The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread

[Curmudgeon]

A trailer tease apparently lol: http://https//www.facebook.com/#!/theamazingspiderman

I voted for 'teh funneh'.

 

[TheDragonator]

Sony is a bunch of *******s teasing us with this.

 

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

I voted for 'teh funneh'.

Me too. Quippage would be great.

 

[craigdbfan]

Sony made another Ghost Rider film with Nicolas Cage just to hold on to the rights and that was a niche Marvel property, with a first film that wasn't well received.

Spider-Man is not only a billion dollar property but it's Sony's flagship franchise (and Marvel's flagship character). They'll make more just to hold on to the IP.

Yeah and look where that kind of mentality has taken them. They're now the #1 ranked company to not exist by the end of 2012 based on the 24/7 Wall St report which in the past has proved to be prescient in many instances.

1. Sony Pictures
Sony has a studio production arm which has nothing to do with its core businesses of consumer electronics and gaming. Sony bought what was Columbia Tri-Star Picture in 1989 for $3.4 billion. This entertainment operation has done poorly recently. Sony’s fiscal year ends in March, and for the period revenue for the group dropped 15 percent to $7.2 billion and operating income fell by 10 percent to $466 million. Sony is in trouble. It lost $3.1 billion in its latest fiscal on revenue of $86.5 billion. Sony’s gaming system group is under siege by Microsoft and Nintendo. Its consumer electronics group faces an overwhelming challenge from Apple. The company’s future prospects have been further damaged by the Japan earthquake and the hack of its large PlayStation Network. CEO Howard Stringer is under pressure to do something to increase the value of Sony’s shares. The only valuable asset with which he can easily part is Columbia which would attract interest from a number of large media operations. Sony Entertainment will disappear with the sale of its assets.

Source

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah and look where that kind of mentality has taken them. They're now the #1 ranked company to not exist by the end of 2012 based on the 24/7 Wall St report which in the past has proved to be prescient in many instances.

Once again, agreed.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Yeah and look where that kind of mentality has taken them. They're now the #1 ranked company to not exist by the end of 2012 based on the 24/7 Wall St report which in the past has proved to be prescient in many instances.

It's that mentality that'll get us a sequel. That's the only thing fandom should concern themselves with. There not going to stop making Spider-Man movies.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Once again, agreed.

The article that Craig posted, the author cites most of Sony's problems come from their electronics division. Competition from Microsoft, Nintendo, and Apple, the hacking of the PSN and the earthquakes in Japan.

I fail to see the correlation between any of that and their movie division. The author states that Columbia Pictures as a whole is what Sony has that's valuable and if they needed the money, that's what they would need to part with.

Even that seems like a longshot but if that were to happen, the studio would just be a subsidiary under another bigger corporation. Just like when Disney bought Marvel but for the most part, things stayed the same.

 

[craigdbfan]

Time will tell.

I have my bets on Disney regaining the rights sooner rather than later but you're free to believe whatever you like.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Pretty much. I mean, why are they waiting so long on a new trailer? Something has to be off.

Obviously, I could be wrong. I just can't think of another reason.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Time will tell.

I have my bets on Disney regaining the rights sooner rather than later but you're free to believe whatever you like.

Disney getting the rights back just seems like a pipedream.

Sony will never willfully give up the rights to a billion dollar franchise and even if they were to sell Columbia Pictures, that just means another company would be in control of the rights.

Same story, different scenario.

 

[sweetre15]

^^ Pretty much. I mean, why are they waiting so long on a new trailer? Something has to be off.

Obviously, I could be wrong. I just can't think of another reason.

Well from the looks of it they seem to want to gauge a reaction of what to put in the trailer

 

[craigdbfan]

As I said time will tell. Acting as if these legal bindings are written in stone is not wise as history has shown adaptation rights especially in regards to Marvel has jumped around several instances.

Now that Disney is involved and owns Marvel I'd say their legal standing in bringing this properties in house has been better than ever. Pipe dream is not the word I'd use when taking into consideration that Disney has the best lawyers money can buy.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Yeah and look where that kind of mentality has taken them. They're now the #1 ranked company to not exist by the end of 2012 based on the 24/7 Wall St report which in the past has proved to be prescient in many instances.

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It's that mentality that'll get us a sequel. That's the only thing fandom should concern themselves with. There not going to stop making Spider-Man movies.

The article that Craig posted, the author cites most of Sony's problems come from their electronics division. Competition from Microsoft, Nintendo, and Apple, the hacking of the PSN and the earthquakes in Japan.

I fail to see the correlation between any of that and their movie division. The author states that Columbia Pictures as a whole is what Sony has that's valuable and if they needed the money, that's what they would need to part with.

Even that seems like a longshot but if that were to happen, the studio would just be a subsidiary under another bigger corporation. Just like when Disney bought Marvel but for the most part, things stayed the same.

Owned. BenReilly wins. xD

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well from the looks of it they seem to want to gauge a reaction of what to put in the trailer

Could be. Or they are trying to keep people held over until the next trailer. Considering that TDKR and The Hobbit's trailer just released.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

As I said time will tell. Acting as if these legal bindings are written in stone is not wise as history has shown adaptation rights especially in regards to Marvel has jumped around several instances.

Now that Disney is involved and owns Marvel I'd say their legal standing in bringing this properties in house has been better than ever. Pipe dream is not the word I'd use when taking into consideration that Disney has the best lawyers money can buy.

Your making it sound as if the reason Marvel couldn't get the rights back before was because they just couldn't afford a good legal team but now that they've got Disney behind them, they've got a solid case.

Marvel sold the film rights to those characters in perpetuity to Sony and Fox. As long as they keep developing and making films, Marvel's hands are tied. Look at Fox. They haven't made a Daredevil/Elektra film since 2005. Almost seven years ago and they still have a tight grip on the rights.

 

[craigdbfan]

Owned. BenReilly wins. xD

We have confirmation that the trailer for TASM is indeed with Tintin. Somebody in our group went to the midnight showing.

Well, we now have 2 separate confirmations from different theaters that the trailer is indeed playing with Tin Tin. And Spiderman6592 is going to see the midnight showing, so he'll tell us on our Facebook group about what happened.

Dinner is served. Bon Appetite.

 

[craigdbfan]

Your making it sound as if the reason Marvel couldn't get the rights back before was because they just couldn't afford a good legal team but now that they've got Disney behind them, they've got a solid case.

Marvel sold the film rights to those characters in perpetuity to Sony and Fox. As long as they keep developing and making films, Marvel's hands are tied. Look at Fox. They haven't made a Daredevil/Elektra film since 2005. Almost seven years ago and they still have a tight grip on the rights.

Different contracts with different clauses.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Guys, let's keep the discussion civil here.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Different contracts with different clauses.

Sure but what does that have do with anything? How does that help Marvel's case in getting the rights back for Spider-Man?

 

[TheDragonator]

Your making it as if the reason couldn't get the rights back before was because they just couldn't afford a good legal team but now that they've got behind them, they've got a solid case.

Marvel sold rights to those characters in perpetuity to Sony and . As long as they keep developing and making films, Marvel's hands are tied. Look at . They haven't made a Daredevil/Elektra film since 2005. Almost seven years ago and they still have a tight grip on the rights.

Well, the rights actually expire after 7 years. The reason they have Daredevil is because of his cameo in Elektra. If they don't start filming next year, they lose the rights.

Plus, Marvel already got back Punisher and Blade.

Currently, the rights stand here:
Daredevil reverts in 2012 (with reboot in early planning)
Fantastic Four reverts in 2014
Spidey reverts in 2018
Ghost Rider reverts in 2018
X-Men reverts 2018

But with every time they begin filming, it becomes seven years from that release date.

 

[craigdbfan]

Sure but what does that have do with anything? How does that help Marvel's case in getting the rights back for Spider-Man?

Tell you what lets reconvene with this discussion at the end of 2012/beginning of 2013.

Seeing as our discussion mainly consist of future stakes I think the conversation will be more appropriate then.

You've made your points I've made mine. Nothing more can be gained from keeping this going.

I respect your point but I'm not removing myself of the mindset that Spider-Man will not be in Sony/Colombias grip for much longer. I figure by that time we'll both have more insight in the direction this will all go.

Deal?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Dinner is served. Bon Appetite.

The teaser trailer played with Tintin.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Well, the rights actually expire after 7 years. The reason they have Daredevil is because of his cameo in Elektra. If they don't start filming next year, they lose the rights.

Plus, Marvel already got back Punisher and Blade.

Currently, the rights stand here:
Daredevil reverts in 2012 (with reboot in early planning)
Fantastic Four reverts in 2014
Spidey reverts in 2018
Ghost Rider reverts in 2018
X-Men reverts 2018

But with every time they begin filming, it becomes seven years from that release date.

Nobody really knows the specifics of what's in those contracts or when, if, and how they would revert back to Marvel. It's all conjecture and wishful thinking among the fandom.

Back to my original point, if they'll make another GR film just to hold on the the IP, then there's zero doubt they'll continue making Spider-Man movies, which is their top billion dollar franchise.

It's sound logic.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Tell you what lets reconvene with this discussion at the end of 2012/beginning of 2013.

Seeing as our discussion mainly consist of future stakes I think the conversation will be more appropriate then.

You've made your points I've made mine. Nothing more can be gained from keeping this going.

I respect your point but I'm not removing myself of the mindset that Spider-Man will not be in Sony/Colombias grip for much longer. I figure by that time we'll both have more insight in the direction this will all go.

Deal?

Deal.

We will have a clear indication of what the future of this franchise will be around that time. If a sequel happens and they hold onto their May 2014 release date, it would have to go into production around that time.

Fun times, ahead.

 

[TheDragonator]

Nobody really knows the specifics of what's in those contracts or when, if, and how they would revert back to Marvel. It's all conjecture and wishful thinking among the fandom.

Back to my original point, if they'll make another GR film just to the the IP, then there's zero doubt they'll continue making Spider- movies, which is their top billion dollar franchise.

It's logic.

Well, Blade reverted 7 years after the last film....as did Punisher.