Infinity War The AVENGERS INFINITY WAR OFFICIAL SPOILER Thread - Part 2

[Kane52630]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

They knew what they were doing once they got Spidey back and decided to team him up with Tony. Was that really only two years ago with CW?

 

[Krystal]

Was he the guy in the opening scene about Malekith?

He was they guy who came for Jane after Frigga died and Thor almost started a fight with him.

 

[legendkillin]

He was they guy who came for Jane after Frigga died and Thor almost started a fight with him.

Thanks yeah they didn't give him anything memorable in that movie. He didn't die there and he wasn't in Ragnarok so they can always bring him around if they wanted to.

 

[Bagide]

Does the snap affect the worlds Thànos has already killed half of the people? Like the Arsgadians or Gamora's world?

 

[honestbharani]

Having had almost a day to let the dust settle, I am just gonna say this now: Avengers - Infinity War is a cinematic achievement beyond compare. Sure, there were a few technical glitches - the CGI felt off in a couple of scenes, and given the size, scope, scale and nature of both this movie and its source material, there were couple of times you felt "why couldn't this character have made a different decision at this point".. But this is one hell of a ride. You cannot compare it to anything else in movie history because there has literally been nothing like this ever attempted before. Kudos to Marvel, Feige and the Russos for opening doors where there were none. This movie was a mammoth undertaking but having seen it now, it is also a gargantuan achievement. Gotta watch it a few more times but I just don't think the experience of watching this movie in a theatre can ever be topped.

 

[jmc]

I have to think if there is any resurrecting of characters in the next film it's the kind of thing that will only be able to happen once, meaning that whoever dies after that is permanently gone for good. I don't think all of the original Avengers would be killed, that seems too obvious a move to me. However I can see a few reasons for some of them not returning again.

The most likely to die would be Stark and Cap, I almost think that's a given. After that I think it's entirely possible Banner becomes cured from the Hulk in some way becoming a normal human again, which leads to him and Natalya becoming a couple and choosing the quiet life. For Thor I think it's set up for him to rebuild Asguard, with so few of his people left it makes sense for him to turn his attention to that for a long time. Hawkeye could be killed but I think in all likelihood he will officially retire for good.

This would pave the way for the new Avengers to take over. Who would lead and be the face? That's hard to say. I don't see a natural successor among the group left over. Dr Strange is focused on protecting the world from mystical threats, Black Panther is focused on Wakanda first and foremost. War Machine, Falcon and Winter Soldier have all been more supporting characters than leads. Ant-Man can't be taken seriously. Captain Marvel maybe? We don't know what that film is going to be like. I honestly don't know. They've said thing will be different post A4, so maybe team up films will be more like Ragnarok than Avengers, mini groups of characters joining forces for the story than one big cross over. Given the size and scale of the two Avengers films it's going to be difficult if not impossible to repeat this, so maybe smaller scale mini team up movies is the future.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

New Avengers:

Capt. Marvel

Black Panther

Ant-Man

Wasp

Spider-Man

Dr. Strange


The gems/stones will be destroyed or separated so for all intents and purposes using them for resurrection will be off the table.

 

[flickchick85]

I still expect a couple OG Avengers to stick around for a bit - maybe Thor and Black Widow.

 

[honestbharani]

I expect Cap to bite it and Stark to take over like a Nick Fury role. RDJ is way too valuable to dissociate yourself full time, unlike Evans who is extremely popular but mainly and mostly, only as Cap.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I still expect a couple OG Avengers to stick around for a bit - maybe Thor and Black Widow.

I am leaning towards Thor sticking around now myself. They did such good stuff with him here and I think it comes through that recently Hemmsworth has more fire in his belly for the character.

I think Widow is going to get spun off (finally) into her own series, and... I won't be surprised if it's R rated.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, Hemsworth's newfound enthusiasm for the character is my primary reason for suspecting he'll stick around. It would be a bit weird if Thor got a 4th installment while Cap and IM didn't, but at the same time, I wouldn't complain. Either way, even if he's relegated to guest-spots a la RDJ, I just don't see him going anywhere anytime soon.

Can you imagine how OP the new group would be with Thor, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange, though? I want it.

 

[Raiden]

Just came home from seeing Infinity War, and I have so many emotions. I really wonder why they can bring back those characters who dissipated in the end, and handle it in such a way that won't cheapen the "snap".

 

[flickchick85]

Just came home from seeing Infinity War, and I have so many emotions. I really wonder why they can bring back those characters who dissipated in the end, and handle it in such a way that won't cheapen the "snap".

To me the answer to that is easy: make a permanent sacrifice the cost of doing so. This is how I suspect we'll lose Cap or Tony.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah, Hemsworth's newfound enthusiasm for the character is my primary reason for suspecting he'll stick around. It would be a bit weird if Thor got a 4th installment while Cap and IM didn't, but at the same time, I wouldn't complain. Either way, even if he's relegated to guest-spots a la RDJ, I just don't see him going anywhere anytime soon.

Can you imagine how OP the new group would be with Thor, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange, though? I want it.

They have already said they are going more cosmic post A4. They may not feel that OP in that realm.

 

[flickchick85]

They have already said they are going more cosmic post A4. They may not feel that OP in that realm.

As someone who loved Al Ewing's Ultimates...yes please. Bring on Blue Marvel and Monica Rambeau while we're at it.

 

[TheFuture]

I only see one permanent death in A4 and that's Tony, utterly convinced of that. They basically told us that in IW.

I think Cap will stay around as the go to guy for wisdom.

Thor will leave and be around less so, but will still come when needed.

 

[honestbharani]

As someone who loved Al Ewing's Ultimates...yes please. Bring on Blue Marvel and Monica Rambeau while we're at it.

I think you are in for good times ahead.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, Hemsworth's newfound enthusiasm for the character is my primary reason for suspecting he'll stick around. It would be a bit weird if Thor got a 4th installment while Cap and IM didn't, but at the same time, I wouldn't complain. Either way, even if he's relegated to guest-spots a la RDJ, I just don't see him going anywhere anytime soon.

Can you imagine how OP the new group would be with Thor, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange, though? I want it.

What do you think of the idea of "contraction"?

Yes they said the next phase would go cosmic... They also said this movie was self contained and didn't lead into/have deep connections to part 4.

Still, okay, let's say we have more alien stuff in the next run of films. The team has saved the population of the universe, reversed the culling whatever.

How do you immediately top that?

I am still on the SECRET INVASION/KREE-SKRULL WAR bandwagon and I think that get's to "contraction" while still being cosmic. I think by cosmic they don't me Celestials/Galactus/Elders Of The Universe. I think they mean like STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION styled galactic politics. Some focus will indeed be on whole other planets. We gotta see heroes whooping ass on both the Kree and Skrull homeworlds but the meat I think will be more intimate and be about trust and betrayal and the mystery of Skrulls working in the shadows on Earth.

I think that could yield some interesting conflict. How do the team handle a threat that may be hunkered down deep into say, the legitimate authorities? Will they be forced at some point to have to take on cops or military? Regular humans that don't realize the top brass are actually Skrulls? I mean there are ways to use that shape shifting without making a hero a secret Skrull all along.

This would be something based on elements from Marvel's cosmic history while still being more intimate than the epic struggle against a philosophical mad man attempting to change the universe with omnipotent power.

 

[flickchick85]

What do you think of the idea of "contraction"?

Yes they said the next phase would go cosmic... They also said this movie was self contained and didn't lead into/have deep connections to part 4.

Still, okay, let's say we have more alien stuff in the next run of films. The team has saved the population of the universe, reversed the culling whatever.

How do you immediately top that?

I am still on the SECRET INVASION/KREE-SKRULL WAR bandwagon and I think that get's to "contraction" while still being cosmic. I think by cosmic they don't me Celestials/Galactus/Elders Of The Universe. I think they mean like STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION styled galactic politics. Some focus will indeed be on whole other planets. We gotta see heroes whooping ass on both the Kree and Skrull homeworlds but the meat I think will be more intimate and be about trust and betrayal and the mystery of Skrulls working in the shadows on Earth.

I think that could yield some interesting conflict. How do the team handle a threat that may be hunkered down deep into say, the legitimate authorities? Will they be forced at some point to have to take on cops or military? Regular humans that don't realize the top brass are actually Skrulls? I mean there are ways to use that shape shifting without making a hero a secret Skrull all along.

This would be something based on elements from Marvel's cosmic history while still being more intimate than the epic struggle against a philosophical mad man attempting to change the universe with omnipotent power.

I like the sound of that. Basically, I liked the idea that's been bandied around that the "New Avengers" or Ultimates or whatever they're called, will be a much larger organization, with different "departments" - Doc Strange, Scarlet Witch (and maybe Valkyrie as a nod to their alliance in the comics) heading up the inter-dimensional defense; Captain Marvel, Thor and maybe the Guardians heading up cosmic outreach/Alpha Flight/SWORD (Earth's cosmic defense, whatever it's called); Black Widow, Bucky, Falcon, War Machine, and Spidey handling the ground-level threats, with Black Panther bank-rolling and overseeing the whole operation from Wakanda. Or something like that.

But the world itself would change - cosmic outreach being a big part. Basically Earth would have to come to terms with their place in the universe and the fact that there are indeed aliens among them, the invasion of NYC was NOT just a one-time thing, and there are many friendly alien worlds open to diplomatic and trade relations.

Which would perfectly set the stage for something like a Secret Invasion, imo.

 

[Brother Jack]

To me the answer to that is easy: make a permanent sacrifice the cost of doing so. This is how I suspect we'll lose Cap or Tony.

I still think both of them are going out. They've been the two biggest pillars of the MCU since the beginning. Losing them both would be the magnitude of sacrifice that would be weighty even compared to the ending of this film. Plus it would make this a true ending, and open the door for the next era.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah, Hemsworth's newfound enthusiasm for the character is my primary reason for suspecting he'll stick around. It would be a bit weird if Thor got a 4th installment while Cap and IM didn't, but at the same time, I wouldn't complain. Either way, even if he's relegated to guest-spots a la RDJ, I just don't see him going anywhere anytime soon.

Can you imagine how OP the new group would be with Thor, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange, though? I want it.

Yeah I've been calling for Thor to be in GOTG 3 or Doctor Strange 2 for awhile.

Heck I'd even take a guess star role in one of Spider-Man's sequels. I'd love to see Thor battling Rhino, Sandman, or Electro in the middle of New York.

 

[Aximili86]

I just have to say, I can't with people claiming Thanos' faulty logic is somehow a plot hole. Newsflash, folks, HE IS MAD. They don't call him the Mad Titan for nothing. This is a guy who truly believes in abusing a child he (legitimately) loves in order to make her into the "fiercest woman in the galaxy." That's how his brain works. "Tough love," is how I'm sure he sees it.

Bingo. Haha, we're already seeing plenty of this "understable anti-hero" stuff regarding Thanos, just like with Killmonger.

It's friggin' nuts.

The guy's a child-abducter/abuser, razer of worlds, who's willing to murder people in the trillions because resources might run out someday on a mass scale the same way they did on his homeworld.

He's a complex psychological figure, yeah. The guy's still pretty much the worst biological individual to ever be born in the history of the 'verse since the Big Bang.

 

[RoastBeast]

I am leaning towards Thor sticking around now myself. They did such good stuff with him here and I think it comes through that recently Hemmsworth has more fire in his belly for the character.

I think Widow is going to get spun off (finally) into her own series, and... I won't be surprised if it's R rated.

That would be glorious!

 

[yllum]

After watching IW thrice, my fave character in the movie is Star Lord.

Unpopular opinion here because of what he messed up on titan, however it is not out of character for peter to mess things up. Imagine the murderer of my love one is right in front of me, i would have probably react the same way.

His arc is IW was a very good one that not many people talk about.