The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[TheWallCrawler]

idk. As ambitious as it would be, there'd just be too much going on in the movie. All this AND we still have the main character that has his own journey too.

Two villains in the sequel would be just fine though, but not two big time primary villains. I'd rather have one primary villain and one secondary (like Chameleon). That way the story is more focused and much less muddled imo. Look at X-Men 3. In the process of having two major villains in Magneto and Phoenix, they couldn't even focus much on any character because so much was going on. SM3 coudn't do it either because it was 3 freakin villains and became the massive cluster**** we know it is.

I haven't read much X-men comics, but I don't know if Magneto and Pheonix were good villains to put together to begin with. Though, the fault wasn't in having two villains at all. And in ultimate comics Green Goblin and Doc Ock origins are already together, those are much easier characters to have together

besides the journey the hero takes is always based on what villains the movie has and the movie is always better when it's mostly about the villain/villains (with a few exceptions of course).

 

[mayo23]

So like, Kelsey Chow who plays Sally Avril pretty talks about her role in ASM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-RU7gX_HM4

Sorry I can't seem to figure out the youtube imbed.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Webb seems to be a fan of also the newer Spidey comics, do you guys think he wants to give Venom another go? There's so much potential in that story and it can be very character driven, which this new series is gonna be about, so I think it's safe to say they will redo Venom

If they do though, I would like if the series had 4 movies. Green Goblin is given, and Venom would be the second remade villain, only one fresh villain in a trilogy would be lame. So 4 movies would be cool. Only in that case though

It'll only be a trilogy though, as of now at least, so I just hope the only villain they end up re-using is Green Goblin. Doc Ock, imo, doesn't need to be re-used after the superb performance by Alfred Molina and I don't really care about seeing Sandman, Venom and Harry Osborn(becoming a villain at least) because of how pathetic their versions were in S-M 3. Yes, Nolan is using Bane after he was used in a disappointing way in Batman & Robin, but if we're getting a trilogy, Webb should only be using one villain from Raimi's trilogy.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

It'll only be a trilogy though, as of now at least, so I just hope the only villain they end up re-using is Green Goblin. Doc Ock, imo, doesn't need to be re-used after the superb performance by Alfred Molina and I don't really care about seeing Sandman, Venom and Harry Osborn(becoming a villain at least) because of how pathetic their versions were in S-M 3. Yes, Nolan is using Bane after he was used in a disappointing way in Batman & Robin, but if we're getting a trilogy, Webb should only be using one villain from Raimi's trilogy.

Yea exactly. Any more than one villain used again would be too much. GG should be the only villain that was used in the previous trilogy.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

It'll only be a trilogy though, as of now at least, so I just hope the only villain they end up re-using is Green Goblin. Doc Ock, imo, doesn't need to be re-used after the superb performance by Alfred Molina and I don't really care about seeing Sandman, Venom and Harry Osborn(becoming a villain at least) because of how pathetic their versions were in S-M 3. Yes, Nolan is using Bane after he was used in a disappointing way in Batman & Robin, but if we're getting a trilogy, Webb should only be using one villain from Raimi's trilogy.

Well, that of course works so well because mainstream audience rarely even remembers Bane being in the movie if they haven't seen it in a while.

While Spider-man 3 venom was a complete disaster, the character still kinda was there and wasn't 110% raped like Bane was so yeah, I agree that there's no point in redoing him just because he was dissapointing. Though, I still think that Webb could give us a terrific Venom

 

[Jostru]

It's bad enough we have to re-do the Green Goblin. I'm hoping never used villains are explored.

Spidey has an impressive rogue gallery waiting to be brought to the big screen.

The rest of the Raimi villains need to get to the back of the line.

Agreed.

We still have Electro, Vulture, Mysterio, Hobgoblin, Kraven,... I'd like to see one of those.

I can actually see Kraven being a villain in one of the sequels. A guy like Kraven would be VERY interested after the Lizard attack in ASM.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I've said this like a million times, but how about the Enforcers? I don't mean the usual lineup, my version would be:
Rhino, Shocker and Kraven

Rhino and Shocker would be pretty close to usual interpretation, Kraven would have more of a mercenary look with little elements of the original costume, and he would have more or less the original background story-wise

 

[Jostru]

I've said this like a million times, but how about the Enforcers? I don't mean the usual lineup, my version would be:
Rhino, Shocker and Kraven

Rhino and Shocker would be pretty close to usual interpretation, Kraven would have more of a mercenary look with little elements of the original costume, and he would have more or less the original background story-wise

Well, they already went that way with powered-up villains as the New Enforcers in TSSM, didn't they?
Shocker and Rhino (as substitute for Ox?) would definitely work. I don't know about Kraven though...

Why not go the Spectacular route and have Norman Osborn create the villains who form this new version of the Enforcers? Shocker's suit was stolen by Montana, because Osborn tipped them off. Rhino was created by Osborn and so was Sandman. Seeing Rhino and Sandman as teammates again would be cool, but Sandman was already in SM3... Perhaps Molten Man or someone else Osborn "creates" could be the third member?

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

I've said this like a million times, but how about the Enforcers? I don't mean the usual lineup, my version would be:
Rhino, Shocker and Kraven

Rhino and Shocker would be pretty close to usual interpretation, Kraven would have more of a mercenary look with little elements of the original costume, and he would have more or less the original background story-wise

Well that could work I guess (maybe use two of them?).

They could use TSSM as a blueprint. The villains in the sqeual are pretty much hired/created by Norman to take care of Spidey with Norman becoming GG in the end of the movie. GG could be the villain in the 3rd movie.

EDIT: OMG freaking beaten to it!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I wouldn't mind seeing every ASM sequel open with Spider-man fighting a classic villain like Shocker and Rhino then exploring more psychological villains like Kraven and Mysterio as the main threat.

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

I wouldn't mind seeing every ASM sequel open with Spider-man fighting a classic villain like Shocker and Rhino then exploring more psychological villains like Kraven and Mysterio as the main threat.

Mysterio and Electro <3
They need to be in ASM 2.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Well, they already went that way with powered-up villains as the New Enforcers in TSSM, didn't they?
Shocker and Rhino (as substitute for Ox?) would definitely work. I don't know about Kraven though...

Why not go the Spectacular route and have Norman Osborn create the villains who form this new version of the Enforcers? Shocker's suit was stolen by Montana, because Osborn tipped them off. Rhino was created by Osborn and so was Sandman. Seeing Rhino and Sandman as teammates again would be cool, but Sandman was already in SM3... Perhaps Molten Man or someone else Osborn "creates" could be the third member?

There was nothing wrong with that in TSSM, and it could be cool in a movie too, but as good as the series is I don't want them to take too much from it, I don't want this to feel like "TSSM the movie"

So I'm not completely saying that's a bad idea, but I'd like if they took most of the stuff from comics and mostly just look TSSM as an example on what type of stuff you can do with classic stories and villains

What's mainly wrong with that idea is that it's kinda formulaic setup, which works in a tv series since you gotta keep it going for several episodes and stories, but as far as I'm concerned it could work if Oscorp creates a villain/villains only once, if multiple villain then they gotta be a part of the same team, like for example the Enforcers. Nothing forced though, like Scorpion & vulture, or even Sandman & Rhino, that wouldn't work in a movie

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Well that could work I guess (maybe use two of them?).

They could use TSSM as a blueprint. The villains in the sqeual are pretty much hired/created by Norman to take care of Spidey with Norman becoming GG in the end of the movie. GG could be the villain in the 3rd movie.

EDIT: OMG freaking beaten to it!

They shouldn't do that. The setup, while it works pretty well in the cartoon, it's a little too formulaic for a movie. That's in a nutshell, feel free to read my earlier post which is in more detail

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

They shouldn't do that. The setup, while it works pretty well in the cartoon, it's a little too formulaic for a movie. That's in a nutshell, feel free to read my earlier post which is in more detail

Hence the "I guess" my first statement. I'm not totally confident in the idea but I'm not too much against it either.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Hello,

I'm going to the premiere in France, at the Grand Rex, in 3D, with Andy, Emma, Mark, and Rhys, on June 19th.

Goodbye

 

[Abudefduf]

It's Am I The Only One time!
Am I the only one who dislikes Mysterio? I mean he works as a villain in a 20 minutes cartoon, but having him as the main villain of a movie... dunno, really. I'm not sure I want to endure 2 hours of Spider-Man suffering from hallucinations, it sounds lame.

Btw, I'm hoping to see Scorpion in the future.

Hello,

I'm going to the premiere in France, at the Grand Rex, in 3D, with Andy, Emma, Mark, and Rhys, on June 19th.

Goodbye

You lucky one.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

It's Am I The Only One time!
Am I the only one who dislikes Mysterio? I mean he works as a villain in a 20 minutes cartoon, but having him as the main villain of a movie... dunno, really. I'm not sure I want to endure 2 hours of Spider-Man suffering from hallucinations, it sounds lame.

Btw, I'm hoping to see Scorpion in the future.

You lucky one.

Mysterio has potential in being more than just illusions. First of all, if he was ever to be portrayed in a movie, he probably would be more of a psychological villain, which would be interesting to see when Webb's strong field is character driven story. And also, tinkerer could provide him with some technological stuff for actually fighting Spider-man

And when his tricks are revealed to be only illusions, with the tech and scifi type weaponry he would still be difficult to beat, but way easier than before. Only after Spidey removes the glass bowl we would get a look how pathetic he really is

But that's just my opinion really, and there's nothing wrong with your view. And yes, Scorpion would be pretty cool (I actually wanted him to be the villain in the first movie), but there's the slight problem that he outmatches Spidey physically exactly the same way the lizard does, so they wouldn't preobably want to use him

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Hence the "I guess" my first statement. I'm not totally confident in the idea but I'm not too much against it either.

My thought's exactly

I never have problem with anything as long as it's well executed. That's why I liked the costume from the beginning, it's a well executed design even though I never would've thought Spider-man would be wearing that kind of a costume

 

[Radioactive]

Hello,

I'm going to the premiere in France, at the Grand Rex, in 3D, with Andy, Emma, Mark, and Rhys, on June 19th.

Goodbye

 

[Scarlettess]

Yeah GG is the only one that should be re-done, Dock Ock was done fantastically in SM2 and doesn't need to be retread in this trilogy, there are so many other villains yet to have their shot on the big screen, Spidey has one ofthe greatest rougue galeries ever so it be a shame just retread old villains.

I'd love to see Electro and Mysterio in this trilogy. Shocker as well should play a role probably similar to that of Scarecrow in BB, (same could be for Electro, however I see him as being more of Norman's right hand man) I maybe in the minority but I've never been a really big fan of Kraven, (and yes, i have read kravens last hunt) though after the Lizard in ASM I can see why he might fit into this series.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Yeah GG is the only one that should be re-done, Dock Ock was done fantastically in SM2 and doesn't need to be retread in this trilogy, there are so many other villains yet to have their shot on the big screen, Spidey has one ofthe greatest rougue galeries ever so it be a shame just retread old villains.

I'd love to see Electro and Mysterio in this trilogy. Shocker as well should play a role probably similar to that of Scarecrow in BB, (same could be for Electro, however I see him as being more of Norman's right hand man) I maybe in the minority but I've never been a really big fan of Kraven, (and yes, i have read kravens last hunt) though after the Lizard in ASM I can see why he might fit into this series.

I agree on the Shocker part. I've never been a big Kraven fan either, but I think he could work as a minor villain, or as a psychological villain, an obsessed man who goes to the greatest lenghts just to hunt down Spider-man and prove himself as a superior being. Take a few elements from Kraven's last hunt with that and you would have an amazing movie with a superb villain

Of course his design would have to go through a major tweak for him to be approved by GA and even many hardcore spidey fans. I was thinking a more of a mercenary look with some minor elements from his original design

 

[Hunter Rider]

I agree on the Shocker part. I've never been a big Kraven fan either, but I think he could work as a minor villain, or as a psychological villain, an obsessed man who goes to the greatest lenghts just to hunt down Spider-man and prove himself as a superior being. Take a few elements from Kraven's last hunt with that and you would have an amazing movie with a superb villain

Of course his design would have to go through a major tweak for him to be approved by GA and even many hardcore spidey fans. I was thinking a more of a mercenary look with some minor elements from his original design

Didn't they modernize Kraven's look in one of the recent animated shows?

 

[Scarlettess]

I agree on the Shocker part. I've never been a big Kraven fan either, but I think he could work as a minor villain, or as a psychological villain, an obsessed man who goes to the greatest lenghts just to hunt down Spider-man and prove himself as a superior being. Take a few elements from Kraven's last hunt with that and you would have an amazing movie with a superb villain

Of course his design would have to go through a major tweak for him to be approved by GA and even many hardcore spidey fans. I was thinking a more of a mercenary look with some minor elements from his original design

Definately, I don't think anyone could take him seriously if he was wearing leopard tights or worse...a leotard lol

I think a cross between what they did with him in the Ultimate line and what your suggesting would be perfect. I did have a scooch on deviantart a while ago and found this though....which would be perfect just swap the leggins for mercinary pants. (its kinda big lol)

or if they wanted to avoid the animal skin then this:

 

[Radioactive]

Definately, I don't think anyone could take him seriously if he was wearing leopard tights or worse...a leotard lol

I think a cross between what they did with him in the Ultimate line and what your suggesting would be perfect. I did have a scooch on deviantart a while ago and found this though....which would be perfect just swap the leggins for mercinary pants. (its kinda big lol)

or if they wanted to avoid the animal skin then this:

Deviant art looks epic.

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

JESUS CHRIST.

Kraven looks inansely freaking epic in that DevainART picture.
Mr.Webb, make him in TASM 2 and I will have your babies.