The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 2

[spideyboy_1111]

See, this is the worst part of having the Jackal back in Spider-Island. If it's good (and we all know Slott will make it good) people are going to convince themselves The Clone Saga was the greatest story in the history of comics. If you lived through that storyline and think that it was good, you are clearly living a LIE.

well.... that's incredibly debatable, because the very reason why most people hated the clone saga was because of the fact it tried to convince us that the peter parker we've been reading for decades, was a clone, not the real one. And that pissed alot of people off. In fact... i'd say post clone saga stories up until JMS started writing were even worse. There were just several other things that made fans turn there heads and disgust around that time that really didn't have anything to do with the clone saga. (ock's death and resurrection, the return of Norman Osborn, aunt may's death being that of an imposter, etc.. etc..) I really think we've had far far worse stories... but because of that soul knot in peoples stomachs over the simple thought of peter being a clone ... left the rest of the saga with a bad taste.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i wonder if the Gwen clone will show up in this at all... i mean she never was killed off

 

[runawayboulder]

There were just several other things that made fans turn there heads and disgust around that time that really didn't have anything to do with the clone saga. (ock's death and resurrection, the return of Norman Osborn, aunt may's death being that of an imposter, etc.. etc..)

All of those things you just described were stories that were undoing things that happened in the Cone Saga.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

All of those things you just described were stories that were undoing things that happened in the Cone Saga.

which imo made them worse than the clone saga stories them selves...

most people really felt touched when Aunt May died for instance... and thought that was well done (till of course we found out it was an actress and they created this big hoopla and traumatic event that suddenly no one talks about and she acts as if nothing ever happened, similar to the way they tried to undo and forget about baby may)

 

[runawayboulder]

You wouldn't have to clean a mess if you didn't make one to begin with.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You wouldn't have to clean a mess if you didn't make one to begin with.

I don't really feel like killing off Aunt May was a mess... i thought it was well done. Bringing her back was a convoluted mess... so was not following through with the baby may story..

 

[runawayboulder]

Killing Aunt May was a comic of the year nominee but it was the poster child for the major detractor with the Clone Saga, the greatest supporting cast in all of comics was cast aside. Out with the old and in with the new whether you like it or not....that goes for you too granny.

Osborn returning was one of the coolest things ever.....until you realized 3 months later, Marvel had NO CLUE what to do with him. They never did, they just needed to make a splash in ending the Clone Sage, kinda like an incentive. It took 10 years and Warren Ellis to make him interesting.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Killing Aunt May was a comic of the year nominee but it was the poster child for the major detractor with the Clone Saga, the greatest supporting cast in all of comics was cast aside. Out with the old and in with the new whether you like it or not....that goes for you too granny.

Osborn returning was one of the coolest things ever.....until you realized 3 months later, Marvel had NO CLUE what to do with him. They never did, they just needed to make a splash in ending the Clone Sage, kinda like an incentive. It took 10 years and Warren Ellis to make him interesting.

I still go with my point.. "cleaning up" the clone saga (Which they actually did pretty poorly) imo made the clone saga even more of a mess, and the post clone saga stories were even worse. The clone saga as a whole, if you look at it from a non-political view, and know for a fact that peter was not the real clone... it's honestly not that bad. Sin's Past, One More Day, and i'd argue some of the first parts of BND were far worse.

 

[runawayboulder]

Sin's Past was equally as bad as the Clone Saga. OMD was way worse. When BND started, I was more content with the fact that this was the Spider-Man being forced down on me. It was either BND or Ultimate Spider-Man and I'd rather stab my eyes out with pencils than read USM. I wasn't going to drop ASM all-together because I have been a life long Spidey fan. It's hard to walk away from something you've been into your whole life.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sin's Past was equally as bad as the Clone Saga. OMD was way worse. When BND started, I was more content with the fact that this was the Spider-Man being forced down on me. It was either BND or Ultimate Spider-Man and I'd rather stab my eyes out with pencils than read USM. I wasn't going to drop ASM all-together because I have been a life long Spidey fan. It's hard to walk away from something you've been into your whole life.

ill agree to that... which is why it took me till the end of the kraven arc to finally drop the book. I'm sure someday when things are more financially foreseeability, and I feel like the book is more along the lines of something i agree with, i'll probably go back and buy the issues i missed.. but I'm happy i stopped where i did.

 

[Will Nolte]

Personally, I think the Kraven arc is where stuff finally started to pick back up again. Since then I've found everything more interesting than anything that happened in OMD.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Personally, I think the Kraven arc is where stuff finally started to pick back up again. Since then I've found everything more interesting than anything that happened in OMD.

id agree to that if OMIT didn't come right after that... I didn't want to stomach that, so jumped ship

 

[Dread]

Sales tallies are in, and AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #666 was the top book in July 2011. Not only that, it sold less than 200 copies shy of FEAR ITSELF #1, and that's with an initial print. A reprint is inevitable and it'll likely outsell FI #1 with that.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-07.html

Congrats, Dan Slott!

 

[Spidey_62]

Did anybody read Spider-Island: Deadly Foes? That was great, too. There's some interesting stuff with the Gwen Stacy clone in the Jackal story in that.

 

[Dread]

Did anybody read Spider-Island: Deadly Foes? That was great, too. There's some interesting stuff with the Gwen Stacy clone in the Jackal story in that.

I would have, but my shop didn't have it when I got there. Instead I got SPIDER-ISLAND: CLOAK AND DAGGER #1, which I didn't regret, either.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Did anybody read Spider-Island: Deadly Foes? That was great, too. There's some interesting stuff with the Gwen Stacy clone in the Jackal story in that.

was that a flash back? or current story? i always wondered what happened to the gwen clone

 

[Russell Nash]

Read #667, I have to say that Humberto Ramos' art is extremely ugly as usual. I'm guessing that after Spider Island and Fear Itself, Marvel will pull a DC and relaunch all of its titles because more money is always more advantageous.

 

[runawayboulder]

Um.........yeah they already have relaunched everything. Cap, Avengers, FF, Thor, Iron Man, DD, Punisher have all been relaunched over the course of the past 2-3 years, the majority of that group occurring in the past 18 months. Uncanny X-Men is on tap and I'm sure the Thunderbolts won't be far behind.

The DC relaunch hasn't happened yet, you can't deem it a success until it actually is one. This way of thinking with the big 2 as of late is very dangerous. This could blow up in their faces if they are not careful. Clearly nobody remembers the speculator bubble crash back in the 90's. Publishers including Marvel and DC barely walked away from that one. The next hard dose of a reality check could be the death knell so to speak for the industry and drastically change the landscape now that things are moving from away from print and more to digital.

What happens in a few months when there's hundreds of thousands of copies just sitting on the racks unsold? You'll see an already dying breed of comic shops lose a ton of money. If I was a comic store owner I would not order a massive amount of extra copies of these #1's.

Clearly fans are buying into this nonsense DC has put out there, we'll see what happens when you actually have to walk up to the counter and open your wallet.....

 

[Themanofbat]

Fantastic Four #600 announced for November... so a relaunch back to original numebring... again...

 

[Themanofbat]

I would have, but my shop didn't have it when I got there. Instead I got SPIDER-ISLAND: CLOAK AND DAGGER #1, which I didn't regret, either.

Yeah, I only read the first half of the issue, but I was digging it...

 

[stillanerd]

Double post.

 

[stillanerd]

Quick thoughts on Amazing Spider-Man #667:

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I thought this issue was just okay, really. Ramos' did a great job, I thought, as his art fits the wild and crazy nature of the story, and the scene with MJ was good as well. Carlie was particularly annoying to me, but to be fair, she was supposed to be that way, what with her being over-enthusiastic about her powers and Peter thinking she's already getting in way over her head. I also thought that while the scene between Peter and Aunt May was nice, it was rather superfluous as they had a far more effective goodbye scene in the back-up for issue #665. And yes, Julia Carpenter as the new Madame Web is pretty dang cold what with her preserving the "web of life," even to the point of allowing the Jackal to form his army of Spider-Criminals--which caused the very chaos she supposedly wants Spidey to stop--as well as letting Spidey get beat up by his own allies just so he can learn a "valuable lesson."

BTW, anyone else notice this? Wolverine is there with the other heroes fighting the Jackal's "Spider-Crooks." He knows Peter is Spider-Man. He also has a heightened sense of smell that allows him to discern particular people even within a crowd. So how come he didn't alert the other heroes that the real Spidey had arrived and thus stop them from beating Spidey up?

 

[runawayboulder]

I think during all of Spider-Island we are not going to see Peter in costume at all. This seems to be building towards Peter Parker saving the day and not Spider-Man. This could, from the perspective of the supporting cast separate the 2 persona's of Peter Parker and Spider-Man on a Grand Canyon size scale for the years to come.

My guess is Slott trying to put the still unanswered questions about the blind-spot far back in the rear view mirror. As for your Wolverine point Stillanerd:

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You're right on point but considering Slott does a great job with continuity all the time, I'm willing to consider it an over sight and ignore it. I'll chalk it up to in the heat of the battle, Logan had no chance to warn the fellow heroes about the "real" Spider-Man.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I don't see what's so wrong with the jackal a super genius with better skills than mister sinister being the mastermind.

nothing but they have constantly showing him taking orders from a woman in a black dress

i wonder if the Gwen clone will show up in this at all... i mean she never was killed off

if you read SI deadly foes they tie up that loose end

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Um.........yeah they already have relaunched everything. Cap, Avengers, FF, Thor, Iron Man, DD, Punisher have all been relaunched over the course of the past 2-3 years, the majority of that group occurring in the past 18 months. Uncanny X-Men is on tap and I'm sure the Thunderbolts won't be far behind.

The DC relaunch hasn't happened yet, you can't deem it a success until it actually is one. This way of thinking with the big 2 as of late is very dangerous. This could blow up in their faces if they are not careful. Clearly nobody remembers the speculator bubble crash back in the 90's. Publishers including Marvel and DC barely walked away from that one. The next hard dose of a reality check could be the death knell so to speak for the industry and drastically change the landscape now that things are moving from away from print and more to digital.

What happens in a few months when there's hundreds of thousands of copies just sitting on the racks unsold? You'll see an already dying breed of comic shops lose a ton of money. If I was a comic store owner I would not order a massive amount of extra copies of these #1's.

Clearly fans are buying into this nonsense DC has put out there, we'll see what happens when you actually have to walk up to the counter and open your wallet.....

well... unlike DC when Marvel Relaunches.. its usually just renumbering or retitling of a book. Not reformatting and rewriting the stories. The old continuity, and stories still stick. Spidey seems to be the only one close to a dc relaunch with BND and past things that have been ignored (like certain things in the clone saga)