The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[TheIrishAvenger]

Wrong thread

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

Wrong thread again. FAIL!

 

[craigdbfan]

You do know you're in TASM General Discussion & Spec thread right?

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

You do know you're in TASM General Discussion & Spec thread right?

I had both TDKR and TASM thread open. My mistake

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'm the only one who is alright with him crying in the trilogy?

 

[Scarlettess]

Vulturess was the end all be all bad ideas that would have made me not see the movie. I would have literally not given that movie one cent. That was Sony's idea. Raimi wanted Black Cat and they said no. Shockingly, they were looking at Hathaway for Black Cat.

Raimi wanted Peter and MJ to settle down and have a baby. People on here threw a fit over that even though it's the natural progression of the character and comic accurate.

Raimi is a huge Spidey nerd. He is the last person I would see wanting to ruin the character when compared to Sony higher ups. He nailed golden age Peter Parker and he made 2 movies everyone revered and one that was ok after studio interference. To think he was then the reasons behind an awful sounding SM4 with the likes of Vulturess is not Raimi. It's all just the silly bandwagon effect from fanboys. It's funny, seeing all the people on here call others haters for not liking the suit or saying how dumb people on Facebook are for tearing down this movie when they were doing the exact same thing on here 2 years ago. They were the first too damn SM4 from plot rumors but are now champions of something they haven't seen. I would have given SM4 a fair shot, aside from Vulturess, and I will give this movie a fair shot. All this Raimi or Webb sucks is stupid. Then again it's the Internet.

I agree with all of this, especially the bold. The ball will keep on rolling though, and I bet you when they do decide to have yet another reboot, they'll be on here will probably be slamming this movie just like alot of people are slamming Raimi's. It's a real shame, all these movies are pieces of art whether they were made in the 60's or 90's and now and should be apreciated so. If not for Raimi's films we wouldn't be getting this movie, so everyone should stop b****ing.

I love the Raimi movies to bits and yes they do have their flaws, most noticeably the way Spider-Man (not Parker, just Spider-Man) was written. But I'm not going to go on and on about everything he did wrong just because this trailer means it's now the 'best spider-man movie yet' when its nto even released. Nuhuh. he got alot right and people forget that for alot of people, these movies were their 'in' to knowing Spider-Man and becoming comic book fans. Also you can't blame a Director for absolutely every decision that has been made in the franchise, as unless your Nolan, studios tend to keep them on a tight leash.

sorry rant over....right ASM....did anyone catch good morning America this morning? aparently Emma (I think?) was suppose to be on it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i never been a fan of the first spiderman film, i felt it was abit to cliché for me

with the start of the film him running to the school bus while everyone laughs, to show us he is a nerd

then getting bullied by flash but later the bully gets his comeuppance

then the teenage mary jane going for the bad boys with cars and ignoring peter then starts to show interest later on, its been done loads of times before, transformers for example also done it

then there is the ending where he gets his ass kicked till the goblin starts threatening to go after mary jane which angers peter and he then kicks the goblins ass, which seems like one of them anger clichés where the hero is weak till you threaten his family then anger makes him stronger

and im sure the amazing spiderman will have some of these but does seem more grounded hopefully

 

[Spideyisthelaw9]

Vulturess was the end all be all bad ideas that would have made me not see the movie. I would have literally not given that movie one cent. That was Sony's idea. Raimi wanted Black Cat and they said no. Shockingly, they were looking at Hathaway for Black Cat.

Raimi wanted Peter and MJ to settle down and have a baby. People on here threw a fit over that even though it's the natural progression of the character and comic accurate.

Raimi is a huge Spidey nerd. He is the last person I would see wanting to ruin the character when compared to Sony higher ups. He nailed golden age Peter Parker and he made 2 movies everyone revered and one that was ok after studio interference. To think he was then the reasons behind an awful sounding SM4 with the likes of Vulturess is not Raimi. It's all just the silly bandwagon effect from fanboys. It's funny, seeing all the people on here call others haters for not liking the suit or saying how dumb people on Facebook are for tearing down this movie when they were doing the exact same thing on here 2 years ago. They were the first too damn SM4 from plot rumors but are now champions of something they haven't seen. I would have given SM4 a fair shot, aside from Vulturess, and I will give this movie a fair shot. All this Raimi or Webb sucks is stupid. Then again it's the Internet.

I totally agree.
People say that this will be the best Spidey movie ever, even if they haven't seen it. I just say that things we've seen so far are very good, but we have to wait till we see the movie. I repeat, it's not a 5 stars out of 5 yet.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Congratulations, you've just quoted 3/5 quips from the ENTIRE trilogy.xD

Well,we've heard just one from the trailers,for all we know that could be the only quip in the entire movie

 

[Troy_Parker]

Yeah, no. They've mentioned numerous times how this version of Spidey is a jokester. They're not going to have him quip only once. And there's also a quip in some special footage. A policeman says something like "Who are you?" to which Spidey responds "No one seems to grasp the concept of the mask.".

 

[bunk]

I think the CGI for Lizard looks pretty good. I'm not quite sure what those of you who aren't impressed are seeing, or not seeing.

 

[Troy_Parker]

https://***********/#!/fungusmonkey/status/201037516529340417

 

[Troy_Parker]

I think the CGI for Lizard looks pretty good. I'm not quite sure what those of you who aren't impressed are seeing, or not seeing.

Same. Considering how he's an entirely CG creation, the effects for him are EXCELLENT.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

Yeah, no. They've mentioned numerous times how this version of Spidey is a jokester. They're not going to have him quip only once. And there's also a quip in some special footage. A policeman says something like "Who are you?" to which Spidey responds "No one seems to grasp the concept of the mask.".

Heheh, How could I haven't heard that one before? I was wondering how many quips will Spidey use(d?) in this movie. My guess is 7-8 quips.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

https://***********/#!/fungusmonkey/status/201037516529340417

DAT Labcoat!

 

[dan1]

I agree with Mike that Raimi made far too many concessions.

For someone to be supposedly a Spider-Man comics geek, he completely missed the boat on Green Goblin, the ridiculous MJ/Gwen morphed character, the story being "all about a girl...Mary Jane" and we can go on and on.

You can blame David Koepp the writer, or SONY execs but really, truly the director has the vision, the final stamp of his name behind it and he was okay with taking mechanical web shooters away pretty much right away.

(The first straw on the back or red flag, "Spider-Man Hype's" first petition, and he gave a sad sack excuse in response to the petition.)

Then those Green Goblin suit pics became available on Ain 't it Cool News, and then we all knew this wouldn't be a "ripped from the pages of the comic book and put on celluloid" movie version.

It would be a demographically well done money making machine. It made me finally be disappointed in a Raimi movie.

I saw the movie 10 times, but that was just to see Spider-Man on the big screen. I mean even if I thought it was a bastardization, it was still Spider-Man.

My favorite scene of all three movies was him landing with Mary Jane on the top of the building in S-M1. Raimi got that right. But he got so much wrong.

This new movie looks more spot on from the comic. I think this movie will be better than the first three, and look more realistic (and not just because special effects are 10 years later). Freddy Prinz Jr would have been a better Peter Parker. People assume that he could only do a cutesy film, but obviously he was a huge fan, fit the physique and would have been a bold re-set to his film career. Toby was a strange pic. An indie film favorite, but could not believably pull off that he was Spider-Man, especially when he wasn't in costume, and no that wasn't intentional.

Garfield showed to me he would realize Peter Parker/Spider-Man better from his fantastic work in Doctor Parnassus.

Is it exactly like the comics, no. But we're getting closer and that's all a Spider-Man comic book aficionado of the 60's to 90's work can ask for.

 

[Dragon]

Of course there are instances where it is fault more on one side than the other but that doesn't mean that directors are NEVER at fault for creative differences and I'm not even saying those differences are bad or good, just saying both parties disagree. Again, forcing Venom into the movie was a bad idea but when I look at the credits, who's name is credited as the writer for the movie? Sam and his brother, thus it's their decisions what to do with the character from a creative standpoint, not the studio. Venom should've never been mandated but since he was, it's on the director/writer to make it work and they didn't do that. That doesn't make me piss on the whole trilogy though, that's not my style, but there are issues I have with it

It would've been one thing if the studio had gone to Raimi before he even started the script for Spidey 3 and said Venom has to be in the film. But they waited until he'd completed the script with Sandman/Vulture. And it isn't as though Venom fit his story- the entire film had to be re-structured to include the black suit/evil Pete storyline. So, Raimi rewrites the script- and let's remember- the studio then approved it.

And no creative person is going to put themselves fully into a project they aren't happy with. Raimi was given full reign on Spidey 2 and he produced an excellent film. It's as likely as not that had he been given the same control over 3 he'd have produced a film of equal quality. When Venom, a character that he didn't like in the first place was forced on him, it's reasonable that he wouldn't have given his best. He was going through the motions.

 

[roach]

I'd like to be able to come into a thread about the new spider-man movie and not read about how Raimi screwed up the series

 

[Ashes2Phoenix]

Has anyone seen the new pic Marc Webb released ? Also how do you post images up to this thread ?

 

[Dragon]

I agree with Mike that Raimi made far too many concessions.

For someone to be supposedly a Spider-Man comics geek, he completely missed the boat on Green Goblin, the ridiculous MJ/Gwen morphed character, the story being "all about a girl...Mary Jane" and we can go on and on.

You can blame David Koepp the writer, or SONY execs but really, truly the director has the vision, the final stamp of his name behind it and he was okay with taking mechanical web shooters away pretty much right away.

(The first straw on the back or red flag, "Spider-Man Hype's" first petition, and he gave a sad sack excuse in response to the petition.)

Then those Green Goblin suit pics became available on Ain 't it Cool News, and then we all knew this wouldn't be a "ripped from the pages of the comic book and put on celluloid" movie version.

It would be a demographically well done money making machine. It made me finally be disappointed in a Raimi movie.

I saw the movie 10 times, but that was just to see Spider-Man on the big screen. I mean even if I thought it was a bastardization, it was still Spider-Man.

My favorite scene of all three movies was him landing with Mary Jane on the top of the building in S-M1. Raimi got that right. But he got so much wrong.

This new movie looks more spot on from the comic. I think this movie will be better than the first three, and look more realistic (and not just because special effects are 10 years later). Freddy Prinz Jr would have been a better Peter Parker. People assume that he could only do a cutesy film, but obviously he was a huge fan, fit the physique and would have been a bold re-set to his film career. Toby was a strange pic. An indie film favorite, but could not believably pull off that he was Spider-Man, especially when he wasn't in costume, and no that wasn't intentional.

Garfield showed to me he would realize Peter Parker/Spider-Man better from his fantastic work in Doctor Parnassus.

Is it exactly like the comics, no. But we're getting closer and that's all a Spider-Man comic book aficionado of the 60's to 90's work can ask for.

Spot on from the comic? Where is that?

The alterations to the costume.
Alterations to Peter's origin.
Alterations to Ben's story.
Far more coincidental ties between Peter and the villains than Raimi could have ever conceived of.
Far more unmasked Spidey scenes than fans griped over in Raimi's films.
The look of the Lizard is just as off as the look of the Goblin.
Flash Thompson attending a science high school.

And this film seems to be hitting all the same notes as Raimi's films.
Peter is still the shy nerd stumbling over his words with Gwen, when he wasn't that way in the comics.

The relationship between Peter and Ben seems very shaky. The encounter with the doorman at Gwen's building clearly mirrors the scene with Bruce Campbell from 2. Peter's relationship with Connors seems to mirror that of Ock.

I agree the cast looks good. Not better than the Raimi films, but just as good. The action looks cool and the effects seem to have advanced as they naturally would have. But there are certainly issues with the film.

 

[Scarlettess]

Spot on from the comic? Where is that?

The alterations to the costume.
Alterations to Peter's origin.
Alterations to Ben's story.
Far more coincidental ties between Peter and the villains than Raimi could have ever conceived of.
Far more unmasked Spidey scenes than fans griped over in Raimi's films.
The look of the Lizard is just as off as the look of the Goblin.
Flash Thompson attending a science high school.

And this film seems to be hitting all the same notes as Raimi's films.
Peter is still the shy nerd stumbling over his words with Gwen, when he wasn't that way in the comics.

The relationship between Peter and Ben seems very shaky. The encounter with the doorman at Gwen's building clearly mirrors the scene with Bruce Campbell from 2. Peter's relationship with Connors seems to mirror that of Ock.

I agree the cast looks good. Not better than the Raimi films, but just as good. The action looks cool and the effects seem to have advanced as they naturally would have. But there are certainly issues with the film.

Actually, I can tell you from seeing the sizzle reel at the Untold Story evet, he doesn't appear 'shy' in any way in this film, he's a contempory 'geek' who has trouble talking to girls, that's as far as his shyness goes. In fact I'd convey it more as 'awkwardness' what this Peter Parker gives off not shyness. He stands up to Flash before he even gets bit, and gets beaten up for it.

Anyway can we please get off the discussion of Raimi films? before I mod comes in here and yells at us for not staying on topic.

edit: and I didn't comment on the rest of the post because theres no point, each movie have their differences from the material, this one we have yet to see how that fares. If they were going to rip it straight from the pages then why not just give us the bloody book to read?

 

[mayo23]

Spot on from the comic? Where is that?

The alterations to the costume.
Alterations to Peter's origin.
Alterations to Ben's story.
Far more coincidental ties between Peter and the villains than Raimi could have ever conceived of.
Far more unmasked Spidey scenes than fans griped over in Raimi's films.
The look of the Lizard is just as off as the look of the Goblin.
Flash Thompson attending a science high school.

And this film seems to be hitting all the same notes as Raimi's films.
Peter is still the shy nerd stumbling over his words with Gwen, when he wasn't that way in the comics.

The relationship between Peter and Ben seems very shaky. The encounter with the doorman at Gwen's building clearly mirrors the scene with Bruce Campbell from 2. Peter's relationship with Connors seems to mirror that of Ock.

I agree the cast looks good. Not better than the Raimi films, but just as good. The action looks cool and the effects seem to have advanced as they naturally would have. But there are certainly issues with the film.

I think you should re-think some of your issues with the film.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

Talking about Sam vs Webb? Typical.

I cant imagine what happen to this forum when after the movie is out

Sam's special effect vs Webb's special effect
Sam's music vs Webb's music
Tobey vs Andrew
Kristen/ Bryce vs Emma
Sam's origin vs Webb's origin
.......
This list can go forever.

 

[Scarlettess]

to be fair apart from the music the majority of that list has already started.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Talking about Sam vs Webb? Typical.

I cant imagine what happen to this forum when after the movie is out

Sam's special effect vs Webb's special effect
Sam's music vs Webb's music
Tobey vs Andrew
Kristen/ Bryce vs Emma
Sam's origin vs Webb's origin
.......
This list can go forever.

The bold has already started in the forum. And there have been rumblings already with comparing Kirsten Dunst and Emma Stone, even though they play different characters, lol.