The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 4

[DarthSkywalker]

Well I am speaking for myself, you seem to be speaking for others now

I am speaking on the need to use the warts of other films to cover up the problems here. TASM 2 has enough to talk about without trying to use the older series as cover.

 

[TeeKay]

Well I am speaking for myself, you seem to be speaking for others now

But the majority of critics seem to support his statement though even if I disagree with them, he has a point.

 

[SpideyK]

Cool. I'm not much of a 3D fan and felt ASM didn't have enough 'depth.' It also made the film even darker, so I didn't very much like the use there. I've heard from many folks that the 3D is much better this go round and I'll be seeing the movie in both formats. 2D is up first though.

Wow, thought I was the only one who noticed how god damn dark and drab ASM was.

Seriously, it's literally the "flattest" movie I've ever seen, in terms of contrast.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Good morning guys i see that everyone is playing nice today.

 

[TeeKay]

I know what you was saying but I shall still speak my mind

In TASM2 thread? Good luck with that, C.Lee is showing no mercy these days. Continue to 'speak your mind' and you'll be joining the likes of Avenging Spidey and Anno.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I am speaking on the need to use the warts of other films to cover up the problems here. TASM 2 has enough to talk about without trying to use the older series as cover.

That goes both ways, if someone's uses the old films as a way to insult the new ones that's gonna start something either way and I don't mean from me

 

[GremlinZilla89]

I'm not talking about people who like TASM2 as a movie. I'm talking about people who disliked cheese and suddenly are okay with it because Webb is using it. Because WEBB is using it.

And that's what you're not getting. Nobody is saying "The Raimi cheese sux cux it sux but the Webb cheese rox cux it rocks."

For some, the Webb cheese WORKS better for them. It's executed differently. It's call preference. A preference I share.

Let me elaborate. For me, the Raimi cheese largely doesn't work because I don't like the performances by Maguire or Dunst especially. They both give hideous performances coupled with banal dialogue and absolutely zero chemistry. The Raimi films have more of a tongue-in-cheek edge to the humor, which would be ok if I thought it was executed well with good acting and dialogue. The drama in Spidey 2 and 3 is heavy handed and incredibly soap-ish so coupled with the, imo, bad acting it just comes off as incredibly cheesy in the wrong way and it hurts the films.
The drama, imo, of the Webb films is delivered with better acting, chemistry and dialogue. And to me, the cheese factor feels more honest and not tongue-in-cheek. Webb just goes for it without any winking or smirking. So unlike Spider-Man 2 and 3 where the drama and humor clashed, I think TASM2 makes it all blend together.

 

[Matt.S99]

Man, this movie.

This movie had some of the best moments in all the Spidey films including the Raimi trilogy.
Unfortunately, it also had some of the worst.

The Good

Gwen and Peters relationship. Id be lying if I said I didn't tear up a few times. Perfect chemistry.
Both those characters were perfect.
Aunt may was great, too. Sally Field is just extraordinary. Her scene with Peter in his room also made me tear up.
Peter/Spider-mans humor was PERFECT! Just like the comics. He was so fun.
The way Spider-Man moved was jaw dropping my beautiful.
Good action. Overall a fun movie.

But then there is the bad.

And there was a lot of it. I don't mind a little bit of cheesiness, but they over did it with the villains. They need to realize that there's an in between between "dark and serious" like the Nolan Bat films, and "so campy it hurts".
Max Dillion was a horrible character. I'm sorry, but that was embarrassing. They really could not have come up with a more creative idea for him?
The whole "lonely, ignored nerd, overly obsessed with the hero, who gains some power over people and becomes bad" is so over done and rarely ever good. I know many already have made the connection, but he really was exactly like Riddler in Batman Forever.
"YOU IGNORED ME AND DIDNT REMEMBER MY NAME SO NOW IM GONNA KILL YOU!"
And it's hard to sympathize with a guy who has a creepy obsession with the hero. Again, exactly like Nygma.
Rhino was pretty lame, but I think he will be better after.
And Harry.... No. Another one with completely juvenile motivation. You really expect someone to randomly give you their blood because you think it's going to save you? Umm.
I also didn't really like how Green Goblins only purpose was to do you know what.
I realize they were friends as kids, but the relationship between Harry and Peter was so forced. Haven't seen each other for almost a decade, next scene you're "best buds". Flash back or two would have helped this.

Over all, ASM2 is decent fun. It has some of the greatest moments in all the Spider-Man films. Unfortunately where it falls short, it does so in major ways.
I absolutely love these expanded universes. My only gripe is that it seems there's always one film that majorly suffers and becomes a glorified preview for the next. The studios should focus less on all the razzle dazzle of Easter eggs that set up the next film, and focus more on the film that is in front of them.

6/10 for me. The emotional moments saved the film for me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That goes both ways, if someone's uses the old films as a way to insult the new ones that's gonna start something either way and I don't mean from me

Yes, it works both ways. Both ways.

 

[GuestStar2004]

In TASM2 thread? Good luck with that, C.Lee is showing no mercy these days. Continue to 'speak your mind' and you'll be joining the likes of Avenging Spidey and Anno.

Well if I go that route because my annoyance for the Raimi films then so be it

 

[Joe_Kickass]

That goes both ways, if someone's uses the old films as a way to insult the new ones that's gonna start something either way and I don't mean from me

What if you consider the new ones insulting to the older ones? It can't really go the other way around lol

 

[TayDee]

People act like you can't see a friend your haven't seen in 5 years, and catch up like nothing's changed. It is not hard to start where you left off with people.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Wow, thought I was the only one who noticed how god damn dark and drab ASM was.

Seriously, it's literally the "flattest" movie I've ever seen, in terms of contrast.

And what's funny is ASM was filmed in 3D whereas ASM2 is a post-conversion to 3D and that worked out better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

People act like you can't see a friend your haven't seen in 5 years, and catch up like nothing's changed. It is not hard to start where you left off with people.

8 years. I thought their reunion scene was cute, but they hadn't seen each other since they were 10. Not exactly "best friend in the whole world" material.

 

[Supernova]

I dont understand the fighting on this whole comparing the two trilogies. There different interpretations of the same character. Same thing with james bond, star trek, batman etc te list goes on. I say enjoy what you want to, in the words of liam neeson:

[YT]f7MFn-3Xu-A[/YT]

 

[TayDee]

8 years. I thought their reunion scenes was cute, but they hadn't seen each other since they were 10. Not exactly "best friend in the whole world" material.

Doesn't matter how long the time has been. People catch up easily and quickly. I've done it with plenty of old friends.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

People act like you can't see a friend your haven't seen in 5 years, and catch up like nothing's changed. It is not hard to start where you left off with people.

And again, 8 years.

 

[GuestStar2004]

What if you consider the new ones insulting to the older ones? It can't really go the other way around lol

If people are using the older films as cover for the new ones problems then means basically people can't bring up the Raimi films, but when people bring up the Raimi films reception as a way to insult the new film then yeah its gonna drive someone to point out then flaws in them movies, it goes both ways here, people mentioning the films as cover and people mentioning the films just to rub it in peoples faces

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I dont understand the fighting on this whole comparing the two trilogies. There different interpretations of the same character. Same thing with james bond, star trek, batman etc te list goes on. I say enjoy what you want to, in the words of liam neeson:

[YT]f7MFn-3Xu-A[/YT]

Legit deja vu right now.

 

[Airnick]

C-Lee is not gonna like coming Into this thread.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

8 years. I thought their reunion scene was cute, but they hadn't seen each other since they were 10. Not exactly "best friend in the whole world" material.

For someone is like that, for others ones no, at least for me it was like that.

 

[Frodo]

Yeah... so judging by the internets chatter, this is set to be yet another divisive superhero entry ?

As for this silly Raimi vs Webb battle, both series have there strengths and weakness. Neither series I would say is Tobey Macguire and Andrew Garfield are both extremely faithful portrayals of Peter Parker. They just highlight different aspects. Overall I think Raimi had a better grasp on the interpersonal relationships that for the web, of Peter's life. His friends, co-workers, lovers, enemies, and family. Macguire really captured the geeky , underdog side , of Peter in which despite his flaws, you still wanted to root for the guy, and you still rooted for him. That's a very human aspect that the Raimi series got right , and you can't dismiss that . At the same time Webb is stronger with the one on one interactions. He's good with the individual moments when Peter is talking to one person, the intimate moments. Garfield really captures the cocky smack talking side of Spiderman, and really plays him off like a cocky newyorker.

Both series are Spiderman. Both series have cheese ball and corny moments. Both series have stronger and weaker entries. Both series have their heartfelt moments, and both directors clearly got the Peter Parker character. They both compliment each other as opposed to being at polar opposites. Raimi gave us an overall portrait of who Peter Parker was and what his life and world was like. Webb has explored more of those areas of his life that were taken for granted or couldn't be covered in the Raimi series. There's not some dramatic shift between them like there was between Chris Nolan and Burton/Schumacer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

For someone is like that, for others ones no, at least for me it was like that.

Yeah, I mean they had so much in common. The same backpacks, the same passion for lunchables.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

And that's what you're not getting. Nobody is saying "The Raimi cheese sux cux it sux but the Webb cheese rox cux it rocks."

For some, the Webb cheese WORKS better for them. It's executed differently. It's call preference. A preference I share.

Let me elaborate. For me, the Raimi cheese largely doesn't work because I don't like the performances by Maguire or Dunst especially. They both give hideous performances coupled with banal dialogue and absolutely zero chemistry. The Raimi films have more of a tongue-in-cheek edge to the humor, which would be ok if I thought it was executed well with good acting and dialogue. The drama in Spidey 2 and 3 is heavy handed and incredibly soap-ish so coupled with the, imo, bad acting it just comes off as incredibly cheesy in the wrong way and it hurts the films.
The drama, imo, of the Webb films is delivered with better acting, chemistry and dialogue. And to me, the cheese factor feels more honest and not tongue-in-cheek. Webb just goes for it without any winking or smirking. So unlike Spider-Man 2 and 3 where the drama and humor clashed, I think TASM2 makes it all blend together.

The Webb films, better dialogue? Really? Lol okay. No winking or smirking? He just had the straightest face ever when filming the scene in Dillion's bedroom? If this is your actual opinion, then fine, but I can question it if I want. It's the basis of a debate. So don't take it personally.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Yeah, I mean they had so much in common. The same backpacks, the same passion for lunchables.