The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[JKKS085]

But that would be Sony's smartest move yet regarding this franchise.
I really hope it is true. TASM3 will be annihilated if they keep the june 2016 release.

They need time to turn things around (are at least try to turn them around) and build anticipation.
This would be a win win situation for everyone

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The report is a rumor right now but nobody should be surprised if Sony confirms.

I agree that June of 2016 would be a disastrous date for this slowly sinking franchise.

 

[JKKS085]

Yeah with Captain America 3, Batman v Superman, X-Men Apocalypse, How To Train Your Dragon 3 and Finding Dory around there's no scenario where it ends well for TASM3.

Sony needs to be very careful with that release date though because with the usual Marvel release in May and possibly WB's Justice League, 2017 could be risky as well.

 

[SpideyK]

They need time to turn things around (are at least try to turn them around) and build anticipation.

That. Exactly that.

Sony needs to realize that two years simply isn't always enough time for people to get excited for the next movie, and especially if it's a reboot franchise.

Also, they need to stop releasing half the ****ing movie in the trailers.

 

[Spider-knight]

Yeah with Captain America 3, Batman v Superman, X-Men Apocalypse, How To Train Your Dragon 3 and Finding Dory around there's no scenario where it ends well for TASM3.

Sony needs to be very careful with that release date though because with the usual Marvel release in May and possibly WB's Justice League, 2017 could be risky as well.

that's right. and more importantly sony needs to make this franchise good as in well written scripts, great writers like say the guys who brought us breaking bad, days of future past, and even winter soldier, give creators the chance to do what they want inorder to make their films good if not great, some great character developments, well written villains, peter parker showing us how smart he is by showing us how he invents his things and not make any stupid things like not knowing what batteries nor magnets are, some epic and long fight scenes, and be careful not to over market it. THAT IS WHAT WE ALL WANT! please make this franchise a success critically.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah with Captain America 3, Batman v Superman, X-Men Apocalypse, How To Train Your Dragon 3 and Finding Dory around there's no scenario where it ends well for TASM3.

Sony needs to be very careful with that release date though because with the usual Marvel release in May and possibly WB's Justice League, 2017 could be risky as well.

Yep even 2017 could be a minefield as well. They need to find an interesting and appealing angle that can compete with Marvel especially, and DC if BvS is a huge hit. Just shoving in more villains won't do the trick.

I agree with you guys complaining about the obnoxious omnipresent marketing. Sony needs to chill out and spend the usual 100mil studios spend and just focus on a targeted and smart advertising campaign.

 

[JKKS085]

that's right. and more importantly sony needs to make this franchise good as in well written scripts, great writers like say the guys who brought us breaking bad, days of future past, and even winter soldier, give creators the chance to do what they want inorder to make their films good if not great, some great character developments, well written villains, peter parker showing us how smart he is by showing us how he invents his things and not make any stupid things like not knowing what batteries nor magnets are, some epic and long fight scenes, and be careful not to over market it. THAT IS WHAT WE ALL WANT! please make this franchise a success critically.

But can they really do this given how things were set in motions in TASM2 ? That is the big question. Because honestly, I don't think the best writer could all of suden make, lets say The Rhino, a compelling vilain. Even Harry's Goblin would be a real pain to flesh out in the next film. And if the plan is to keep on going with the Sinister Six nonsense with even more vilains and new characters put in the mix then I think the film is doomed from the start unless it's penned by the new William Shakespeare (or his ghost writer ). Plain and simple.

They need to find a way to distant TASM3 from the mess they started with TASM2. Maybe they can play the flashforward card and have Peter about to graduate from college to change the perspective on the story and on the characters and introduce one non-Oscorp related vilain that reflects the themes of the story (and not random vilains that just look "cool").

Make the film about Peter, not about his relationships (like the first 2 films in the series) or his opponents (which is the route they seem to be taking), but the man himself. Go the Skyfall route god dammit ! Is it really that complicated ?

And on a strict business perspective the S6 just don't make sense anymore. How would you justify putting even more money to produce the next film while the franchise is plummeting ? If they spent 255M for 3 vilains in TASM2 odds are they are not going to spend less on a 6 vilains sequel. Even if they cut back on marketing that won't be enough to make the next film even remotely profitable in theaters with another probable drop in BO earnings.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

But that would be Sony's smartest move yet regarding this franchise.
I really hope it is true. TASM3 will be annihilated if they keep the june 2016 release.

They need time to turn things around (are at least try to turn them around) and build anticipation.
This would be a win win situation for everyone

a win win situation for me is having spiderman in the mcu.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If they do move the film to 2017, they should dump Webb. The main (perhaps only) reason to keep him was because a two year turnaround time would have been tough on a new director.

 

[spider-neil]

For me, complaining about Sony trailers that give too much information is like kids complaining to their parents they felt ill after too many cookies when the parents left the cookie jar on the top shelf. Since 2002 Sony's trailers have revealed the entire plot, so why bother watch the trailers? Sony put too much info in their trailers, ALL of their trailers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Kind of difficult to avoid them when you are sitting in the theater.

 

[spider-neil]

If they do move the film to 2017, they should dump Webb. The main (perhaps only) reason to keep him was because a two year turnaround time would have been tough on a new director.

Not going to happen. Sony made a frankly ridiculous deal with Fox (X-Men mid credits) to keep Webb. They aren't going to dump him now.
Also unless it is an A list director, I don't see the point of getting rid and I don't see an A list director coming into franchise 2 movies in. And before someone says Fincher on Alien 3, he wasn't A list at the time.

 

[spider-neil]

Kind of difficult to avoid them when you are sitting in the theater.

Close your eyes

 

[Spider-knight]

But can they really do this given how things were set in motions in TASM2 ? That is the big question. Because honestly, I don't think the best writer could all of suden make, lets say The Rhino, a compelling vilain. Even Harry's Goblin would be a real pain to flesh out in the next film. And if the plan is to keep on going with the Sinister Six nonsense with even more vilains and new characters put in the mix then I think the film is doomed from the start unless it's penned by the new William Shakespeare (or his ghost writer ). Plain and simple.

They need to find a way to distant TASM3 from the mess they started with TASM2. Maybe they can play the flashforward card and have Peter about to graduate from college to change the perspective on the story and on the characters and introduce one non-Oscorp related vilain that reflects the themes of the story (and not random vilains that just look "cool").

Make the film about Peter, not about his relationships (like the first 2 films in the series) or his opponents (which is the route they seem to be taking), but the man himself. Go the Skyfall route god dammit ! Is it really that complicated ?

And on a strict business perspective the S6 just don't make sense anymore. How would you justify putting even more money to produce the next film while the franchise is plummeting ? If they spent 255M for 3 vilains in TASM2 odds are they are not going to spend less on a 6 vilains sequel. Even if they cut back on marketing that won't be enough to make the next film even remotely profitable in theaters with another probable drop in BO earnings.

the next film will be about peter parker's "road to recovery" and mj will be introduced hopefully being carefully to cast who it is ever since the shailine woodley incident. i know rhino isn't that much of a complelling villain but what i want in the amazing spiderman 3 is for either mysterio or kraven as the next villain to fit into the story.

i know that in the comics despite peter making jokes and fighting crime he is still hungover on uncle ben and gwen stacey but any ideas how they'll address it in this film.

OH! and i want uncle ben to be involved as well into the story. originally in the second movie he was suppose to play a key role but thanks to sony's bad editing uncle ben was rarely important

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I see the need to complain about the marketing so I'm going to continue complaining about it. Feel free to skip my marketing complaint posts.

 

[spider-neil]

Just because ASM2 cost 255m (and it might not have) there is no reason S6 has to cost as much. For a start, there is no need to shoot in NY. They can go with locations rather than sets. They can go practical effects and keep CG to a minimum. Hire young but talented up and comers for key roles. Goddard directed Cabin in the Wood on a shoe string which is another reason Sony may have hired him.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah and Warner Brothers can just make Justice League on a 150million dollar budget...not going to happen. Don't be naive, Sony couldn't even keep TASM budget from exploding what chance does a Sinister Six movie have of not having at least a 250mil budget. Sony has already shown that they don't know how to not meddle or spend extra money.

 

[spider-neil]

Yeah and Warner Brothers can just make Justice League on a 150million dollar budget...not going to happen. Don't be naive, Sony couldn't even keep TASM budget from exploding what chance does a Sinister Six movie have of not having at least a 250mil budget. Sony has already shown that they don't know how to not meddle or spend extra money.

ASM2 had 3 villains, therefore, S6 with 6 villains is automatically going to cost more? Is that how it works?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

ASM2 had 3 villains, therefore, S6 with 6 villains is automatically going to cost more? Is that how it works?

Yes because visual effects cost lots of money, I believe an SS film would need even more visual effects than TASM 2.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Who gets the bulk of the money from home entertainment sales? (DVDs, blue rays ect...)

 

[spider-neil]

Sony knows a S6 movie without Spidey isn't going to bring in huge numbers and will budget accordingly. I think this movie will pull in between 400-450 and Sony will give the movie a budget that reflects that kind of a return. Bear in mind Sony other release this year (Robocop) did 250m WW so I think a 400m return on S6 would be a success.

 

[spider-neil]

Yes because visual effects cost lots of money, I believe an SS film would need even more visual effects than TASM 2.

Effects cost a lot of money but they can be managed and a lot of shots can be done 'in camera'. Spider-Man is of on the most complex characters to realise in CG and he wont be in the movie. Also bear in mind the movie is shot in NY probably the most expensive filming city on the planet.

Sony obviously aren't bothered as they are pushing ahead.

 

[JKKS085]

I think most people here acknowledge the fact that a Sinister Six film is not going to happen anytime soon (and surely not before TASM3). I for one would be genuinely surprised if it did. Anyways, the discussion and the subject that really matters is not about how a 6 vilains film is or is not going to be more expensive than a Spider-Man film, the discussion is wether or not a Spider-Man film featuring the Sinister Six as the vilains would be more expensive than TASM2.

With vilains requiring extensive CGI work such as Green Goblin, Vulture and Doc Ock, with Rhino being a full CGI character, that leaves what ? Chameleon and Kraven as lower profile/ less expensive vilains. You really think that this roster is going to cost less to put on film than Electro, 5 minutes of Goblin and 2 minutes of Rhino in TASM2 ?

I don't know if it was with you specifically but there has been a long-standing debate on the subject before and after TASM's release when we realized the budget went out of hand with SM3 and then with TASM and now again with TASM2. Sony is NOT going to suddenly change ways and go the practical route with the character or his vilains. This is not happening. It didn't happen after SM3 or TASM and it's not gonna happen after TASM2.

 

[spider-neil]

I think most people here acknowledge the fact that a Sinister Six film is not going to happen anytime soon (and surely not before TASM3). I for one would be genuinely surprised if it did. Anyways, the discussion and the subject that really matters is not about how a 6 vilains film is or is not going to be more expensive than a Spider-Man film, the discussion is wether or not a Spider-Man film featuring the Sinister Six as the vilains would be more expensive than TASM2.

With vilains requiring extensive CGI work such as Green Goblin, Vulture and Doc Ock, with Rhino being a full CGI character, that leaves what ? Chameleon and Kraven as lower profile/ less expensive vilains. You really think that this roster is going to cost less to put on film than Electro, 5 minutes of Goblin and 2 minutes of Rhino in TASM2 ?

I don't know if it was with you specifically but there has been a long-standing debate on the subject before and after TASM's release when we realized the budget went out of hand with SM3 and then with TASM and now again with TASM2. Sony is NOT going to suddenly change ways and go the practical route with the character or his vilains. This is not happening. It didn't happen after SM3 or TASM and it's not gonna happen after TASM2.

As I said before, maybe Goddard was brought in because he has already brought in an impressive looking movie on a shoe string. And CitW had a SEA of creatures and effects.

 

[chaseter]

Sony knows a S6 movie without Spidey isn't going to bring in huge numbers and will budget accordingly. I think this movie will pull in between 400-450 and Sony will give the movie a budget that reflects that kind of a return. Bear in mind Sony other release this year (Robocop) did 250m WW so I think a 400m return on S6 would be a success.

Robocop flatlined so there's that. It made $58 million domestic. It made $250 million WW on a $100 million budget not counting marketing. Why do some of you ignore costs?

How about that Robocop 2 announcement? Oh yeah there isn't one.