The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 2

[moraldeficiency]

I did like seeing aunt may dress down wolverine and peter punch him through a high rise window, good times.

 

[spider13]

does anybody no what the next issue of spider man going to be about.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And Deb only came back thanks to Peter David, not JMS, and it was for what? 2, 3 issues?

And PAD had also decided to make Flash a "puny parker" man again... regressing him to the 60's...

and look at how many characters slott has regressed? (peter parker (until big time), mary jane, black cat, just to name a few)

FNS was canceled about a year after they started bringing back a supporting cast. I have no doubt this trend would have continued... didn't betty also make appearances in the book?

and im not arguing about JMS.. he destroyed peter's social life and capitalized on the "marriage = boring " which is totally untrue (he just wrote it that way)

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I don't see a bit of that in this issue at all. I see MJ covering for Peter (since she knows he's Spider-Man). I see MJ helping Aunt May move. I see Peter giving MJ the Tour of Memories at May's house. And I see MJ and Peter having a conversation about his worries about Aunt May being in danger because he's Spider-Man.

Where is this hint of "their past being mocked or constantly dismissed as stupid" or any sign of the writers showing "how low she is on the list of Peter's life"?

to me it was subtle there but very subtle at the end in the hospital

"can't believe he made..... or that he finally turned off his spider-side for on of us"

the way i took that was again peter is able to stop everything he does as spidey for anyone else expect for MJ, therefore again reinforcing the fact that she's not good enough for him

it wasn't as blatantly obvious as to pages of them laughing at the idea of living together but the intention was still there.

do i perfer the 2 character together yes, but i've come to the conclusion that marvel is not going that route now or if ever, i just find it really moronic that even after all the OMD/BND critics have stopped marvel themselves can not

 

[imdaly]

to me it was subtle there but very subtle at the end in the hospital


the way i took that was again peter is able to stop everything he does as spidey for anyone else expect for MJ, therefore again reinforcing the fact that she's not good enough for him

it wasn't as blatantly obvious as to pages of them laughing at the idea of living together but the intention was still there.

do i perfer the 2 character together yes, but i've come to the conclusion that marvel is not going that route now or if ever, i just find it really moronic that even after all the OMD/BND critics have stopped marvel themselves can not

I just don't see that at all, especially if you pay attention to where she places her emphasis. She says "I can't believe that he made it." and then thought to herself "or that he finally turned off his spider-side...for one of us". Now I might agree with you more if she instead thought "or that he finally turned off his spider-side...for one of us". THEN I could read that as MJ being annoyed that Pete would sacrifice something for someone else but not her. But instead it reads that she's honestly impressed that he was able to set aside his being Spider-Man for someone in his Peter Parker life. Sure there may be a bit of bitterness there, but because thinks he seems to always be putting Spider-Man first in front of EVERYONE, not just MJ.

Again, maybe I misunderstood Slott's intentions myself, but I honestly don't think I did.

 

[Dan_Slott]

and look at how many characters slott has regressed? (peter parker (until big time)....

New job, moving up in the world, taking on more Peter Parker AND super hero responsibilities...

mary jane...

How have *I* regressed her? Very confused on this one. (Wait... are you reading the book now?)

black cat...

Training with Spidey in the hopes of being an Avenger. That's new, right?

just to name a few)

Very few. I love how "regression" is being tossed around as a "talking-point." Nice sounding buzzword when you're trying to slam the Spidey book.

 

[Dan_Slott]

to me it was subtle there but very subtle at the end in the hospital

It's weird reading posts from people that really WANT to hate on the book. Some of these scenes apparently read like Rorschach Tests, saying WAY more about the way some readers interpret them, instead of what's on the actual page.

...i just find it really moronic that even after all the OMD/BND critics have stopped marvel themselves can not

Have you BEEN around the internet lately?

 

[SpideyForPrez]

I don't know why you waste your time defending yourself to the cynics on these boards, Dan. I for one haven't enjoyed ASM this much since I was kid reading Stan Lee stories. I especially like that Peter got himself published. It's little things like that that have been making your run great!

BTW, we could really use you on another Avengers title. Yes, I know I'm a suck up.

 

[Dread]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33476

Sigh. Once again Marvel pokes a stick at the Ben Reilly fans.

I just don't see the appeal.

 

[runawayboulder]

They've been teasing his return for almost 2 years now.

 

[Shockdingo]

It begins again....

 

[spiderbob]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33476

Sigh. Once again Marvel pokes a stick at the Ben Reilly fans.

I just don't see the appeal.

How would he even come back? He was beaten, tortured, caught in a pumpkin bomb explosion, impaled by a glider, dropped twenty plus stories free fall, and then disintegrated into dust and blew away in the wind.

What, is the Jackal going around New York with a giant vacuum, picking up all stray dust in the city over the last several years, testing it to see whether or not it's genetic in nature, and then whether or not its Ben Reilly's, and after assembling all such particles in the city, reconstructing the clone like a poor man's humpty dumpty?

Aside from trying to pull a Tim Drake and clone a copy of your clone as close to the intended person as possible, using him for a substitute to who was lost, I don't see how you can do it.

Magic maybe? Time travel? Maybe a back up body was kept in storage for whatever reason and the moment of his death initiated a wireless transfer of Ben Reilly's brainwaves and memories into said body, keeping the mind intact just in a different shell?

I know it's comic books and pretty much anything goes when they want it to, but Ben's death was among the most thorough. It'll take some heavy BS to write him back into existence.

And at the end of the day, for what purpose? Why do we need or want him back?

 

[SpideyForPrez]

Well I like Ben Reilly, so I'll be happy to see him depending on how he comes back. His death was pretty darn final. He better not be a clone of a clone. That would be the dumbest thing ever.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think it was established that Ben couldn't have disintergrated, so that particulat "aspect" of his death is what most Relly fans claim that the person we saw "die" was just another clone and that the "real" Ben Reilly is still out there somewhere....

 

[spiderbob]

I think it was established that Ben couldn't have disintergrated, so that particulat "aspect" of his death is what most Relly fans claim that the person we saw "die" was just another clone and that the "real" Ben Reilly is still out there somewhere....

Why could he not? I figured it was due to his clone degeneration coupled with his body being beaten to death.

And if he is out there somewhere still, at what point did he leave and become replaced? Wouldn't Osborn, the mastermind behind the whole thing, know which witch is which? He could certainly keep track of Peter well enough. Or did he just not care?

I don't mean to come off as confrontational, and I have nothing personal against the character, I just don't want to see a needless return under the premise of "because we can".

 

[WolfCypher]

Well I like Ben Reilly, so I'll be happy to see him depending on how he comes back.

Marvel will reveal that after OMD, he was in Europe the whole time. That seems to be the safest route Marvel takes with their Spidey characters. At least in the past. Mary-Jane, Felicia, Gwen, Norman, Harry, Gwen-Norman lovechild 1, Gwen-Norman lovechild 2...

 

[SpideyInATree]

How would he even come back? He was beaten, tortured, caught in a pumpkin bomb explosion, impaled by a glider, dropped twenty plus stories free fall, and then disintegrated into dust and blew away in the wind.

What, is the Jackal going around New York with a giant vacuum, picking up all stray dust in the city over the last several years, testing it to see whether or not it's genetic in nature, and then whether or not its Ben Reilly's, and after assembling all such particles in the city, reconstructing the clone like a poor man's humpty dumpty?

Aside from trying to pull a Tim Drake and clone a copy of your clone as close to the intended person as possible, using him for a substitute to who was lost, I don't see how you can do it.

Magic maybe? Time travel? Maybe a back up body was kept in storage for whatever reason and the moment of his death initiated a wireless transfer of Ben Reilly's brainwaves and memories into said body, keeping the mind intact just in a different shell?

I know it's comic books and pretty much anything goes when they want it to, but Ben's death was among the most thorough. It'll take some heavy BS to write him back into existence.

And at the end of the day, for what purpose? Why do we need or want him back?

The purpose is that the character has fans that would happily place money down at his return.

Plus they can bring him back anyway they want. It's a comic book. It's a comic book in which the main character is bitten by a radioactive spider, magically lives, and has spider-like powers for the rest of his life. If you can read stories about that and find that believable then I'm sure bringing back Ben Reilly should be no problem.

However, it will never happen. As I've said...I'll believe it when I actually see it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Can't wait until tommorow!

 

[spiderbob]

Marvel will reveal that after OMD, he was in Europe the whole time. That seems to be the safest route Marvel takes with their Spidey characters. At least in the past. Mary-Jane, Felicia, Gwen, Norman, Harry, Gwen-Norman lovechild 1, Gwen-Norman lovechild 2...

I wonder if they all subscribe to the same frequent flyer plan? Some one has to have won an all expenses paid for trip by now.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

It's weird reading posts from people that really WANT to hate on the book. Some of these scenes apparently read like Rorschach Tests, saying WAY more about the way some readers interpret them, instead of what's on the actual page.

Have you BEEN around the internet lately?

i don't want to hate the book, and i don't. actually this element was the first i really maoned about on these boards, hell spidey is the one book that has survived my massive marvel comic cull over the past few months.

i enjoy what they have done with the book, the new hobgoblin, the interaction with the other heros( i do wish he would reveal his ID to the rest of the avengers but that's tied up in other books so i can understand it.) the idea that he has matured and got himself a decent job. though for a personal preference i wouldn't mind seeing the photography aspect of the character making somewhat of a comeback. just due to my own career influenced by spider-man comics

as for the the panel in question its just the way i read it, i may have seen more than was intended but can you really blame people for this when in the past we have had real jokes at the idea of them as a couple. i just feel that for a character with such a history in the comics MJ has been pushed to the side quite a bit. though i did enjoy the part of issue 666 with the thing giving stick about him being an idiot for letting her go. i grew up reading peter and MJ as a couple so for me that seems like a natural fit.

carlie much like gwen does not interest me as a character. this isn't due to the current way she is written but more to the way she was introduced and the foundations of her were set up. she's seems just too perfect its unbelievable, in my opinion. hell i even thought there was a possibility she could have been menace at the beginning it would have been a nice twist i honestly just find her boring. where as other characters like norah or felica have an edge to them(though both polar opposites).

and as for the second comment i can honestly say between here and the other 2 comic boards i post at 98% pf people have moved on and stopped moaning about BND/OMD, yes people are still annoyed and do not like the story as a whole(myself included) but it rarely affects my opinion of the current book, unless like this instance i feel that it was another dig at a group of the fan base

but like all art forms writing is subjective and can be interpreted in many ways. trust me i know from my own experiences. I managed to convince an art critic that a shot of the disney castle with fireworks was an analogy of the american dream and the iraq war t:

 

[runawayboulder]

So after reading ASM #666 twisted does anyone have any thoughts on

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who the mystery woman is that is pulling the Jackal's strings? My first guesses would be Gwen's clone, Sarah Stacy or Liz Allen.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

So after reading ASM #666 twisted does anyone have any thoughts on

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who the mystery woman is that is pulling the Jackal's strings? My first guesses would be Gwen's clone, Sarah Stacy or Liz Allen.

$5 on it being

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the insect queen that turned peter into a giant spider when he got his organics, look at the art design, the chin an seems almost identical. plus i think she's wearing a black choker

 

[stillanerd]

$5 on it being

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the insect queen that turned peter into a giant spider when he got his organics, look at the art design, the chin an seems almost identical. plus i think she's wearing a black choker

Yeah, that's definitely the most likely person it could be. Another possibility is that it's

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Miss Arrow from "The Other: Evolve or Die," perhaps in a different body. Either way, if it's the Queen or Miss Arrow, I have a feeling that the reason why the panels are hiding what she looks like is because the twist will be that the mastermind looks like Gwen Stacy. That way, she has a psychological edge over the Jackal, hence why he's obeying her, but also Peter because she now looks like the woman whom he loved.

Oh, and speaking of mystery identities

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Anyone else get a Ben Reilly vibe from the "perfect specimen" in the cyro-tube that was given to the Jackal as a "present" and later mutated?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

$5 on it being

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the insect queen that turned peter into a giant spider when he got his organics, look at the art design, the chin an seems almost identical. plus i think she's wearing a black choker

I couldn't agree more.

 

[runawayboulder]

Oh, and speaking of mystery identities

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Anyone else get a Ben Reilly vibe from the "perfect specimen" in the cyro-tube that was given to the Jackal as a "present" and later mutated?

Yeah, I totally thought that as well. I had to go back and re-read the scene to realize it was really

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Kaine

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