this version of Spidey as prior depictions.
I think that is a given, the question really is why. Is it because it has already been done, is it because these films aren't "good", because their are more options now, or perhaps a combination of those and other factors.
 
I'd say it's a combination of it being a reboot franchise + the many other options out there, now.
 
Well, I think when someone says that it's a disaster, others have the right to try and put it into the context of other films.

People have no qualms with bringing up how much better Cap 2 did, but the other side of the spectrum is unacceptable? Seems like we've got a little double standard to me.

How could the Pacific Rim comparisions be any less relevant ? Seriously ?
It is an original sci-fi film, not the 2nd film in its series or the 5th film in a cbm franchise. It didn't feature one of the most iconic character in pop culture history and it didn't cost upwards of 250M to produce.

It would be like saying that TASM2 is a success because it made more money than Manhattan. Where do you go from that ? Nowhere.

Other movies with dissapointing BO that ended up not breaking even do not make TASM2 numbers any less than a sheer disappointment. And I really can't believe how hard it is for some people to cope with reality on that matter.
 
So it's okay for people to bring up other movies as a stick to beat ASM2 but it's not okay to bring up movies as a defence for ASM2? Have I got that right?
 
And it not being as good?

DoFP and WS (regardless of profit margin) are also around the 700m mark, thus similar numbers of bums on seats. So there is more going on than perceived lack of quality as both of those movies were critically well received.
 
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