The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 3

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I guess I'm too much of an old school purist for Marvel NOW. I remember when they would just slap a "new creative team", "new era" or "new direction" label on the cover and keep it moving instead of starting over from a new #1 all the time.

I'm glad to see that Dan is loyal to his company though. Maybe he'll end up as Marvel's EiC one day. :up:
 
Wouldn't "old schoolers" be more concerned about the actual stories inside the cover than the numbers on the front? :confused:
 
Considering we're both too young to even be considered old schoolers, maybe we should both shut up. :confused:
 
What would constitute an old schooler? I've been reading Spider-Man monthly since 1993 with a break between 1999 and 2002. So, we'll say I've got about 16 years under my belt. I'd kind of consider myself an old school reader.

However, I have nothing on TMOB. :oldrazz:
 
I don't recall if I started in '91 or '93 but I was fairly consistent through OMD, save maybe a year or two right after the Clone Saga when I hit a financial hardspot. I started Amazing Spider-Man with issue 351, Nova and the Tri-Sentinel... still one of my favorite stories (351-352)
 
I don't recall if I started in '91 or '93 but I was fairly consistent through OMD, save maybe a year or two right after the Clone Saga when I hit a financial hardspot. I started Amazing Spider-Man with issue 351, Nova and the Tri-Sentinel... still one of my favorite stories (351-352)

That was '91 because it was Cap's 50th anniversary so you are an old timer too, at least by my standards. I agree that story was great as well. Plus it had fabulous Mark Bagley pencils! :wow:
 
If you drop the cynicism & internet snark and give Marvel NOW a fair shot, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

The core idea of Marvel NOW came from one of the creative retreats where Bendis was talking about wrapping up his AVENGERS run, Brubaker was saying the same about his CAPTAIN AMERICA run, and Hickman was reaching the planned conclusion of his FANTASTIC FOUR run. You had this strange convergence of 3 major Marvel franchises that were organically ending...
...and someone tossed out the idea what if EVERYONE switched up?!
And there was a LOT of excitement about it.

There's an energy you get as a creator-- not just when you head into a new assignment-- but when you embark on a new RUN. You get all of these wild, big, new ideas of what you would do with THIS character or with THAT team or what it would be like to work with one of your favorite comic book artists.

THAT is what Marvel NOW is about.

It's not about jumping on a book for 6 or 8 issues.
It's about some of the best guys in the industry getting ready to key up and launch the start of EPIC new RUNS of titles! I can tell you, with guys like Hickman and Bendis-- they're READY-- ready to hunker down and produce runs as big and iconic as their last runs! Hickman's plans for Avengers are JUST as detailed and broad in scope as his legendary FF run!

At the last retreat, hearing everyone map out their ideas and concepts for the next year's worth of stories, I can honestly say that I haven't heard that much raw energy in the room in ages!

If you're somebody as creative and driven as Rick Remender, and someone tells you you're writing CAPTAIN AMERICA after Ed Brubaker, you see that as a challenge! The bar's raised, you give it everything you've got, and you race towards it full tilt! You say Rick Remender's CAPTAIN AMERICA-- I'm already there! You throw in art by comic legend, John Romita Jr? Now I'm waiting for that first issue like it's the world's biggest Christmas present!

That's Marvel NOW!

This is NOT a reboot. Everything that happened in AVX happened. Everything that takes place in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #700 happens. Every story you read in 2012 counts.

Yet starting with EACH new #1, books burst out of the gate with bold, NEW directions!

to be fair.. it's your job to hook me before opening the book and spending money on it. And .... i'm not seeing or hearing an ounce of anything i do like.. from Jean returning as a teen, to the inevitable spider-relaunch, to all the new teams, to that stupid comic being based off of battle royale.... to the constant killing/re birthing/crippling/re crippling of Xavier... i'm sorry but I have absolutely no desire to pick up books in which feel foreign to me. especially right off the bat.

changing things up for the sake of doing so (especially when the last 10 years of marvel has truly been nothing but massive amounts of change-ups) is getting incredibly stale, tiresome, and boring
 
Editor, Steve Wacker, really loved the piece. He looked around, found the artist, and got Marvel to purchase the rights to it from the artist.

I believe that Steve has also commissioned the artists to do more pieces like this for other Marvel comics.

cool. it's nice to know you can really get a job from posting stuff on deviant art. I'll give ya guy's props for that.
 
Man, Dan's enthusiasm for NOW is kind of infectious. I was already pretty excited about a lot of things in it, though. It's actually kind of an end to my usual "cynicism and internet snark." I see Bendis' stranglehold on the Avengers franchise, which had a few good moments but I never particularly liked, ending, I see Matt Fraction's utterly abysmal Thor run ending, I see Brubaker finally bowing out after, in my opinion, phoning in the last few arcs of Captain America. Those are all good things in my book, and the things that are replacing them in NOW all look promising to me, along with a few other things. I'm more excited for Marvel's comics with NOW than I have been in a while.

Granted, I'm a very cynical person, so I'm sure I'll be right back to feeling disappointed in at least a few of those within a few months, but right now I'm pretty excited.
 
This does sound cool and all, but I feel it would be just as effective if this route was taken without changing the numbering yet again:

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Eh, as someone else pointed out, the Quesada regime at Marvel has changed the numbering on series or outright relaunched them so many times at this point that they're relatively meaningless anyway. At the end of the day, the most important thing to me is whether I'm reading, say, an Avengers comic that I genuinely enjoy, regardless of whether it's Avengers #592 or Avengers #7.
 
In fairness, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was relaunched with a new #1 back in 1999, before Joe Quesada took over as EIC. So it is a trend/gimmick which technically pre-dates his and Alonso's regime.

It's unlikely Spider-Man is being canceled, even if his next ongoing series isn't headlined with the word AMAZING. I've enjoyed the post-BIG TIME era overall. so I'm aboard for the haul.
 
If you drop the cynicism & internet snark and give Marvel NOW a fair shot, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

The core idea of Marvel NOW came from one of the creative retreats where Bendis was talking about wrapping up his AVENGERS run, Brubaker was saying the same about his CAPTAIN AMERICA run, and Hickman was reaching the planned conclusion of his FANTASTIC FOUR run. You had this strange convergence of 3 major Marvel franchises that were organically ending...
...and someone tossed out the idea what if EVERYONE switched up?!
And there was a LOT of excitement about it.

There's an energy you get as a creator-- not just when you head into a new assignment-- but when you embark on a new RUN. You get all of these wild, big, new ideas of what you would do with THIS character or with THAT team or what it would be like to work with one of your favorite comic book artists.

THAT is what Marvel NOW is about.

It's not about jumping on a book for 6 or 8 issues.
It's about some of the best guys in the industry getting ready to key up and launch the start of EPIC new RUNS of titles! I can tell you, with guys like Hickman and Bendis-- they're READY-- ready to hunker down and produce runs as big and iconic as their last runs! Hickman's plans for Avengers are JUST as detailed and broad in scope as his legendary FF run!

At the last retreat, hearing everyone map out their ideas and concepts for the next year's worth of stories, I can honestly say that I haven't heard that much raw energy in the room in ages!

If you're somebody as creative and driven as Rick Remender, and someone tells you you're writing CAPTAIN AMERICA after Ed Brubaker, you see that as a challenge! The bar's raised, you give it everything you've got, and you race towards it full tilt! You say Rick Remender's CAPTAIN AMERICA-- I'm already there! You throw in art by comic legend, John Romita Jr? Now I'm waiting for that first issue like it's the world's biggest Christmas present!

That's Marvel NOW!

This is NOT a reboot. Everything that happened in AVX happened. Everything that takes place in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #700 happens. Every story you read in 2012 counts.

Yet starting with EACH new #1, books burst out of the gate with bold, NEW directions!

If there is one thing that Marvel NOW! is doing right, it's getting me excited for most of their major books, particularly with Indestructible Hulk, Thor: God of Thunder, and Captain America. It's been a while since I have actually been excited for this many major Marvel books. Before now, I only really cared about two of them (Wolverine & the X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man).

However, the part that gets me jaded over the relaunch is that most of the smaller titles just look bad. As a matter in fact, I'll be buying fewer books from Marvel due to Marvel NOW primarily because of the smaller books that I used to get have either been flat out cancelled with no replacement (Avengers Academy) or just look awful (X-Men Legacy). It makes me a little sad inside because the smaller titles were some of the best stuff Marvel was putting out. And the double shipping can get really, really, REALLY irritating sometimes.
 
I think the annoying thing about the new #1's this time around is that almost all of Marvel's series were relaunched within the last two years anyway. That mostly seems like a lack of foresight, but if that's going to be the trend going forward, I would think that having 14 volumes of Captain America would be even more confusing to a new reader who wants to catch up on his stories.

I don't mind a new #1 if it actually merits it (like for Daredevil for example, which not only had a new creative team but a very different tone and setting for its stories than the previous series), but I would be annoyed if the book was relaunched after every 20 issues.

For the most part, though, I don't care that much and if I am interested in a book I will still get it. A new #1 for me is just as much a jumping on point as it is a jumping off point (and for the most part, I will take this round of new #1's as a jumping off).

Although I am sad about ASM, cuz I do feel a sense of history in those 700 issues and want it to continue. But that's probably because I'm a Spider-Man fan.
 
If there is one thing that Marvel NOW! is doing right, it's getting me excited for most of their major books, particularly with Indestructible Hulk, Thor: God of Thunder, and Captain America. It's been a while since I have actually been excited for this many major Marvel books. Before now, I only really cared about two of them (Wolverine & the X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man).

However, the part that gets me jaded over the relaunch is that most of the smaller titles just look bad. As a matter in fact, I'll be buying fewer books from Marvel due to Marvel NOW primarily because of the smaller books that I used to get have either been flat out cancelled with no replacement (Avengers Academy) or just look awful (X-Men Legacy). It makes me a little sad inside because the smaller titles were some of the best stuff Marvel was putting out. And the double shipping can get really, really, REALLY irritating sometimes.
The fact that Marvel is releasing so many new #1's and has so many X-Men and Avengers titles makes it difficult for me to pick and choose what I want to read. So I just made it easier on myself and will skip most of these relaunches.

Seriously, Marvel doesn't want to intimidate new readers with an issue #548 of Uncanny X-Men, but doesn't see how 7 #1's with X-Men in the title could be intimidating?
 
Honestly, I don't care how good or exciting these new books are supposed to be. If their constant gimmicks turn me off enough to not even bother with the title then what good is the quality? As silly as it sounds I'd be more excited over X-Men Legacy 276 than X-Men Legacy 1 because that relaunch gimmick is a turn off. It didn't relaunch when it became New X-Men, or when it became X-Men Legacy, or when it went from Xavier to Rogue, or Carey to Gage... but NOW it HAS to have a relaunch!!!! No, it doesn't. It's stupid. Same as relaunching everything else.

I'm sorry but the all new #1s is simply a rip off of DC and it's annoying and makes me less interested in a lot of this. As of last month, for the first time in 21 years, I am buying more DC titles than Marvel and the number of Marvel tiles continues to diminish. By December I might actually be buying the lowest number of Marvel titles a month since I've been collecting.

Sorry, but in my opinion, there is absolutely nothing about this new "I give it a year before the next relaunch" relaunch that gets me excited. Who knows, maybe the 7th Captain America #1 will catch my eye.
 
Wouldn't "old schoolers" be more concerned about the actual stories inside the cover than the numbers on the front?

Yes we would. Case in point: I just started catching up on my Avenging Spider-Man reading and what a letdown. SPOILERS AHEAD:















Obviously the title focuses on Spidey associating with various of his Avengers teammates (something that still chaps me - as any oldtimer knows, Spidey was never supposed to be an Avenger. THe only team he was EVER supposed to be remotely associated with was as the unnofficial 5th member of the 4). Anyway, issue 5 takes the cake. It starts with Spidey, sans mask, reading a copy of a comic that was drawn in the 50s by pre-Cap Steve Rogers. It is a superhero comic called, Sir Spangled, the Human Tank. THe newspaper tells how some guy found a bunch of these old comics in his attic and now they expect them to fetch big bucks at auction. Pete realizes that Cap was a pre-hero geek (albeit comic as opposed to science) like him. Suddenly he's fawning over Cap, standing inappropriately close to him, jumping like a kid to volunteer he and Cap as a team when they split up into 2's on a mission. He basically comes off as a 14-year old. Pete keeps trying to say Cap should start drawing comics again. Cap's attitude is "I don;t draw adventures anymore...I have them." Cap asks Pete if he still plays with his original chemistry set to which Pete bashfully admits he does. Later, Pete takes a box of his old science stuff down to the basement to burn it all in the incinerator before Cap stops him, feeling bad for making Pete feel bad and asks Pete to help him collaborate n a new comic book.

THis is so not Peter/Spidey. First of all, he's been Spidey like 14 years in MArvel time and he;s about 30 but as I said he acts like a little kid. Aaaannd in that 14 years he has met Cap literally dozens and dozens of times but here he acts like he's all star-struck and fumbling for words. It is truly a travesty of characterization. See, reading this garbage ‘inside the covers’ totally explains the new numbering. They have nothing left creativity-wise and are left with nothing but these cheap gimmicks to spark some new interest. Oh and to add even ‘better’ characterization, they have Hawkeye punking SPidey with signs on his door saying “You are a GIANT DORK! – Hawkeye” – the sort of stuff Spidey used to do to Johnny Storm – while Pete sits in his room moping before making the fateful decision to destroy his classic chemistry set all because Cap hurt his feelings.



THis really has made up my mind. Since 1974, I honestly never thought this day would come (I mean if I could stick with them thru Quesadia's reign, I figured I could weather anything but that's the end. I never thought I'd say (or even think) this but I may just give DC a look and see whats goin on over there. Oh, and start reading all the back issues!
 
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Yes we would. Case in point: I just started catching up on my Avenging Spider-Man reading and what a letdown. SPOILERS AHEAD:















Obviously the title focuses on Spidey associating with various of his Avengers teammates (something that still chaps me - as any oldtimer knows, Spidey was never supposed to be an Avenger. THe only team he was EVER supposed to be remotely associated with was as the unnofficial 5th member of the 4). Anyway, issue 5 takes the cake. It starts with Spidey, sans mask, reading a copy of a comic that was drawn in the 50s by pre-Cap Steve Rogers. It is a superhero comic called, Sir Spangled, the Human Tank. THe newspaper tells how some guy found a bunch of these old comics in his attic and now they expect them to fetch big bucks at auction. Pete realizes that Cap was a pre-hero geek (albeit comic as opposed to science) like him. Suddenly he's fawning over Cap, standing inappropriately close to him, jumping like a kid to volunteer he and Cap as a team when they split up into 2's on a mission. He basically comes off as a 14-year old. Pete keeps trying to say Cap should start drawing comics again. Cap's attitude is "I don;t draw adventures anymore...I have them." Cap asks Pete if he still plays with his original chemistry set to which Pete bashfully admits he does. Later, Pete takes a box of his old science stuff down to the basement to burn it all in the incinerator before Cap stops him, feeling bad for making Pete feel bad and asks Pete to help him collaborate n a new comic book.

THis is so not Peter/Spidey. First of all, he's been Spidey like 14 years in MArvel time and he;s about 30 but as I said he acts like a little kid. Aaaannd in that 14 years he has met Cap literally dozens and dozens of times but here he acts like he's all star-struck and fumbling for words. It is truly a travesty of characterization. See, reading this garbage ‘inside the covers’ totally explains the new numbering. They have nothing left creativity-wise and are left with nothing but these cheap gimmicks to spark some new interest. Oh and to add even ‘better’ characterization, they have Hawkeye punking SPidey with signs on his door saying “You are a GIANT DORK! – Hawkeye” – the sort of stuff Spidey used to do to Johnny Storm – while Pete sits in his room moping before making the fateful decision to destroy his classic chemistry set all because Cap hurt his feelings.



THis really has made up my mind. Since 1974, I honestly never thought this day would come (I mean if I could stick with them thru Quesadia's reign, I figured I could weather anything but that's the end. I never thought I'd say (or even think) this but I may just give DC a look and see whats goin on over there. Oh, and start reading all the back issues!

ick, that sounds like an episode of Ultimate Spider-Man....... :(
 
It worked fine in the issue to me. Plenty of older, even more experienced heroes still look up to Captain America. I don't see why it's so out-of-character for Peter to be a little fanboyish about him.
 
It worked fine in the issue to me. Plenty of older, even more experienced heroes still look up to Captain America. I don't see why it's so out-of-character for Peter to be a little fanboyish about him.

i have more of an issue for him going home and getting out his old chem set just to burn it.. and cap talking him out of it....

if that doesn't sound like a saturday morning cartoon, i don't know what does.
 
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