Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - - - - Part 14

[Jumpin' Jack]

I agree! I loved their team-up in the Animated Series and I've only read a few comics but seen them work together in them and they make a great duo.

It's one of the reasons why I'm bummed about Daredevil not being set in the present day if Spidey was to join the MCU but I'm sure they could find a way around that and bring Daredevil to the present so he can team up with Spidey. Daredevil will be the first proper Marvel TV series I'll watch. I don't care too much for AoShield or Agent Carter.

I thought Daredevil was set in the present day? It was only Joe Carnahan's version that was said to be set in the 70's?

 

[OriginalMiles]

He's getting confused. It is in fact set in the present day.

 

[Stormz96]

I keep forgetting that I loved TASM2, so maybe I wouldn't be so devastated if the deal doesn't happen.

Yea, I always wind up focusing on all the stuff in the film I hated and I forget about the things about it I loved.

 

[degraves93]

Yea, I always wind up focusing on all the stuff in the film I hated and I forget about the things about it I loved.

The good outweighs the bad for me. I'm a bit of a contrarian with certain elements. I loved Electro, Rhino, and how Gwen's death was portrayed. Dr. Kafka didn't even bother me as much on a second viewing.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Dane DeHaan.

I mean, he just boosts the movie to a 10/10.

 

[degraves93]

Dane DeHaan.

I mean, he just boosts the movie to a 10/10.

Damn straight he does. It's difficult to steal scenes when you're alongside Jamie Foxx, but he did.

 

[Stormz96]

The good outweighs the bad for me. I'm a bit of a contrarian with certain elements. I loved Electro, Rhino, and how Gwen's death was portrayed. Dr. Kafka didn't even bother me as much on a second viewing.

On my first watch, it was very easy to overlook the bad stuff (pacing, unnecessary subplots, underused electro, shoehorned goblin, some poorly shot moments) in favor of the good stuff (awesome performances, killer costumes, peter and Gwen, some REALLY well shot scenes, 'The Night Gwen Stacy Died' sequence). On repeats, the misses tend to stand out more for me, and I wish they wouldn't. Sony just needs to pinpoint what worked for them and get their act together.

 

[Stormz96]

Dane DeHaan.

I mean, he just boosts the movie to a 10/10.

He totally went all out when he had too, he's a seriously great actor

 

[OriginalMiles]

It just proves that even if the script is meh, the actors can turn it around.

ex: Life After Beth.

 

[degraves93]

On my first watch, it was very easy to overlook the bad stuff (pacing, unnecessary subplots, underused electro, shoehorned goblin, some poorly shot moments) in favor of the good stuff (awesome performances, killer costumes, peter and Gwen, some REALLY well shot scenes, 'The Night Gwen Stacy Died' sequence). On repeats, the misses tend to stand out more for me, and I wish they wouldn't. Sony just needs to pinpoint what worked for them and get their act together.

Strangely, it's the opposite for me. The bad or nutty moments recede to the background on repeat viewings. Max's ranting to himself didn't strike me as forced as it did in theaters, Dr. Kafka and the YouTube Scientist were easier to overlook, and I wasn't that bothered by Electro's lack of usage in the first place. Doc Ock didn't have that much screen time in SM2 either. The one thing I wish they could have changed is shoehorning the Goblin to make Gwen's death more like the comics. They should have either had her die by Electro (it could have worked), or not portrayed it at all. Other than that, I like or love most elements of the film, even Steampunk Pig Vomit.

 

[Stormz96]

It just proves that even if the script is meh, the actors can turn it around.

ex: Life After Beth.

Exactly, overall enjoyment ultimately hinges on the actor's performances.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Exactly, overall enjoyment ultimately hinges on the actor's performances.

Which is why I could never consider TASM2 to be an awful movie. Sure, the script is iffy... the narrative is off... but the characters? The acting? Brilliant. Every single character scene - Peter and Gwen, Peter and Harry, Peter and May, Max and Harry, Harry and Felicia, Harry and Norman, Harry and Gwen, Gwen and Max... I love them all. I love the individual subplots between each character, and I love how they eventually come together... I love their interactions. The action is amazing too, so's the SFX.

Great acting, good character moments all around, awesome action... sounds like an amazing CBM to me.

 

[degraves93]

One thing I'm a bit confused about. What year did Richard and Mary leave and then die? I'm guessing it's around 1999, but I heard somewhere else it was more like 2002. Then Harry says that he and Peter haven't seen each other in 10 years, so that must mean they had last seen each other in 2004? The movie does take place in 2014.

 

[Stormz96]

Strangely, it's the opposite for me. The bad or nutty moments recede to the background on repeat viewings. Max's ranting to himself didn't strike me as forced as it did in theaters, Dr. Kafka and the YouTube Scientist were easier to overlook, and I wasn't that bothered by Electro's lack of usage in the first place. Doc Ock didn't have that much screen time in SM2 either. The one thing I wish they could have changed is shoehorning the Goblin to make Gwen's death more like the comics. They should have either had her die by Electro (it could have worked), or not portrayed it at all. Other than that, I like or love most elements of the film, even Steampunk Pig Vomit.

I think if I could get my hands on the film and change things, I would've replaced all the scenes dealing with the parents subplot with more Harry development and at least one flashback of Harry and Peter as kids, as well as one more electro sequence. preferably when Peter's parents left. How I would actually have peter discover the truth about his parents..... Idk.

 

[OriginalMiles]

One thing I'm a bit confused about. What year did Richard and Mary leave and then die? I'm guessing it's around 1999, but I heard somewhere else it was more like 2002. Then Harry says that he and Peter haven't seen each other in 10 years, so that must mean they had last seen each other in 2004? The movie does take place in 2014.

8 years. Peter corrected Harry and said 8.

My guess?

Mary and Richard leave when Peter's 6 (he looks six) so... (assuming TASM2 Peter is 19) 2001.

Harry leaves in 2006 by that logic.

IDK.

 

[degraves93]

I think if I could get my hands on the film and change things, I would've replaced all the scenes dealing with the parents subplot with more Harry development and at least one flashback of Harry and Peter as kids, preferably when Peter's parents left. How I would actually have peter discover the truth about his parents..... Idk.

I wouldn't have included the parents storyline from the beginning. It wasn't the disaster that people say it was but, save for that awesome fight sequence on the plane, it simply wasn't all that interesting. The subway scene made TASM2 grind to an absolute halt, just for Peter to find out what we already knew way earlier. The whole thing just felt like a desperate attempt for Sony to differentiate the ASM films from Raimi's films, when they could have done that by simply skipping the origin story altogether.

 

[Stormz96]

I wouldn't have included the parents storyline from the beginning. It wasn't the disaster that people say it was but, save for that awesome fight sequence on the plane, it simply wasn't all that interesting. The subway scene made TASM2 grind to an absolute halt, just for Peter to find out what we already knew way earlier. The whole thing just felt like a desperate attempt for Sony to differentiate the ASM films from Raimi's films, when they could have done that by simply skipping the origin story altogether.

For me, I just feel like it could've been resolved in the first one. They didn't need to stretch it out into the second. It wasn't terrible, it just bores me because it only serves to tell you the thing everyone already knows: Oscorp ain't so good.

 

[degraves93]

8 years. Peter corrected Harry and said 8.

My guess?

Mary and Richard leave when Peter's 6 (he looks six) so... (assuming TASM2 Peter is 19) 2001.

Harry leaves in 2006 by that logic.

IDK.

Yeah. The wiki for the film says that Harry is 20 in TASM2, so that sounds about right. I'm weird with dates and stuff. I wish they could have had the year on screen, like Forest Hills, Queens, 2001.

 

[degraves93]

For me, I just feel like it could've been resolved in the first one. They didn't need to stretch it out into the second. It wasn't terrible, it just bores me because it only serves to tell you the thing everyone already knows: Oscorp ain't so good.

We already knew Oscorp was bad news at the beginning of TASM1. It bugged me that Sony and co. felt like they had to hold the audience's hand with everything, which includes explaining how Peter needed to alter his webshooters after dealing with Electro.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

We knew Oscorp was bad news thanks to the fact Raimi used Oscorp which created really 3 villains counting Harry.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Sony should keep Spider-Man

 

[Daltonio]

Dane DeHaan.

I mean, he just boosts the movie to a 10/10.

Hell yeah he does, Dane is great. t:

Sony should keep Spider-Man

 

[ImOctavius]

more Harry development and at least one flashback of Harry and Peter as kids

A flashback would be innecesary. I believe that first dialogue between them shows us the worth of their friendship. Just perfect. No exposition t:

 

[Stormz96]

A flashback would be innecesary. I believe that first dialogue between them shows us the worth of their friendship. Just perfect. No exposition t:

I felt the chemistry between the two, believe me, but having to take their word for it just kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Their friendship just didn't feel as deep as they were portraying it to be IMO. I'm kind of demanding though tbh

 

[Daltonio]

A flashback would be innecesary. I believe that first dialogue between them shows us the worth of their friendship. Just perfect. No exposition t:

Agreed. Their chemistry together was so good that I never once doubted that they'd been long-time friends. A flashback might feel a little forced.