Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion

[Oscorp]

I don't see why it should be so sensitive to make comparisions to films that are of the same character.

I do want however LEV to shut up about Batman for once.

 

[The Joker]

I don't see why it should be so sensitive to make comparisions to films that are of the same character.

I do want however LEV to shut up about Batman for once.

It's because they always end in flame wars. So much so they actually had to sticky a warning on the forums that they were not allowed at all, that's how bad it got.

This thread is living proof of it.

 

[SpideyK]

@Doctor Octopus

Peter had not seen Harry in years in TASM movies.

Correct... But Peter did did have someone to interact with. Point being, Peter never struck me as bad at socializing.

No because I am guessing you still have people to hang out with.

Luckily, I do.

However, it does make me sort of an outcast from the rest of the people in my class.

I know change is inevitable, but no change for the worst or change that makes the character feel really different to who they are supposed to be based on. That's a bad thing.

Looks like we've come to where it's nothing more than opinon vs. opinion.

I have no more energy. I surrender.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I was the type of kid who basically everyone knew and everyone who talk to no matter if it's cool kids or jocks, whatever.

I wouldn't say I was close friends with some or even good friends but I didn't have a problem with them. If I see them now (not in HS anymore), I may say "hey man what's up? How are doing?" and just make causal conversation with them.

I still had kids who picked on me (funny thing is me and a kid who picked on me became friends. Maybe he's my Flash).

I had about 3-5 close friends. Friends who I still talk to.

I was also kind of shy and didn't get overly personal with some people.

Point blank, that's really how I see Peter in today's world. Kind of like myself. Except he's smarter.

I think there's a way to modernize Peter while keeping the basic instinct of the 60s. But you have to make some chances.

For example, Peter's always been seen as a nerd. That's fine but add more to his personality. What if he was a baseball fan along with Uncle Ben?

There are many more ideas I have but the point is there's a right way to do things and a wrong way. TASM1 direction seems wrong. Skateboarding isn't the best direction. Him not having any friends isn't the right direction. Peter has to have friends. Even if Harry isn't there, why don't you create new friends for Peter?

The problem is TASM series is trying to hard to be different when being different is easy when you have smart ideas on stuff you can expand on.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Exactly. Peter Parker is the ultimate geek/nerd. I mean they even use that nerdy image and persona as a mirror image for his villains, notably with Doc Ock. The roundy glasses, being bullied in school, the nerdy persona and die hard love for Science etc. If Peter is the geek gone hero, then Octavius is the geek gone villain. The comics reflected that;

That's Peter Parker. Geek/nerd extraordinaire. I could never see Garfield's Peter like this.

Congratulations on taking a single panel from pre-spider bite Peter and reducing the entire character down to that single representation. Peter Parker IS NOT a geek/nerd. Peter Parker WAS a geek/nerd, then he got bitten by a Spider. If we are to believe that panel represents Peter and who he is, we would have to ignore the 50+ comic history of his character after Amazing Fantasy #15 as being out of character.

He was a very different person at 17 than he was at 15. He was even more different at 18/19 in college. He was even more different at 23. He is a world of difference today. Peter changed drastically and his 15 year old self is a distant memory.

Also, don't expect modern movies to dress up characters to a 60s representation.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I don't see why it should be so sensitive to make comparisions to films that are of the same character.

I do want however LEV to shut up about Batman for once.

I don't see why it should be so sensitive to make comparisons to films in which studios have more control over then the directors.

t:

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

What if I told you every version of Peter has been portrayed that way right up to the 2000's? Deal with it yourself.

Pretty much every version of Peter Parker portrays him as a nerd. 616, the 60s Animated Show, the 80s animated shows, the 90s TAS, the Raimi films, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: EMH...

All of them did it correctly, so why does TASM have to be this radical departure?

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Pretty much every version of Peter Parker portrays him as a nerd. 616, the 60s Animated Show, the 80s animated shows, the 90s TAS, the Raimi films, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: EMH...

All of them did it correctly, so why does TASM have to be this radical departure?

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t:

 

[Oscorp]

It's because they always end in flame wars. So much so they actually had to sticky a warning on the forums that they were not allowed at all, that's how bad it got.

This thread is living proof of it.

Then the task for the people on these boards is simple: grow up.

I don't want to get warnings etc. for making a comparision between the different Spider-Man films because others can't handle my opinion.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Pretty much every version of Peter Parker portrays him as a nerd. 616, the 60s Animated Show, the 80s animated shows, the 90s TAS, the Raimi films, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: EMH...

All of them did it correctly, so why does TASM have to be this radical departure?

There is a difference in Peter's portrayal in the 90s animated series and in Raimi's films. A BIG difference. I find it hard to believe you can't tell the difference. Peter is not some UBER geek. Rami made him into one. The comics and cartoons do not portray him that way.

 

[The Joker]

Congratulations on taking a single panel from pre-spider bite Peter and reducing the entire character down to that single representation.

That's not what I was doing. I was making a visual comparison of how Peter and Otto looked so similar before they got their powers and made their turns. One geek went hero, the other went villain.

Peter Parker IS NOT a geek/nerd.

Yes, he is. No offense but with that single statement you have demonstrated you do not know who Peter Parker really is.

Peter Parker WAS a geek/nerd, then he got bitten by a Spider. If we are to believe that panel represents Peter and who he is, we would have to ignore the 50+ comic history of his character after Amazing Fantasy #15 as being out of character.

Just because Peter stopped wearing his glasses didn't magically make him stop being a geek or a nerd. He was and always will be a geek and a nerd. He just gained more self confidence in himself thanks to the spider powers he got. But he was still very much a geek and nerd at heart.

That is a fact.

Also, don't expect modern movies to dress up characters to a 60s representation.

Why not? Every other modern interpretation of Peter has. From the fan favorite Spectacular Spider-Man to the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

Just because the TASM movies have failed miserably at doing it doesn't make it off limits.

Pretty much every version of Peter Parker portrays him as a nerd. 616, the 60s Animated Show, the 80s animated shows, the 90s TAS, the Raimi films, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: EMH...

All of them did it correctly, so why does TASM have to be this radical departure?

We all know this is true. Peter Parker is a nerd. Always has been, always will be.

 

[SpideyK]

Congratulations on taking a single panel from pre-spider bite Peter and reducing the entire character down to that single representation. Peter Parker IS NOT a geek/nerd. Peter Parker WAS a geek/nerd, then he got bitten by a Spider. If we are to believe that panel represents Peter and who he is, we would have to ignore the 50+ comic history of his character after Amazing Fantasy #15 as being out of character.

He was a very different person at 17 than he was at 15. He was even more different at 18/19 in college. He was even more different at 23. He is a world of difference today. Peter changed drastically and his 15 year old self is a distant memory.

Also, don't expect modern movies to dress up characters to a 60s representation.

Nail in the ****ing coffin.

If anything, Peter's pretty damn smooth.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't see why it should be so sensitive to make comparisons to films in which studios have more control over then the directors.

t:

Because your fanboyism is shining through, otherwise you wouldn't constantly mention WB or Batman in every out of context and far fetched way imaginable. Otherwise you'd make comparisions to films that are more fitting to what Spider-Man should aim for such as Iron Man.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Because your fanboyism is shining through, otherwise you wouldn't constantly mention WB or Batman in every out of context and far fetched way imaginable. Otherwise you'd make comparisions to films that are more fitting to what Spider-Man should aim for such as Iron Man.

Batman has had multiple film series like Spider-Man. Superman too.

It's been said that Sony was involved in TASM2 like WB was with Superman 3 and 4 and Batman Forever and Robin.

Burton had complete control, Donner had control, Singer had control (X-Men), Nolan had control, Raimi had control (for the first 2).

It's clear there is studio involvement in TASM films so I compare it to other superhero films in which we have studio involvement. How is that being a fanboy?

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Correct... But Peter did did have someone to interact with. Point being, Peter never struck me as bad at socializing.

That's not the point. If he has not interacted with Harry in years then his social skills would fall by the way side. You are right TASM Peter never seemed bad at socializing because he was always confident when Peter was never very confident until he became Spider-Man.

Luckily, I do.

However, it does make me sort of an outcast from the rest of the people in my class.

That makes no sense. Not everyone socializes with everyone in their class. It doesn't make them outcasts.

Pretty much every version of Peter Parker portrays him as a nerd. 616, the 60s Animated Show, the 80s animated shows, the 90s TAS, the Raimi films, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: EMH...

All of them did it correctly, so why does TASM have to be this radical departure?

Nail on the head.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Just because Peter stopped wearing his glasses didn't magically make him stop being a geek or a nerd. He was and always will be a geek and a nerd. He just gained more self confidence in himself thanks to the spider powers he got. But he was still very much a geek and nerd at heart.

That is a fact.

Sure Peter is book smart, but you don't see him into nerdy things in the books, he is no longer a book worm and sacrifices his studies to be a man of action. His life revolves around intense physical activity, and being a hero. He is in a world of adult problems. He's not sitting on the computer like we are being nerds.

He doesn't get choked up unable to talk to girls... he actually quite good with them. It got to the point where people where jealous of him in college with the ladies. He became friends with Flash. He was not socially inept. He is not the nerd he was before become Spidey.

Why not? Every other modern interpretation of Peter has. From the fan favorite Spectacular Spider-Man to the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

Just because the TASM movies have failed miserably at doing it doesn't make it off limits.

I don't know what to say other than I disagree.

 

[Spider-knight]

He wasn't nervous around other girls. He seemed ok talking to the girl who came up and asked him to take photos for her.

He is too confident as Peter before he becomes Spider-Man and he is worse after he becomes Spider-Man. He is a bad over confident *****e version of Peter.

Really? Because he seemed quite nervous talking to girls and also for the last time he was never that much of a *****ebag. You seem to treat him as if he was the modern day Patrick

 

[Oscorp]

Batman has had multiple film series like Spider-Man. Superman too.

It's been said that Sony was involved in TASM2 like WB was with Superman 3 and 4 and Batman Forever and Robin.

Burton had complete control, Donner had control, Singer had control (X-Men), Nolan had control, Raimi had control (for the first 2).

It's clear there is studio involvement in TASM films so I compare it to other superhero films in which we have studio involvement. How is that being a fanboy?

I'm not talking about that specific comparision only but that you bring up Batman in every context. Anyways, I stand my point but it's pointless to argue any further about that.

I don't think the real problem is so much studio control itself but the people having said control being incompetent. Marvel Studios has a lot of studio control as well but they succeed greatly for the most part.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Really? Because he seemed quite nervous talking to girls and also for the last time he was never that much of a *****ebag. You seem to treat him as if he was the modern day Patrick

What girls did he seem nervous talking to? He seemed more reserved talking to Gwen than to the girl who asked for a photo favor, and that's because he fancied Gwen.

You can keep saying he wasn't a *****e but I think he was. He was rude, arrogant, and very moody.

 

[Spider-knight]

Pretty much every version of Peter Parker portrays him as a nerd. 616, the 60s Animated Show, the 80s animated shows, the 90s TAS, the Raimi films, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: EMH...

All of them did it correctly, so why does TASM have to be this radical departure?

The amazing films had that as well. I've seen nerds like him in my school and college

 

[SpideyK]

That's not the point. If he has not interacted with Harry in years then his social skills would fall by the way side. You are right TASM Peter never seemed bad at socializing because he was always confident when Peter was never very confident until he became Spider-Man.

Aighty.

That makes no sense. Not everyone socializes with everyone in their class.

I barley do at all. I don't think it's at your interest to argue against the actual person we're talking about. I know me, you don't.

Look, I already told you nicely. I don't have the energy for this; I surrender.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Peter wasn't nervous talking to girls in the comics. If anything Webb made him less smooth and more socially awkward than his 616 counterpart... though not nearly as bad as Raimi.

 

[The Joker]

Sure Peter is book smart, but you don't see him into nerdy things in the books, he is no longer a book worm and sacrifices his studies to be a man of action. His life revolves around intense physical activity, and being a hero. He is in a world of adult problems. He's not sitting on the computer like we are being nerds.

That's because he's living by the credo of with great power comes great responsibility. His life as Spider-Man has become his number one priority, and because of that things in his personal life suffer like his studies, his jobs, and relationships with women and friends.

It's got nothing to do with him not being a nerd or a geek any more.

He doesn't get choked up unable to talk to girls... he actually quite good with them. It got to the point where people where jealous of him in college with the ladies. He became friends with Flash. He was not socially inept. He is not the nerd he was before become Spidey.

First of all it took years for him to become friends with Flash. Even when he first met Gwen and Harry neither of them liked him, and it took time for that to develop into a friendship, or in Gwen's case a relationship.

I don't know what to say other than I disagree.

That's your right.

 

[Spider-knight]

What girls did he seem nervous talking to? He seemed more reserved talking to Gwen than to the girl who asked for a photo favor, and that's because he fancied Gwen.

You can keep saying he wasn't a *****e but I think he was. He was rude, arrogant, and very moody.

You said "think" meaning you must've misunderstood his whole situations.

He also seemed nervous talking to Gwen when they were in the halls and several other moments

 

[SpideyK]

I gotta say guys, it is nice to see some discussion.

Sure as hell better than drought.