The Amazing Spider-Man: The Game - Part 3

[Alchemyst]

I think it's too soon to tell if Webb will have a "villain theme" raimi really didn't either (sandman and venom for instance) I think both directors are just staying true to the villains origins the best they can

I see what you're saying and I didn't really touch on Spider-Man 3 too much because I've always felt like that was the film Sony wanted but not Sam Raimi

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Basically beenox was like.... "spideys got alot of animal villains, villains created by science, and several who are scientist themselves. Let's merge all that"

Yeah...it's an idea they are taking from the movie and running with, essentially. The Lizard is a scientist with mutated DNA so let's make all the villains along this same line. Personally, I like the idea of recreating the story.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I see what you're saying and I didn't really touch on Spider-Man 3 too much because I've always felt like that was the film Sony wanted but not Sam Raimi

Raimi still wanted and pushed for sandman and his story.... Don't blame Sony for everything. Sam's ideas for spidey 4 we're also horrid

 

[Alchemyst]

Yeah...it's an idea they are taking from the movie and running with, essentially. The Lizard is a scientist with mutated DNA so let's make all the villains along this same line. Personally, I like the idea of recreating the story.

Same here, I like that they are using a certain event to send off a chain event and creating other villains. Good way to knock out a few birds with one stone.

*Nuclear bomb hits NYC* Boom *all of Spider-Man's villains are born*

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

That's not true. The Rami films videogames weren't allowed to use potential likely villains. That's why doc ock wasn't in the first game, why shocker was in most, and why we never got electro.

There's plenty of villains in this game that will never be on film. Sure they're approved... But approved as not to be used as spoilers for future installments

These are not the Raimi films, though. The way things are handled there and here are different. After all, why would the film crew request the game developers to add the utility belt in the first place?

Not really. I think it's more of the case that they may plan on using those things, not that they actively are. Also, I don't think it's necessarily the director and/or writers that get a say in how the game interacts with the movie. It sounds more like a studio thing, I don't see Webb or the writers being able to direct the minutiae like movie tie-in products like that.

Edit: Basically what Spideyboy is saying.

Well, I do agree that not all details will be used in the movies. Some of them may carry over to future games, but not necessarily the films. But like I mentioned, there may be more synergy between those two. These are not the Raimi films and games, where there was little cooperation beyond restricting characters.

Not to mention that, considering some leaked details on some plot points from the new film, it seems to fit some plot elements of the games.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah...it's an idea they are taking from the movie and running with, essentially. The Lizard is a scientist with mutated DNA so let's make all the villains along this same line. Personally, I like the idea of recreating the story.

I like some aspects. Especially for a game. But it'd be ridiculous on film to make every villain an oscorp biproduct... Just as bad as rami felt every spidey villain needed to be personally related to peter....

 

[The Infernal]

Raimi still wanted and pushed for sandman and his story.... Don't blame Sony for everything. Sam's ideas for spidey 4 we're also horrid

Though I think that there is too much unjust Raimi bashing going on these days due to the reboot, I do however agree with this (though I don't hate everything about Sandman's story myself). SM3 was such a mixed bag for me and what had been rumoured about SM4 (Vulturess???) just read like it was designed for eye rolling.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I like some aspects. Especially for a game. But it'd be ridiculous on film to make every villain an oscorp biproduct... Just as bad as rami felt every spidey villain needed to be personally related to peter....

It's been done in both the comics and in animated shows several times over before being done in films. Look back thru Spidey's lore and everyone in Peter's personal life was either a villain or married to one, or related to one.

I don't know that the new Webb movies will incorporate this 'organic' cross-species telling of the villains but it works really well for the game.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I like some aspects. Especially for a game. But it'd be ridiculous on film to make every villain an oscorp biproduct... Just as bad as rami felt every spidey villain needed to be personally related to peter....

Indeed. I already feel they are overdoing that aspect in this game. Seriously, only Black Cat and the Spider-Slayers are different?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

These are not the Raimi films, though. The way things are handled there and here are different. After all, why would the film crew request the game developers to add the utility belt in the first place?



Well, I do agree that not all details will be used in the movies. Some of them may carry over to future games, but not necessarily the films. But like I mentioned, there may be more synergy between those two. These are not the Raimi films and games, where there was little cooperation beyond restricting characters.

Not to mention that, considering some leaked details on some plot points from the new film, it seems to fit some plot elements of the games.

I don't think you understand.... It's still the same studio. And what happens in the movie is canon in the game (thus the belt) but what happens in the game is not canon or carried over to the movie

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Though I think that there is too much unjust Raimi bashing going on these days due to the reboot, I do however agree with this (though I don't hate everything about Sandman's story myself). SM3 was such a mixed bag for me and what had been rumoured about SM4 (Vulturess???) just read like it was designed for eye rolling.

The more I see about the production of ASM, the more I am glad SM4 never got the green light.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I don't think you understand.... It's still the same studio. And what happens in the movie is canon in the game (thus the belt) but what happens in the game is not canon or carried over to the movie

I understand perfectly. I'm not saying what happens in the game is 100% perfectly accurate to what happens in future movies. But the directions the game takes with the story may show any plans the director and producers have for future films.

 

[Alchemyst]

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Raimi still wanted and pushed for sandman and his story.... Don't blame Sony for everything. Sam's ideas for spidey 4 we're also horrid

I'm not blaming them for everything, i was just merely stating my thoughts as to why certain villains weren't used. I do agree with you as far as Raimi's ideas for the proposed 4th film though.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Though I think that there is too much unjust Raimi bashing going on these days due to the reboot, I do however agree with this (though I don't hate everything about Sandman's story myself). SM3 was such a mixed bag for me and what had been rumoured about SM4 (Vulturess???) just read like it was designed for eye rolling.

I just think both parties made and agreed on bad decisions (choosing the emerald armored goblin over that bad ass original look, adding several aspects of Connors to doc icky, the creation of gwenJ and maryStacy, sandman killing uncle Ben, and really the entire venom saga. Sony may have demanded venom but there's zero reason why Rami a horror legend , couldn't get venom right.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Members of Beenox have stated that the films and the game are each their own continuity.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It's been done in both the comics and in animated shows several times over before being done in films. Look back thru Spidey's lore and everyone in Peter's personal life was either a villain or married to one, or related to one.

I don't know that the new Webb movies will incorporate this 'organic' cross-species telling of the villains but it works really well for the game.

Not in origin though. The only true connections we're Norman, venom, hobgoblin (well ned at least), scorpion and lizard.

Sandman never was, ock never was till he hit on aunt may (stupid arc), vulture wasn't till the late 80s when he targeted and killed Nathan, electro, mysterio, etc....

Yes, all his villains have crossed paths (mostly random attacks) with peter or his friends and family, but the villain had no personal connection with him.

Can't a villain just be a person who gains great power and abuses it? Rather than being a tragic mess tied into Peters personal life?

 

[Alchemyst]

I just think both parties made and agreed on bad decisions (choosing the emerald armored goblin over that bad ass original look, adding several aspects of Connors to doc icky, the creation of gwenJ and maryStacy, sandman killing uncle Ben, and really the entire venom saga. Sony may have demanded venom but there's zero reason why Rami a horror legend , couldn't get venom right.

Lemme ask you this, do you think the film would have fared better had Venom not even be included and Spidey just dealt with Harry and Sandman? Honestly, I feel that way, if you can't utilize the character correctly, don't put him in the movie. If they were to include Eddie Brock, I would have hoped they introduce him in maybe the first film and then by the 3rd film, he would have had 2 previous films to develop hatred for Peter

 

[The Infernal]

I understand perfectly. I'm not saying what happens in the game is 100% perfectly accurate to what happens in future movies. But the directions the game takes with the story may show any plans the director and producers have for future films.

Big if, in my opinion. It depends on how much the studio talks to the developers as well as them having a good idea of where the movie sequels will go for a much longer time (I'm not sure if they've even started on the sequel script yet). It doesn't rule them out of co-operating with Beenox with more than "this is how the movie goes and you can't use or touch upon this and that", but it doesn't look well for using the game to see what they might do with future movie instalments.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I understand perfectly. I'm not saying what happens in the game is 100% perfectly accurate to what happens in future movies. But the directions the game takes with the story may show any plans the director and producers have for future films.

I still highly doubt it. At least not where villains are concerned

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Not in origin though. The only true connections we're Norman, venom, hobgoblin (well ned at least), scorpion and lizard.

Sandman never was, ock never was till he hit on aunt may (stupid arc), vulture wasn't till the late 80s when he targeted and killed Nathan, electro, mysterio, etc....

Yes, all his villains have crossed paths (mostly random attacks) with peter or his friends and family, but the villain had no personal connection with him.

Can't a villain just be a person who gains great power and abuses it? Rather than being a tragic mess tied into Peters personal life?

Yes I agree. There doesn't always have to be a personal connection between Peter and the villain but I also don't believe that the original origins of characters must be set in stone. Over the course of time and thru different mediums the story gets retold in new and interesting ways. Some good and some not so good. I like that people are able to twist things into a different perspective and give some of the old ideas a fresh start.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Lemme ask you this, do you think the film would have fared better had Venom not even be included and Spidey just dealt with Harry and Sandman? Honestly, I feel that way, if you can't utilize the character correctly, don't put him in the movie. If they were to include Eddie Brock, I would have hoped they introduce him in maybe the first film and then by the 3rd film, he would have had 2 previous films to develop hatred for Peter

Not if sandman kept the same story. I myself would have really loved a sandman/electro team up with spidey in his black suit. (save venom for 4) sandman should be the powered "thug" he always was, and electro getting suped up, blacking out NYC. Spidey could have tricked electro into blasting sandman, turning him to glass (using his brain) and nearly killing either Harry or electro by end of film. Thus he decides to ditch the suit at the end.

 

[The Infernal]

I just think both parties made and agreed on bad decisions (choosing the emerald armored goblin over that bad ass original look, adding several aspects of Connors to doc icky, the creation of gwenJ and maryStacy, sandman killing uncle Ben, and really the entire venom saga. Sony may have demanded venom but there's zero reason why Rami a horror legend , couldn't get venom right.

Considering that we recently got a look at a prototype for the 'bad ass original look', I'm glad they went with the Power Ranger. To me that would have looked as goofy as the original Green Goblin as he looked in the comics on film (I much prefer one of the pieces of concept art for the look, the one with the arm blades). Plus we don't know (at least I'm not aware) if it came down to budget and was ultimately what Raimi had to go with for the money's worth.

Also, you lose me with a lot of your characterising things. I get the Dock Ock bit, but I'm fine with how the character was in the film. I'm not sure on how MJ was like Gwen or vice versa outside of being introduced in the wrong order. And I just plain disagree on Raimi not being a horror legend. If that weren't true then people wouldn't be continuing to bug Raimi and Campbell for more Evil Dead to the point where there's a remake.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Considering that we recently got a look at a prototype for the 'bad ass original look', I'm glad they went with the Power Ranger. To me that would have looked as goofy as the original Green Goblin look on film (I much prefer one of the pieces of concept art for the look, the one with the arm blades). Plus we don't know (at least I'm not aware) if it came down to budget and was ultimately what Raimi had to go with for the money's worth.

Also, you lose me with a lot of your characterising things. I get the Dock Ock bit, but I'm fine with how the character was in the film. I'm not sure on how MJ was like Gwen or vice versa outside of being introduced in the wrong order. And I just plain disagree on Raimi not being a horror legend. If that weren't true then people wouldn't be continuing to bug Raimi and Campbell for more Evil Dead to the point where there's a remake.

I'm pretty sure that goblin costume was the bladed one (which I loved) it just wasn't complete. I thought the mask was perfect. As for MJ she's always been nick named "gwenj" since spidey one... For her unsassy girl next door qualities and the fact the goblin through her off the bridge. That and she was frumpy compared to the comic version. Add to that Gwen was the model and much sassier and stole comic Mjs characteristics in 3....

And you misread. I said for raimi being a horror legend (which he is) he should have been able to understand and really do a fantastic job with venom. And he didn't

 

[The Infernal]

I'm pretty sure that goblin costume was the bladed one (which I loved) it just wasn't complete. I thought the mask was perfect. As for MJ she's always been nick named "gwenj" since spidey one... For her unsassy girl next door qualities and the fact the goblin through her off the bridge. That and she was frumpy compared to the comic version. Add to that Gwen was the model and much sassier and stole comic Mjs characteristics in 3....

And you misread. I said for raimi being a horror legend (which he is) he should have been able to understand and really do a fantastic job with venom. And he didn't

I see where I misread it. No worries. Though I was never saying that he got Venom right either.

Personally I thought the mask they showed recently just looked awful and goofy. Plus I always assumed that concept art was a more armoured look, but then it looked like it was in silhouette. I'm just not a fan of the smurf hat look.

Also, I see what you're saying about MJ, though I must have missed much of the GwenJ jibes (though I remember the Snagglepuss crap people would give Dunst). Though I did get the bridge thing, but that never really bothered me because there was no Gwen until SM3. I guess those things just never stood out to me, but then I don't read all the comics and haven't read them for quite a while either.

 

[Alchemyst]

Not if sandman kept the same story. I myself would have really loved a sandman/electro team up with spidey in his black suit. (save venom for 4) sandman should be the powered "thug" he always was, and electro getting suped up, blacking out NYC. Spidey could have tricked electro into blasting sandman, turning him to glass (using his brain) and nearly killing either Harry or electro by end of film. Thus he decides to ditch the suit at the end.

I totally agree with you on that, and picturing your post in my mind already came across better than what we ended up getting