The Amazing Spider-Man 2 vs Thor: The Dark World

[Zantera]

I'm gonna say TASM2. Thor stand-alone movies are just so dull. I like him as part of the Avengers, but his chemistry with Natalie Portman is non-existing, and Dark World in particular just felt goofy.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Spider-Man 2 is still on my top 5 superhero movies. I find it nearly flawless and it aged really well. The first Spider-Man looks a tad dated by today's standards, but I still love it, nonetheless. Both have so many iconic moments that the TASM series seem unable to replicate (and I still think the first TASM is a very good movie). The train action sequence and it's culmination, the upside down kiss, Peter discovering his powers... TASM 2 had Gwen's death, which could possibly even top these moments, but I bet it will be forgotten in a couple years. Well, let's see what the future holds to us Spidey fans.

Agreed, there are just so many good moments in the Raimi movies things like dated CGI don't seem to hamper them, there many great dramatic moments as well and they struck the perfect balance between that and humour

 

[Zantera]

I recently revisited the Raimi trilogy and it still holds up. Even the third movie is enjoyable IMO. The second movie in particular is just fantastic, and the first is not far behind. I don't want to get into the debate of whether Raimi's Spider-Man take is better than Webb's, but I think what becomes clear when you compare the two on a direction-level, is that Raimi really knows how to put together a movie. The recurring themes, the dramatic tension.. he just really has a lot of talent.

 

[KevanG]

I think that the Raimi Spider-Man movies are fine and even though I usually detest origin movies his first is fine. I just wish more movies would pull the same approach as the last Hulk and have the full origin during the intro then go from there as I couldn't stand the ASM movie and how long it took to finally get the suit on. Any SPB movie that has a history longer than 75% of the people seeing it and already had a movie doing the origins should have a brief scene then move on.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There is a lot of good character work in TDW involving Thor and Loki, and while there is a weak main villain (although even Malekith is much better than the clowns in TASM2) and plot it is a fun, entertaining film.

TASM2 is terrible, for reasons that have been discussed many times on this forum.

I don't think this even close. I gave TDW a 7/10 and TASM2 a 3/10.

 

[Batmannerism]

I recently revisited the Raimi trilogy and it still holds up. Even the third movie is enjoyable IMO. The second movie in particular is just fantastic, and the first is not far behind. I don't want to get into the debate of whether Raimi's Spider-Man take is better than Webb's, but I think what becomes clear when you compare the two on a direction-level, is that Raimi really knows how to put together a movie. The recurring themes, the dramatic tension.. he just really has a lot of talent.

Word ! People are often quick to discard the old for the new, but I'll take Raimi's first two films and a few parts of SM 3 over ASM and ASM 2 any day.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I'm going with ASM2. While ASM2 went overboard with its comic booky nature, and comedic elements, it was meant to be very comic booky and comedic...... despite taking it too far in the end.

The story of Thor: The Dark World lent itself to a very serious tone. And while all the marketing and such would promote that, the film itself is littered with out of place comedy, with multiple moments in the final battle being played for laughs, as opposed to keeping with the serious nature of whats supposed to be a battle over the fate of the universe.

So yeah, ASM2. I'd rather see a film go overboard with its desired tone, then have one thats totally unfitting with the story they're trying to tell.

 

[spiderman2]

This is sad has asm2 is a top 5 CBM all time and Thor the dark world is not even a top 15 CBM so this is just sad has asm2 is astonishe underrated movie. ASM2 has the second best soundtrack in a CBM, some of the best action and the best love story and one of the best actors to play a super hero with AG has sm and the characteristics are spot on and a great love story and great suit. Thor has none of those things so asm2 by a contry mile.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Electro's entire motivation was Batman-Forever Jim Carrey laughable.

Not as much as Aldrich Killian though. He was a copy and paste of Riddler whereas Max Dillon had similarities but wasn't exact

Killian
Long haired nerd with bad skin
Gets ignored by his idol. The man not the hero
Reappears looking all suave with his own company
Destroys the protagonists armours
Kidnaps the protagonists girlfriend

Riddler
Long haired nerd with bad skin
Gets ignored by his idol. The man not the hero
Reappears looking all suave with his own company
Destroys the protagonists vehicles
Kidnaps the protagonists girlfriend

Max Dillon
Nerdy but not Long haired need with bad skin
Gets ignored by his idol. The HERO not the MAN

 

[First Avenger]

I'm going with ASM2. While ASM2 went overboard with its comic booky nature, and comedic elements, it was meant to be very comic booky and comedic...... despite taking it too far in the end.

The story of Thor: The Dark World lent itself to a very serious tone. And while all the marketing and such would promote that, the film itself is littered with out of place comedy, with multiple moments in the final battle being played for laughs, as opposed to keeping with the serious nature of whats supposed to be a battle over the fate of the universe.

So yeah, ASM2. I'd rather see a film go overboard with its desired tone, then have one thats totally unfitting with the story they're trying to tell.

I think it's the other way around,especially considering that ASM2 was tonally completely different from ASM,and its tone changed from scene to scene making it very disjointed,while TDW was more consistent with the tone of the first movie.

 

[First Avenger]

This is sad has asm2 is a top 5 CBM all time and Thor the dark world is not even a top 15 CBM so this is just sad has asm2 is astonishe underrated movie. ASM2 has the second best soundtrack in a CBM, some of the best action and the best love story and one of the best actors to play a super hero with AG has sm and the characteristics are spot on and a great love story and great suit. Thor has none of those things so asm2 by a contry mile.

It's only in YOUR top 5 because it's just YOUR opinion. Critica,audience and many fans really don't think that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Word ! People are often quick to discard the old for the new, but I'll take Raimi's first two films and a few parts of SM 3 over ASM and ASM 2 any day.

Agreed, I don't hate the new series but the Raimi one did so much more right and the first 2 are genuinely quality movies that still hold today. Even the 3rd is not as bad as many suggest either. They should have just carried that series on like X-Men did. 1 or even 2 bad movies didn't derail that franchise in the end.

 

[First Avenger]

I actually think SM3 is better than ASM2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually think SM3 is better than ASM2.

Same, I don't think either movie is awful, but I think SM3 is very underrated.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I like both the Raimi movies and Webb ones. I find it silly when there's Webb vs Raimi fan wars online. It's as if preferring one means you have to rag on the other

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I actually think SM3 is better than ASM2.

Me too. I like all of Raimi's movies better than ASM ones.

 

[First Avenger]

I like both the Raimi movies and Webb ones. I find it silly when there's Webb vs Raimi fan wars online. It's as if preferring one means you have to rag on the other

Personally I don't rag on Webb's movies,ASM left me cold but it got better with time,ASM2 gets worse and is just mediocre.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Personally I don't rag on Webb's movies,ASM left me cold but it got better with time,ASM2 gets worse and is just mediocre.

Yeah same Here, ASM grew on me a lot after a few re-watches and while the sequel was a worse movie I still don't think its the disaster some make out and voted for it in this poll.

I just think the Raimi movies are superior.

 

[Flint Marko]

Not as much as Aldrich Killian though. He was a copy and paste of Riddler whereas Max Dillon had similarities but wasn't exact

Killian
Long haired nerd with bad skin
Gets ignored by his idol. The man not the hero
Reappears looking all suave with his own company
Destroys the protagonists armours
Kidnaps the protagonists girlfriend

Riddler
Long haired nerd with bad skin
Gets ignored by his idol. The man not the hero
Reappears looking all suave with his own company
Destroys the protagonists vehicles
Kidnaps the protagonists girlfriend

Max Dillon
Nerdy but not Long haired need with bad skin
Gets ignored by his idol. The HERO not the MAN

You don't truly believe this do you?
Aldrich's similarities to the Riddler don't go further than the first scene in Switzerland. Note that your list of similarities contains superficial elements such as "bad skin", "destroys their vehicles" and "kidnaps the heroes girlfriend", all of which are either general aspects that could apply to other villains or superficial/surface level things that do nothing to the character.
Electro and the Riddler's entire motivation was cartoony and paper thin. "Oh my hero ignored me or whatever, so I hate him now". Aldrich was spurned by Stark, but it wasn't his life goal from then on to enact revenge against him. His motivation, if you will recall, was to own the war on terror on both sides. Yes you could argue that stemmed from Tony ignoring him, but it goes nowhere near the level of camp and ridiculousness exhibited by Max or Edward Nigma. There's almost no debating that, this character is completely different and much better in execution.

 

[Erzengel]

This is sad has asm2 is a top 5 CBM all time and Thor the dark world is not even a top 15 CBM so this is just sad has asm2 is astonishe underrated movie. ASM2 has the second best soundtrack in a CBM, some of the best action and the best love story and one of the best actors to play a super hero with AG has sm and the characteristics are spot on and a great love story and great suit. Thor has none of those things so asm2 by a contry mile.

Honestly, not even counting what I feel are even average comic book movies, TASM2 doesn't even crack my top 30:

X-Men, X2, First Class, The Wolverine, and DOFP
Avengers
Cap 1 & 2
Iron Man 1 & 3
TDK Trilogy
Blade 1 & 2
Hellboy 1 & 2
Spider-Man 1 & 2
Thor
GOTG
Superman 1 & 2
Batman & Batman Returns
300, V for Vendetta, Crow, History of Violence, Oldboy, Battle Royale, Sin City, Scott Pilrim, Road to Perdition, Men in Black & Watchmen

If I even add the divisive movies that I feel are at worst average, TASM2 doesn't even crack my Top 45:
TDW
TIH
MOS
IM2
TMNT 80s
Kick Ass
Dredd
TASM
Daredevil DC
Spider-Man 3

I won't even go into the superior animated movies like Akira, Mask of the Phantasm or BB Return of the Joker.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Sorry but I still view Spider-man 3 as worst Spider-man film.

ASM Is best spider-man film to me.Despite heavy ultimate influence it gave me more that what I got in rami's film.In ASM peter actully comes off as smart.And peter & Gwen dwarg peter & Mary Jane.

Now clearly even i don't view ASM2 as high as 1.Spider-man 1 and 2 are better than ASM2.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Even against Thor 2 TASM2 loses hard.
It's that miserable?

 

[First Avenger]

TDW is not miserable.I think objectively TDW is better than ASM2 and overall is viewed as a better movie. ASM2 is mediocre,just that. I'd take every other Spidey movie,MS movie and X-Men movie besides Origins over it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

You don't truly believe this do you?
Aldrich's similarities to the Riddler don't go further than the first scene in Switzerland. Note that your list of similarities contains superficial elements such as "bad skin", "destroys their vehicles" and "kidnaps the heroes girlfriend", all of which are either general aspects that could apply to other villains or superficial/surface level things that do nothing to the character.
Electro and the Riddler's entire motivation was cartoony and paper thin. "Oh my hero ignored me or whatever, so I hate him now". Aldrich was spurned by Stark, but it wasn't his life goal from then on to enact revenge against him. His motivation, if you will recall, was to own the war on terror on both sides. Yes you could argue that stemmed from Tony ignoring him, but it goes nowhere near the level of camp and ridiculousness exhibited by Max or Edward Nigma. There's almost no debating that, this character is completely different and much better in execution.

Even that isn't true. Killian's Mandarin scheme started as a way to cover up the glitches in Extremis that caused some of his patients to blow up. He came up with the Mandarin to take the heat off himself. Later he discovered he could exploit it further and use the Mandarin to generate sales of AIM Tech to the US Government. He'd install his own president loyal to him and control both sides of the conflict.

Some posters make a much bigger deal out of Tony snubbing Killian in Switzerland than the film does.

 

[First Avenger]

You don't truly believe this do you?
Aldrich's similarities to the Riddler don't go further than the first scene in Switzerland. Note that your list of similarities contains superficial elements such as "bad skin", "destroys their vehicles" and "kidnaps the heroes girlfriend", all of which are either general aspects that could apply to other villains or superficial/surface level things that do nothing to the character.
Electro and the Riddler's entire motivation was cartoony and paper thin. "Oh my hero ignored me or whatever, so I hate him now". Aldrich was spurned by Stark, but it wasn't his life goal from then on to enact revenge against him. His motivation, if you will recall, was to own the war on terror on both sides. Yes you could argue that stemmed from Tony ignoring him, but it goes nowhere near the level of camp and ridiculousness exhibited by Max or Edward Nigma. There's almost no debating that, this character is completely different and much better in execution.

Plus,Killian attacked Stark's house because Tony challenged him to do that,until Tony's interview Killian didn't care about him at all,he did not know Maya was there during the attack;he then kidnaps Pepper 'not to motivate Tony but as a trophy'. Killian's plan and motivation were completely different and much better than Riddler's(which was better than Electro imo). Killian/Mandarin is actually one of the most underrated villains in CBM,he was great.