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The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

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Rhino was never easy villain. Spiderman for sure can have problems with him when he is in his mode, but what Spiderman always does is piss of Rhino and lead him into trap of his own. Rhino's hot head always cost him to lose battle against Spider-man and this is why you think he is easy villain.
 
Villain was basically the same as GG in SM1

Other than the split personality, not really. Green Goblin's story was completely irrelevant to the origin of Spider-Man, where in TASM, Lizard does tie in with the whole theme of cross-species genetics. Aside from that, they are still very different.

webshooters added nothing to the story, he didn't run out apart from the Lizard destroying them :/(so they're irrelevant).

The webshooters are in no way irrelevant. They weren't explored as much as we would have liked, but they are there, and have been introduced in this new film universe, and we have three more films to explore the webshooters.

Spider Man cracked jokes in the Raimi movies

He cracked maybe a couple of jokes in the Raimi films, and at other times, Spider-Man was always silent. Well, maybe he made a few grunting sounds when he was getting beat up.

Gwen was in SM3 -_-

Gwen was a throwaway character in SM3. She was a plot device used to get MJ jealous.

less cheesy??? (see crane scene, or the scene Peter does a handstand on top of a skyscrapper and falls off in broad daylight).

It has its cheasy moments, but its definitely less cheesy than the Raimi films. No Emo Peter dancing down the street, no Doc Ock yelling "NOOOOOOOO!" with his tentacles, no hokey dialogue.

Captain Stacy was also in SM3.

Like Gwen, he was a throwaway character. And he added next to nothing to the plot.

So yeah, you could have just said Peter's parents are the new characters but that went nowhere :/

Once again, the parents storyline has been introduced, and will be expanded upon in the next few films.
 
Villain was basically the same as GG in SM1

I'll give you that, I've always thought of The Lizard as Marvel's Wolfman. Not Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, who I believe is The Green Goblin for Marvel.

webshooters added nothing to the story

They showed off Peter's intellect, which wasn't in featured much in Raimi's trilogy.

Spider Man cracked jokes in the Raimi movies

Spider-Man, for the most part, was still Peter Parker in the suit. There was hardly any confidence, and little to no quippage. Aside from these:

"Here's your change!"
"It's you who's out Gobby, out of your mind. :facepalm:
"That's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?"

"Hey kiddo, let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?"

So there, four wisecracks over the span of three movies. Genius!

Gwen was in SM3 -_-

Gwen was shoehorned in and added no purpose to the story besides getting Mary Jane mad at Peter.

less cheesy??? (see crane scene, or the scene Peter does a handstand on top of a skyscrapper and falls off in broad daylight).

The Crane Scene was fine, and it was nothing compared to Raimi's entire trilogy.

The skyscraper was fine, also. It showed off Peter testing his new abilities and "live in the moment" attitude. About it being broad daylight, he was falling so fast that nobody would recognize him. Plus, this was before he suited up.

Captain Stacy was also in SM3.

Like Gwen, he was shoehorned and useless. His only motive was to tell Peter that Sandman was the true killer of his Uncle, and that's it.

So yeah, you could have just said Peter's parents are the new characters but that went nowhere :/

Webb stated he was introducing them in the first movie, and the mystery is to be explored over the series. So again, get your facts straight before you jump to weird conclusions.
 
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Villain was basically the same as GG in SM1, webshooters added nothing to the story, he didn't run out apart from the Lizard destroying them :/(so they're irrelevant).
Spider Man cracked jokes in the Raimi movies, Gwen was in SM3 -_- , less cheesy??? (see crane scene, or the scene Peter does a handstand on top of a skyscrapper and falls off in broad daylight).Captain Stacy was also in SM3. So yeah, you could have just said Peter's parents are the new characters but that went nowhere :/

The Lizard is the same as GG now? Because they both are mentors to Parker? They have totally different powers and goals.

Webshooters show that Parker contributes something scientific to being Spider-man which means him being a nerd is essential to being a superhero. Plus now Spider-man can alter his web formula to fight villains. This offers dozens of storytelling opportunities.

Out of three movies Spider-man might've said five. Terrible for a superher known for wise cracks. Plus most were terrible. "You're out Gobby, out of your mind".

ASM has a couple of cheesy scenes but the Raimi movies are filled to the brim with bad, self-aware acting and awkward/wtf moments (cookie girl/jazz scene/elevator scene).

I wouldn't say ASM has different characters but the characterizations are wildly different with many characters far more layered or real than The Raimi trilogy. Plus Peter Parker in ASM is much more like the Peter Parker from the last 35 years.
 
I want 90's Spider-Man quips. Those were golden. CDB had a way with saying those.
 
2. They showed off Peter's intellect, which wasn't in featured much in Raimi's trilogy.

To what end though? It defeats the purpose when the character does other things like leaving his name on his camera for the villain to find, giving the secret formula away that his father hid for a reason or jumping off said skyscraper.


3. Spider-Man, for the most part, was still Peter Parker in the suit. There was hardly any confidence, and little to no quippage. Aside from these:

"Here's your change!"
"It's you who's out Gobby, out of your mind. :facepalm:
"That's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?"

"Hey kiddo, let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?"

So there, four wisecracks over the span of three movies. Genius!

There were more than that in all three movies, but it's easier to make your point when you omit information.

But still, Spidey was a bit too silent in the Raimi films (never bothered me), but a bit too chatty in TASM- at points when it seemed inappropriate (searching for his Uncle's killer. wtf?).

The "Someone's been a bad Lizard" made me want to throw my drink at the theater screen.


5. The Crane Scene was fine, and it was subtle cheese at most compared to Raimi's entire trilogy.

Subtle? I think not. The crane scene was right up there with the bridge and train sequence from the Raimi films (if not a little more wtf). Don't try to justify it, just accept it. Cheese and camp aren't always bad.


6. The skyscraper was fine, also. It showed off Peter testing his new abilities and "live in the moment" attitude. About it being broad daylight, he was falling so fast that nobody would recognize him. Plus, this was before he suited up.

The skyscraper handstand and jump were fine, if a little abrupt and inexplicable. Brought back memories of Peter learning to swing in SM1. There are about a million ways to show Peter experimenting with his webshooters and they chose that :huh:
 
It's bad enough Spidey has to battle with Batfans and Superfans... Now we have to fight against ourselves... Stupid.
 
I'll give you that, I've always thought of The Lizard as Marvel's Wolfman. Not Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, who I believe is The Green Goblin for Marvel.




They showed off Peter's intellect, which wasn't in featured much in Raimi's trilogy.


Agreed but Peter ordered the webfluid from Oscorp, didn't invent it himself:dry:

3. Spider-Man, for the most part, was still Peter Parker in the suit. There was hardly any confidence, and little to no quippage. Aside from these:

"Here's your change!"
"It's you who's out Gobby, out of your mind. :facepalm:
"That's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?"

"Hey kiddo, let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?"
So there, four wisecracks over the span of three movies. Genius!

"I guess you haven't heard, I'm the sherrif around these parts"
I agree but Spidey can't be quipping all the time, sometimes it becomes annoying (see car thief scene, it was funny but went on for too long).

4. Gwen was shoehorned in and added no purpose to the story besides getting Mary Jane mad at Peter.

I was contradicting that guy's statement that there were new characters added in TASM

5. The Crane Scene was fine, and it was subtle cheese at most compared to Raimi's entire trilogy.

I'm sorry, Spidey gets shot and he needs cranes to swing across??? He swings using his hands not his legs. That scene was cheesy, don't deny it.

6. The skyscraper was fine, also. It showed off Peter testing his new abilities and "live in the moment" attitude. About it being broad daylight, he was falling so fast that nobody would recognize him. Plus, this was before he suited up.


It was a cheesy way of Peter testing his webshooters. There are other ways he could have done this :dry:
7 See #4 (he, like Gwen, was USELESS).

See what I said about contadicting that Guy's statement.


I wanna make it clear, I liked TASM . The movie could have been better, but once again SONY stepped in and meddled with the film and we ended up getting a re-hash of SM1. That's why I'm optimistic about the sequel and the fact that those hacks, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman wrote it :cmad:
 
It's bad enough Spidey has to battle with Batfans and Superfans... Now we have to fight against ourselves... Stupid.
Agreed but why bother wasting energy when you give good counter points they continue its like an uphill battle
 
Agreed but why bother wasting energy when you give good counter points they continue its like an uphill battle

:up:

I wanna make it clear, I liked TASM . The movie could have been better, but once again SONY stepped in and meddled with the film and we ended up getting a re-hash of SM1. That's why I'm optimistic about the sequel and the fact that those hacks, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman wrote it :cmad:

Really? Go watch Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness. ;)
 
To what end though? It defeats the purpose when the character does other things like leaving his name on his camera for the villain to find, giving the secret formula away that his father hid for a reason or jumping off said skyscraper.

Again, I'd rather have them attempt to show his intellect (which they did, despite the other flaws you brought up) then just say he's a genius and try to get us, the viewer, to believe it.

There were more than that in all three movies, but it's easier to make your point when you omit information.

Care to share? I only remember those four off the top of my head.

But still, Spidey was a bit too silent in the Raimi films (never bothered me), but a bit too chatty in TASM- at points when it seemed inappropriate (searching for his Uncle's killer. wtf?).

He's always been chatty, the moment he finally shuts up is the moment you know he's in danger. That's what I like about the character, so it's pretty much apples and oranges. :yay:

The "Someone's been a bad Lizard" made me want to throw my drink at the theater screen.

Again, apples and oranges between you and I. I personally got a chuckle out of it, whereas you didn't which is completely fine.


Subtle? I think not. The crane scene was right up there with the bridge and train sequence from the Raimi films (if not a little more wtf). Don't try to justify it, just accept it. Cheese and camp aren't always bad.

I'd rather take the crane scene over angry NYers throwing garbage at a badly CGI Green Goblin.


The skyscraper handstand and jump were fine, if a little abrupt and inexplicable. Brought back memories of Peter learning to swing in SM1. There are about a million ways to show Peter experimenting with his webshooters and they chose that :huh:

I always thought they'd test him showing what they're capable of, such as what they can make, etc. Perhaps we'll get that later on?
 
Agreed but why bother wasting energy when you give good counter points they continue its like an uphill battle


Imagine that the other person also thinks they're giving good counterpoints :wow: and that it's like they're fighting an uphill battle as well!
 
This is really sad. We should be grateful for all the movies. They are our passion. But i guess some people just can´t appreciate the work of the filmmakers, they just can´t stop complaining.

Anyway, i´m really looking forward to tommorow, hopefully we´ll get something to see online.
 
I'll give you that, I've always thought of The Lizard as Marvel's Wolfman. Not Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, who I believe is The Green Goblin for Marvel.




They showed off Peter's intellect, which wasn't in featured much in Raimi's trilogy.


Agreed but Peter ordered the webfluid from Oscorp, didn't invent it himself:dry:

It's better than nothing, I suppose.

3. Spider-Man, for the most part, was still Peter Parker in the suit. There was hardly any confidence, and little to no quippage. Aside from these:

"Here's your change!"
"It's you who's out Gobby, out of your mind. :facepalm:
"That's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?"

"Hey kiddo, let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?"


"I guess you haven't heard, I'm the sherrif around these parts"
I agree but Spidey can't be quipping all the time, sometimes it becomes annoying (see car thief scene, it was funny but went on for too long).

I think that's the point of Spidey. Not really to be funny, although he has his moments, but to throw his enemies off their game so he can defeat them easier. A perfect example is Rhino, which I hope they address in TASM2.

4. Gwen was shoehorned in and added no purpose to the story besides getting Mary Jane mad at Peter.

I was contradicting that guy's statement that there were new characters added in TASM

My mistake, then. :oldrazz:

5. The Crane Scene was fine, and it was subtle cheese at most compared to Raimi's entire trilogy.

I'm sorry, Spidey gets shot and he needs cranes to swing across??? He swings using his hands not his legs. That scene was cheesy, don't deny it.

Funny how his LEGS support him and allows him to move faster, which is obviously what he needed to do considering there was a giant Lizard threatening to turn the people of New York into lizards as well.

Cheesy? I still don't think so.

Nothing gets more cheeser than the people of NY throwing garbage at The Green Goblin.

6. The skyscraper was fine, also. It showed off Peter testing his new abilities and "live in the moment" attitude. About it being broad daylight, he was falling so fast that nobody would recognize him. Plus, this was before he suited up.


It was a cheesy way of Peter testing his webshooters. There are other ways he could have done this :dry:

It wasn't cheesy, at all.

7 See #4 (he, like Gwen, was USELESS).

See what I said about contadicting that Guy's statement.

I wanna make it clear, I liked TASM . The movie could have been better, but once again SONY stepped in and meddled with the film and we ended up getting a re-hash of SM1. That's why I'm optimistic about the sequel and the fact that those hacks, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman wrote it :cmad:
 
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