Last post on this debate with you, Jack, because we're going around in circles here, and some of your reasoning is reaching ridiculous levels.
No because they tell you, which is bad film making. Which IS a FACT by the way. The art of film is to show not tell.
That's not a fact. The popularity of TDK proves that.
Again, that is your personal preference.
None of which tell you the point of the film. They move the plot forward but don't explain it.
Of course they do. Take Aunt May's speech, for example. She spells it out right there that you have to give up what you want the most to do what's right, even your dreams. That's the point right there.
Plain and simple. That's the moral of the movie. That's the point.
No I got the point, long before the movie came out, when you see a poster with a flaming Bat on a sky scraper, you get what it's about.
Sure you did.
It is a flaw because visuals can do ALL THAT. Visuals can do that, just look at Batman Returns.
Are you for real? You want a movie told entirely in visuals? Whatever floats your boat.
I want a movie driven by actors and their performances that drive an emotionally charged story.
No, because you need proof that he attained illegally.
No, you don't. Suspicion of doubt based on the fact that Dent was an unstable criminal throws everything out of the window. It's like evidence that's obtained illegally is not admissable regardless of how good it is.
Again the key word is proof. You have to prove these accusations, and since he didn't do it, there would be no proof.
The proof is in the doubt of it's validity based on the person who obtained. That's the grounds criminals could appeal on.
"If they get anything on you then those criminals will be back on the streets"
I'm pretty sure there was.
There wasn't.
Whether there was or their wasn't, he was up in charges and had immunity in exchange for his testomoney.
*Sigh* Can you read? He was not charged with anything. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. His deal was they wouldn't charge him if he testified against the mob.
Understand?
Why would he want revenge? Who's Peter to Spidey except someone who takes his pictures.
How did he know about the demonstration? What about the bank? So far Spidey somehow always showed up.
Mother of god, can you not read? Seriously? Spider-Man had QUIT!!!! The demonstration and bank scenes were before he quit.
And spidey's motivation for coming out of hiding, and innoncent kid dies because of him.
Oh right, so the crime rate going up 75%, people dying in fires etc wouldn't get him off his ass. But one kid dying would.
LOL! Great hero
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He didn't know MJ was there until he walked in. That's why he says "Peter Parler [pauses] and the girlfriend." And he doesn't mean girlfriend literally, he's referring to the conversation that he and Peter had previously.
Again, all your own groundless speculation. And Peter never told Ock he had a gf. He said he didn't know when asked by Ock's missus.
You can mock me all you want about the visual thing, just makes you look like a fool. A first year film student could tell you that you show and don't tell. I was actually at a screenwriting class last week with a guy who writes for skins. He told me that this script was awful.
Now there's a coincidence. I've got a couple of mates studying film out in UCD. In fact, Aaron Eckhart was only out there recently, and that's what brought this up in conversation.
They think TDK is one of the best movies in recent years.
Why should we not care? Something massive happens in a film, and we not told how.
Because it's not important. That's why. Nobody cares about how exactly he arranged it. It's irrelevant to the plot.
Yes but he didn't and showed no inclination about doing it.
Shouting, showing agitation, extreme anger....yeah, he was so not inclined to do it.
Only because Batman stepped in and told him he was a paranoid schizo from Arkham who knew nothing.
That doesn't put him at the edge, because he wasn't going to hurt him.
Of course he was. The extreme lengths he went to show that he was being pushed to the extreme.
Police and DA's break the law all the time, maybe not to this extreme but all the time.
Exactly.
There's a huge difference between not reading a perp their rights, and abducting them in an ambulance, putting your whole career on the line, and threatening them with a gun.
You do realise that the Spider-Man movies are metaphoars for teenagers right?
I know exactly what they are. The cheesy dialogue, corny monologues, cartoonish extras, silly camp, and other cheese that is crammed in tells me that.
Metaphors or not, they are guilty of the very thing you're criticising TDK for. You're just making up silly excuses for it.
And that the story is about Peter Parker growing from a boy into a man. Guess not because no one spelt it out for you
Oh don't you fret, I got it in spades. Hard to miss with the strings of monologues about the movie's point in each flick
No it's not, because he powers come back before that, otherwise his Spider-sense would not have gone off and he would not have been able to dodge the car.
Exactly. His powers only come back when MJ was put in danger by the car coming at them. She is the whole basis for it.
All about the girl.
Not if he's talking about having a child, or being in love once. But the story Alfred tells is different, he does from being a lowly butler to some sort of action hero badass.
Action badass?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! He and his friends went looking for ONE gem bandit in a forest. How does that make him an action badass?
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You want to talk action badass, how about Super Granny Aunt May, who can clock Doc Ock with her brolly, and survive the trauma of being tossed off a building twice by a psycho with 4 metal tentacles? LOL!
Those are plot holes. You can't work that out using visuals and subtext because we are not shown anything.
Those are not plot holes. Not telling us the details of how Gordon arranged his faked death is not a plot hole. Why? Because it's not something that was impossible to do or contradicted another plot element.
He see's the real her, which is why she loves him. He's smrt enough to know that because of the years of abuse that she suffered at the hands of her father and being embarrased by that she needs to be with men that give her status. The high school jock, the millionaire, Spider-Man, the Astronanunt. Peter see's through that which allows her to see what she, alone, has to offer the world. In spider-Man 3, Peter is so in love with himself that he stops being that guy. he gives her bad advice, Get Back on the horse like he did, he doesn't realise the difference. Spider-Man being called a pubvlic meance doesn't stop him from being a hero, MJ being called a bad actress stops her getting work. Harry, free from the abuse of his father, knows this and makes her feel better about herself and that is why she is tempted by him.
Oh please. The simple fact is that MJ uses other men for her own insecurities, and then dumps them when it suits her. She even cheats on the guys when she's with them, like kissing Spidey when she was with Harry, and kissing Harry when she was with Peter. She even tried to get with Peter when she was engaged to John Jameson.
She's a horrible person, and her insecurites don't excuse that behaviour.
But I suppose we couldn'y had a crap line to spell it out for you
When I saw her go with three different blokes in Spider-Man 1, that told me all I needed to know about her character
Yeah, i guess it's out there to assume that getting in good with the son of the founder of your company would help your career. Who would ever think of that?
When that son has zero control over the company after being absent and assumed dead for years, yeah that's a ridiculous assumption.
Have you ever touched something after it's been on fire, it can be pretty hot
Three things:
1. The mask had no holes in it at all. It had a bit of black. So the so called fire was hardly extreme.
2. Spidey wears gloves. Much easier to smother a few tiny flames with.
3. You'd suffer a few minor burns to protect your secret identity if you had any intelligence.
So much so that he walks away from her at the end of 1 and that's his growth
That's not the point. The point is that he is still besotted with her and his actions in Spider-Man 2 are still dictated by his feelings for her. It's still all about the girl whether he's with her or not.
And he doesn't bust his ass to get to her plays, that's why he wasn't there.
Of course he does. The only reason he was late was because his motorcycle got wrecked and he took out the thugs on the way there.
LOL! He pulls up to the theatre in their car
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And he gives up being Spidey for more reasons than MJ. His estranged from his Aunt and feels guilty around her, same with Harry, he get's in a fight with harry, his grades are slipping, he can't get a good job, his apartment sucks. There are many reasons.
But why is it then that his powers are only shown to fluctuate after he has heartbreak with MJ? When he sees her leave the theatre with John. When her engagment to John is announced etc. That's when it's shown. That's when we see him fall from the sky flat on his ass.
Heartbreak over MJ. All about the girl. And I repeat the line Octavius said to him: "If you keep something as complicated as love stored up inside, it can make you sick".
Gee, are they spelling out in a LINE why Peter's powers go screwy?
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There was no courtroom scene with Dent and Lau. Dent never charged him. Don't where you got that from. Lau was held in the MCU until he was due to testify.
