The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 3

[Spider - Man]

ick, that sounds like an episode of Ultimate Spider-Man.......

An episode of USM is better.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Whoa, ease up on the hyperbole there. Dying of syphilis is better than an episode of USM.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i think the only episode of ULT spidey i mildly enjoyed was the one with hulk sick, and peter was hiding him from aunt may... only because it was completely absurd and amusing in that sense. but.. didn't make up for the show being an utter embarrassment

 

[Spider - Man]

Whoa, ease up on the hyperbole there. Dying of syphilis is better than an episode of USM.

Well, obviously this is all a matter of opinion. At least in USM, he is supposed to be a teenager and so act immature and such. In AvSM he is supposed to be an adult who has known and worked with Cap for years. His reaction to him is completely out of character, both age-wise and situation-wise. And I mentioned the total mischaracterization of Hawkeye who although is supposed to be an upstart, is NOT supposed to be an immature, childish upstart. I guess it's all about what you can personally allow to pass. I just can't deal with this anymore. As someone else said they just refuse to let Pete grow up. Or even worse, in one title they want to try and start portraying his as the older mentor to Alpha and in AvSM he comes off as a kid. Like two different characters. To me it's just a lack of creativity, communication and cohesiveness and it frankly isults my intelligence and my sensibilities. It's pitiful to watch once great courses of filet mignon gradually degenerate into Spam. So as stated it's probably easier for younger readers to accept the new stuff they're dishing out. Again its all about what you can personally stomach which again is probably based on what you're used to getting.

 

[ShaDynasty]

Just commenting on the whole thing about how whether or not it's more confusing having all these volumes of titles for new readers: it definitely, no doubt, 100% for sure is. I'm basically brand new to comics...been reading for 6 weeks or so. And I found i levitated towards titles with high numbers but low amount of volumes. That's why i started reading ASM; yeah, it was in the 680s, but i didnt have to worry about 8 different volumes (like, Thor, Caps, FF, etc.) And the fact that there are 2000 different X-men titles and 2000 different Avengers titles was a turn off also.

Historically, DC might not be as good as Marvel, but they definitely know how to deal with things like that. The New 52 is meh at best but there arent 8 titles for each character.

 

[Will Nolte]

Finally more people are seeing what I've been saying about AvSM since it started. AvSM has had some of the WORST writing I've ever seen in a Spidey book. I knew the shiny newness would wear off eventually. They ONLY thing AvSM had going for it was the art in the first few issues, but the art as of late has been slowly slipping down to the same level of crappiness that is the writing.

I find it funny that when people refer to ASM spinoffs, they always list Venom, Scarlet Spider, and Morbius...but they ALWAYS leave out AvSM...should tell you something there. (And, yes, even Marvel themselves called AvSM an ASM spinoff...so don't try to tell me it isn't).

 

[Spider - Man]

So just finished reading AvSM #7 with She-Hulk. More terrible characterization and MORE SPOILERS AHEAD:















So spidey helps She-Hulk round up this giant sewer worm (best description for it) and She-Hulk says she has to run because she has another engagement. Spidey is left standing for a sec pondering how hungry he is and suddenly decides that he just HAS to hang out with She-Hulk right then. He takes off after her. She keeps trying to put him off telling him she has to go to some Egyptian museum thing. He persists telling her he LOVES Egyptian stuff, how he and Uncle Ben used to spend all kinds of time at the Egyptian museum (what?) but she hails a cab and takes off with Spidey yelling behind her how she stinks (this will be realized to be literal as she was in the sewer). SPidey still can;t take no for an answer and makes excuses to himself as to how he comes to be at the museum moments later.

Spidey has never been portrayed as as needy as he appears in the issue with Cap and now the one with She-Hulk. Also he has been portrayed as high-energy and talkative but in this issue he looks like he has full-blown unmedicated ADHD. *sigh*

I still have 5 issues left. I may not even bother.

 

[OcStat]

I don't have a problem with this at all. 700 seems like a nice clean number to send it off. And Spider-Man can't be the only core book staying in the triple digits while all the others go back to #1.

Does the number in the corner truly make a difference anyway? And because they went to #1 again nearly 15 years ago it automatically has to be lame this time around?

 

[Spider - Man]

And Spider-Man can't be the only core book staying in the triple digits while all the others go back to #1.

Why?

Does the number in the corner truly make a difference anyway?

Yes. The fact that a number is there in the first place means it makes a difference. Otherwise they'd just throw random numbers up there. Or none at all.

And because they went to #1 again nearly 15 years ago it automatically has to be lame this time around?

Yes. Even more so. Especially when they go back to the original numbering in a couple of years. Again.

 

[OcStat]

Of course they will. Just in time for #800. We'll still have 100 issues of Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Spider - Man]

Of course they will. Just in time for #800. We'll still have 100 issues of Amazing Spider-Man.

But that will just prove, once again, that there was no need to go back to 1 in the firstplace. It's just a cheap gimmick because the creativity ain't cuttin it. The reason Stan and the guys rom years back were so successful at keeping the series running for hundreds of issues was because the knew the soap opera formula. Soap operas have run for decades. Sometimes their storylines insult our intelligence but one things for sure, when we start watching them, it's hard as heck to stop. When I was in college some years ago, all the guys in my dorm got hooked on Young and the Restless and Days of Our Lives. I mean, we would literally inhale our food in the cafeteria and race back to one of the rooms to be able to watch. The hallmark of soap operas are the cheesy storylines, the same ones that still work today. The problem today I think is that writers want to create something profound and a comic book is rarely the place for that. THey're supposed to be fun. So yes, we'll have 100 issues of Spidey, but it'll be 100 lackluster issues because they take the lazy way out and restart the numbering to shake things uo rather than just try to write better stories. Trust me, they won't do both.

 

[Themanofbat]

I'm not sure if you have been reading Amazing Spider-Man in recent years, but current writer Dan Slott is one of those old school soap-opera type writers, and ASM has been pretty sweet since #648... yeah, there have been a few duds along the way, but we got duds back in the old days as well... they all can't be gems...

I know you want comics to be like they were when we were kids... I get that... but they have changed and de-volved/evolved... pending on how you wanna look at it... but sounding like a Negative Nancy will not bring those days back... for starters, I'd like to see the newsprint again so we can get cheaper prices... I wanna see covers with dialogue on them that actually reflect the stories inside... I want the soap opera style stroytelling in all the books I read... and I don't want relaunches... but these things are never coming back...

I do know that Dan Slott will keep writing Spider-Man AFTER ASM #700, and that has me pretty excited... in my opinion, he's the only guy at Marvel "currently" that really "gets" Spider-Man, so I hope he stays on th book for the next 100 issues plus... and if he is... they will not be lackluster... as you claim.

Just my two cents...

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I'm not sure if you have been reading Amazing Spider-Man in recent years, but current writer Dan Slott is one of those old school soap-opera type writers, and ASM has been pretty sweet since #648... yeah, there have been a few duds along the way, but we got duds back in the old days as well... they all can't be gems...

I know you want comics to be like they were when we were kids... I get that... but they have changed and de-volved/evolved... pending on how you wanna look at it... but sounding like a Negative Nancy will not bring those days back... for starters, I'd like to see the newsprint again so we can get cheaper prices... I wanna see covers with dialogue on them that actually reflect the stories inside... I want the soap opera style stroytelling in all the books I read... and I don't want relaunches... but these things are never coming back...

I do know that Dan Slott will keep writing Spider-Man AFTER ASM #700, and that has me pretty excited... in my opinion, he's the only guy at Marvel "currently" that really "gets" Spider-Man, so I hope he stays on th book for the next 100 issues plus... and if he is... they will not be lackluster... as you claim.

Just my two cents...

'Bats, I absolutely agree with everything you said!

 

[runawayboulder]

I agree with a lot of that too, especially the newsprint part. I could care less about the super high glossy fancy schmancy stuff these days. It's stupid crap that just makes the books needlessly more expensive. All of my old comics with the old style paper are fine after almost 30yrs, you just have to take care of your stuff like everything else in life.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Does the number in the corner truly make a difference anyway? And because they went to #1 again nearly 15 years ago it automatically has to be lame this time around?

to be fair, it was lame then too.. which is also why they went back to the triple digit numbering (hell at one time the labeled both v1 and v2 numbers) it's all gimmicks... with hire numbers the more special the #00s look (500!, 600!, 700!) same as now going back to #1!!! looks

 

[Themanofbat]

To be fair... regardless of what we think, new #1's will work in increasing sales... christ, just look at DC's numbers last September... and it's not the "quality" of the work inside... I can think of about 25% of the new DC books released last year as being good quality books... nad that's a generous number on my part...

Marvel is doing this for the money... and as a business, who can blame them?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

It's an opportunity to try new things. During DC's reboot, I picked up a lot of titles I otherwise wouldn't have.

The problem with Marvel's version is that almost none of the titles look appealing to me. I'll try Cap's title and the Hulk. But I couldn't care less about the stupid X-men/Avengers team mash ups.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I, on the other hand, am very much looking forward to those, since it always seemed an odd disconnect to me that the Avengers--all of whom should ostensibly by open-minded enough to embrace mutantkind--didn't take an active interest in mutant affairs and often seemed to have a contentious relationship with the X-Men.

 

[Spider - Man]

I'm not sure if you have been reading Amazing Spider-Man in recent years, but current writer Dan Slott is one of those old school soap-opera type writers, and ASM has been pretty sweet since #648... yeah, there have been a few duds along the way, but we got duds back in the old days as well... they all can't be gems...

I know you want comics to be like they were when we were kids... I get that... but they have changed and de-volved/evolved... pending on how you wanna look at it... but sounding like a Negative Nancy will not bring those days back... for starters, I'd like to see the newsprint again so we can get cheaper prices... I wanna see covers with dialogue on them that actually reflect the stories inside... I want the soap opera style stroytelling in all the books I read... and I don't want relaunches... but these things are never coming back...

I do know that Dan Slott will keep writing Spider-Man AFTER ASM #700, and that has me pretty excited... in my opinion, he's the only guy at Marvel "currently" that really "gets" Spider-Man, so I hope he stays on th book for the next 100 issues plus... and if he is... they will not be lackluster... as you claim.

Just my two cents...

Slott is certainly better than Strazynski IMO and that is all the more reason they don't need the stupid reboot gimmick. I really enjoyed the Lizard/Morbius story!

The funny thing is it all started the slow roll downhill when they started with the slick paper and direct sales and jacked up prices. And I know that it'll never be the same as it used to be (though I bet someone could make a fortune creating new comics on the old newsprint paper - ah, that smell!) but I can lament that loss. And I would say I'm more of Pesimist Pete than negative Nancy. That's why I said I'm dropping all new titles and focusing on reading back thru 30+ years of Marvel history and checking out their Distinguished Competition or maybe some independents.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I, on the other hand, am very much looking forward to those, since it always seemed an odd disconnect to me that the Avengers--all of whom should ostensibly by open-minded enough to embrace mutantkind--didn't take an active interest in mutant affairs and often seemed to have a contentious relationship with the X-Men.

I don't think they have a contentious relationship. At least not until AvX.

The Avengers have always had a few mutants in their line-up. I just always saw it as mutants sticking together, so the X-Men kinda did their own thing and stuck with their own fellow mutants.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This isn't the first time the Avengers and the X-Men have fought. They've had a few scraps over the years, and the fact that it kept happening made it feel more like the Avengers and the X-Men agreed to stay on their respective sides of the "mutant issues" line--the X-Men living and breathing mutant rights stuff, the Avengers largely ignoring it--and just not mix (barring those few exceptions who have been both X-Men and Avengers).

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yeah, but superheroes fight amongst themselves all the time. They've never had a falling out over mutant rights, have they? I remember a scene from Civil War that made a parallel between the SHRA and the Mutant Registration Act, but that's it.

 

[Mad Ones]

As long as the X-men remain the leaders regarding mutant issues I'm ok with the Avengers/X-men stuff. Otherwise the X-men lose their identity. The Avengers should just follow and help when it comes to mutant affairs/challenges... instead of showing up at their home with an ultimatum.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but superheroes fight amongst themselves all the time. They've never had a falling out over mutant rights, have they? I remember a scene from Civil War that made a parallel between the SHRA and the Mutant Registration Act, but that's it.

No, I'm not saying the Avengers were ever racist. They never kowtowed to the government and went out capturing mutants and putting them in concentration camps or anything. But they also never really did much to help the mutant rights cause. You'd think stalwart heroes like Captain America and Iron Man would've spoken out in support of equality, especially since they often had mutants as Avengers. But no, it was just never really brought up in any significant way (that I can recall). Hence the disconnect I see between the two teams. One team is all about mutant rights, the other just sort of never touches it.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

No, I'm not saying the Avengers were ever racist. They never kowtowed to the government and went out capturing mutants and putting them in concentration camps or anything. But they also never really did much to help the mutant rights cause. You'd think stalwart heroes like Captain America and Iron Man would've spoken out in support of equality, especially since they often had mutants as Avengers. But no, it was just never really brought up in any significant way (that I can recall). Hence the disconnect I see between the two teams. One team is all about mutant rights, the other just sort of never touches it.

Yeah you think it would've been brought up by the Avengers by now. Especially during Civil War (which I think made the parallel, but only for like one page).

But I think we can probably chalk the disconnect up to editorial stuff. Having two teams as outspoken mutant rights activists could get redundant.