The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 2

[runawayboulder]

It may take a few hours for it to grow. I think there's a script that runs for the site every so often that updates your status.

 

[stillanerd]

Finally got a chance to read ASM # 670. A HUGE improvement from the previous three issues. Could that have been because there was absolutely no Carlie Cooper? Hmm...maybe?

I'm serious here, people. I am NOT a fan of Mary Jane...never have been and the fact that they ended the marriage warmed my heart. Now never had a problem with Carlie Cooper until I'd say the past four to five months where it seems she is being forced down our throats. Now if the plan is to make me HATE Carlie Cooper and fall in love with MJ and root for her and want to see her and Peter get back together...then I say to Marvel and Dan Slott that you are truly brilliant and deserve to be toted the greatest mainstream comic creative team EVER! Because that's exactly what's happening! I'm actually ROOTING for MJ. When she got the spider powers in this issue I freakin' cheered. I actually shouted, "YES!". Yeah, me...the guy who has hated MJ since basically the beginning of his Spider-Man reading back in 1993.

So, if this is the plan...to get Peter and MJ back together it's a brilliant idea. However, I HIGHLY doubt that is what is happening but I'm sticking out the rest of Spider-Island to see how it turns out. However, once Spider-Island is over I will not being reading Spider-Man any longer.

The new DC books have kind of taken over and Spider-Island is VERY lackluster. I agree with runawayboulder...this is not a "huge" event more along the lines of those tiny Spider-Man events in the early 90's and late 80's. I'm also not a fan of Carlie Cooper, obviously, and I really don't see having her stuffed down our throats stopping anytime soon. I'm sure she'll get cured from the Spider-Island nonsense.

If they do go with the storyline of getting Peter/MJ back together I'll probably come back to the book. Or if Marcos Martin returns to the artwork duties...other than that I'm out. Because that's now 8 extra bucks a month I have to work with and I can get about three of the new DC books for just about the price of the two ASM titles.

So you've seen the light, eh SIAT. Seriously, though, I agree that Carlie, while she looks good on paper, has always been a character who has dangerously waded in the waters of Lake Mary Sue, but in "Spider-Island" she's been swimming in it, at least for the first three parts. That's been one of the downsides to this story arc, IMO.

The other is what appears to be happening in this issue, in that while Slott does a good job of keeping everything together, there's so many different story threads going on that we barely spend any time Spider-Man, even though he's the titular character of the comic. In particular, this issue spent a lot of it's panel time referencing and even replicating scenes from the various tie-in issues. I suppose the scenes from Venom #7 make sense (and yes, that was a really good issue) but did we really need to spend two panels showing the X-Men? Hopefully, the last two issues will tighten up the story.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So you've seen the light, eh SIAT. Seriously, though, I agree that Carlie, while she looks good on paper, has always been a character who has dangerously waded in the waters of Lake Mary Sue, but in "Spider-Island" she's been swimming in it, at least for the first three parts. That's been one of the downsides to this story arc, IMO.

i gotta agree. I think on paper, people always think that 2 people are a perfect match in they're exactly the same. Carlie seems like Peter's perfect match, because she is almost like a female Peter Parker. But in reality... those end up being the most boring couples and run out of interest pretty fast.

 

[Kitsune]

she does now.. isn't Arana caring that title ?

NANANANANA!!!!! I CAN'T HEAR YOU.....

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanonDiscontinuity



(smiley to indicate that this is a feeble attempt at humor)

 

[MOVIELORD101]

OMG just saw the news regarding ASM #671. I almost creamed my pants.

http://t.co/AEA3bmKC

 

[runawayboulder]

That's been known for months.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

I've been out of the loop. It's kinda new to me!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

OMG just saw the news regarding ASM #671. I almost creamed my pants.

http://t.co/AEA3bmKC

That would be kind of cool if Humberto Ramos weren't drawing it.

Although... swinging through the air in a skirt? Come on, MJ. You know better.

 

[GammaAzazel]

That would be kind of cool if Humberto Ramos weren't drawing it.

Although... swinging through the air in a skirt? Come on, MJ. You know better.

You think she's giving baddies a look at what a decent woman looks like before she ends them? Lol. Sort of a "novocaine" if you will. :P

 

[Godzilla2014]

Why the hell can most everyone else with "spider-powers" shoot webs (in some form) naturally other than Spider-Man himself (except for Jessica Drew, the original Spider-Woman)? The people of Manhattan have biological webshooters, Julia Carpenter had psionic webbing as Spider-Woman II, et cetera.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, Peter could shoot organic webs AFTER his encounter with the Queen, so if she's responsible, along with the Jackal, for NYers transformations, then it would only stand to reason that they can...

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well, Peter could shoot organic webs AFTER his encounter with the Queen, so if she's responsible, along with the Jackal, for NYers transformations, then it would only stand to reason that they can...

Or Marvel could just be incredibly lazy and forgot that Peter needed web shooters to, you know, shoot webs.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think that the Queen's involvemnet comes into play... Dan's too good with continuity and it's too easy to say "Marvel's lazy"... which I agree that they are most times, but not "every" time...

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think that the Queen's involvemnet comes into play... Dan's too good with continuity and it's too easy to say "Marvel's lazy"... which I agree that they are most times, but not "every" time...

Still, doesn't this mean that Peter Parker is now the least powerful "spider-person" in all of Manhattan? He has neither biological webshooters nor a spider-sense. I still don't like the omission of that last one.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's been known for months.

True, but it's still cool to think about, lol.

 

[Shockdingo]

Still, doesn't this mean that Peter Parker is now the least powerful "spider-person" in all of Manhattan? He has neither biological webshooters nor a spider-sense. I still don't like the omission of that last one.

Actually no, he's actually better off than all of them. Carlie was going off half cocked and ran into some D-list super villains with Spider powers and almost got killed due to her complete lack of combat experience; after a millisecond, her powers didn't matter since she's never fought a supervillain. Since Peter has lost his spider sense, he's been training with Shang Chi and has developed his own fighting style. This has made him very very dangerous; it didn't matter that the baddies had spider senses, he got in close and though they'd buzz they just couldn't handle his close quarters combat and bursts of speed. (MEAL GEAAAARRRUHHHHHHaaaa)

About the webshooters, he recently developed new ones with different shooting modes and voice activated commands. Also, Carlie in her long investigation hasn't had much time to eat, so she ran low on webs.

Pete's troubles made him adapt and over compensate, so he's still the superior Spider man because of experience and tactics. He knows what he's getting into while all the rookies are still going "holy crap, I've got webs! Hardcore!"

 

[stillanerd]

Actually no, he's actually better off than all of them. Carlie was going off half cocked and ran into some D-list super villains with Spider powers and almost got killed due to her complete lack of combat experience; after a millisecond, her powers didn't matter since she's never fought a supervillain. Since Peter has lost his spider sense, he's been training with Shang Chi and has developed his own fighting style. This has made him very very dangerous; it didn't matter that the baddies had spider senses, he got in close and though they'd buzz they just couldn't handle his close quarters combat and bursts of speed. (MEAL GEAAAARRRUHHHHHHaaaa)

About the webshooters, he recently developed new ones with different shooting modes and voice activated commands. Also, Carlie in her long investigation hasn't had much time to eat, so she ran low on webs.

Pete's troubles made him adapt and over compensate, so he's still the superior Spider man because of experience and tactics. He knows what he's getting into while all the rookies are still going "holy crap, I've got webs! Hardcore!"

I think you bring up a rather interesting irony that really underscores the major difference between Carlie and Mary Jane, which in turn really speaks volumes about their overall characterization.

As you noted, Carlie throughout "Spider-Island" was saying in so many words that, because she's a trained as a police officer, this makes far more qualified and experienced in using her new spider-powers than anyone else and that she automatically has what it takes to be an effective superhero. But when it came to actually fighting super-villains--and you said, D-list supervillians at that--she was totally outclassed. And, after Peter saved her, rather than acknowledge that she may have gotten carried away, that she's in over her head more than realized, or even saying thank you to Peter, she, while initially amazed at his kung-fu skill, instantly demands why he didn't pull those moves sooner and gets annoyed at him. Granted, as she later teamed-up with Spider-Man against the Shocker, she genuinely wants to help, and while Spidey appreciated her help in the past, he rightly told her that she's not nearly as experienced in these matters as she thinks she is.

Meanwhile, here you have Mary Jane who, while certainly not having the level of training or education that Carlie had when it comes to law enforcement, has, because of her relationship with Peter, dealt with the kind of crap he's gone through first-hand. Sure she says in these preview pages that she finally and fully understands Peter's mantra of "with great power comes greater responsibility" because of having these spider-powers, she actually has a far better idea of what she's getting herself into moreso than everyone else who newly acquired spider-powers despite her limitations. And when she chooses to help the people in the church even though she really wants to get the hell away from the spider-creatures, she is behaving far closer to what Peter himself would do and feel in this exact same situation.

Dare I say it, but Carlie is trying to prove she can be a hero while MJ is actually being one.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Actually no, he's actually better off than all of them. Carlie was going off half cocked and ran into some D-list super villains with Spider powers and almost got killed due to her complete lack of combat experience; after a millisecond, her powers didn't matter since she's never fought a supervillain. Since Peter has lost his spider sense, he's been training with Shang Chi and has developed his own fighting style. This has made him very very dangerous; it didn't matter that the baddies had spider senses, he got in close and though they'd buzz they just couldn't handle his close quarters combat and bursts of speed. (MEAL GEAAAARRRUHHHHHHaaaa)

About the webshooters, he recently developed new ones with different shooting modes and voice activated commands. Also, Carlie in her long investigation hasn't had much time to eat, so she ran low on webs.

Pete's troubles made him adapt and over compensate, so he's still the superior Spider man because of experience and tactics. He knows what he's getting into while all the rookies are still going "holy crap, I've got webs! Hardcore!"

Still, he has to compensate for his lack of those powers. He needs a bulletproof costume that weighs him down because he has no spider-sense, and he has to use mechanical webshooters because he doesn't have biological webshooters.

 

[Shockdingo]

StillANerd: Huh, cool, I didn't think about it that way!

Godzilla:True he's compensating, but the point still stands that he's not weaker or the weakest Spider in Spider Island. I wasn't all that happy when I heard Spidey lost his spidey sense, but it's been an interesting path, and above all, it still shows why he's a hero to be taken seriously. He's lost a major part of his arsenal, but is handling things and is far from helpless. He now even through the losses has new ADVANTAGES.

Normal NYcers webbing: Natural and plentiful, but without the knowledge of dietary requirements, they could quickly run out if they overtax themselves. Limited to trial and error for web skills.

Pete: Limited supply, but knows how much extra canisters to carry. Can exchange canisters for specialized webbing. From years of experience in having organic and artificial webshooters, has a variety of tricks and skills. With new web shooters, can achieved new web moves and weapons.

NyCers strength and spider abilities: Strong and agile, can be a nuisance

Spidey: Knows his limits and how to press foreward. Knows when not to over stress himself. With "way of Spider" martial arts, he has incredible combat advantage, can fight over Spiders with fully functioning Spidey senses and trump them senseless with minimal effort. Combine this with his over a decade (in comics he said he started when he was 15 during the Civil War reveal) worth of improvised fighting, he still is capable of fighting these guys.

They have a spidey sense and he doesn't, that's a significant factor, but as I said above, with his new style, he gets in so close and hits so hard and fast that his opponents register danger but don't have time to stop him. Also, it seems a bit later that the heroes started placing Spidey sense jammers around the city.

Not a lot of heroes could so easily shift into their new role. Wolverine losing his healing factor for the foreseeable future would be a huge detriment; he'd have to change from a largely offensive fighter into a defensive one. And even if he found ways to survive his bouts with minimal injury, he'd still have deal with adamantium poisoning.

 

[Dan_Slott]

For Amazing Spider-Man #671 discussion *Please Use Spoilers*

Hi. Just wanted to get ahead of this one, because it's come to my attention that some advance copies have gotten out.

Can you all do me a favor when discussing ASM #671?
Can you please use spoiler tags and hidden text doo-dads...
[blackout]You know, like this[/blackout]
...when talking about some of the... surprises? ;-)

Thanks.

 

[Shockdingo]

Gotcha, wont discuss Uncle Ben's return as Dapper Doom from Earth 404.

 

[Dan_Slott]

Gotcha, wont discuss Uncle Ben's return as Dapper Doom from Earth 404.

Good man. :-D

 

[Kitsune]

For Amazing Spider-Man #671 discussion *Please Use Spoilers*

Hi. Just wanted to get ahead of this one, because it's come to my attention that some advance copies have gotten out.

Can you all do me a favor when discussing ASM #671?
Can you please use spoiler tags and hidden text doo-dads...
[blackout]You know, like this[/blackout]
...when talking about some of the... surprises? ;-)

Thanks.

Or like this?

Spoiler

Rosebud was his sleigh

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, Dan has a way better avatar here than on CBR. I somehow take that as a point of pride.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Based on that preview, I'm hoping things bode well for Pete & MJ! t: