The Avengers The Avengers = Iron Man 3?

[FaT_tONle]

I think all three are capable of doing IM numbers. People love the Hulk and have a genuine appreciation for Banner's struggle, not to mention all the pop culture references. They just screwed him up twice with two "meh" efforts. Thor can do well in Europe and here. We know how popular fantasy can be; it just has to be done right. Cap is a tough sell but people are apt to WW2 set pieces overseas. Weaving is a big star. They are just going to need some big time international talent, so hopefully Marvel doesn't get too cheap. I'm not gonna worry about box office. If the movies are done right the box office will speak for itself.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think they'll focus on it being a crossover, regardless of Cap's or Thor's BO. I don't see them failing, either.

If their BO is strong, their profits will stink!

 

[jmc]

You say no one is putting anyone on a pedistel, yet this thread is full of no one can act with RDJ quotes. That is everyone putting him on a pedistel.

Even if Cap and Thor don't do as well as expected, I think making Avengers seem like IM3 is a bad idea. Once they find out it is not, that is where you can get backlash. Hulk looked action heavy, but when people saw Ang Lee's Hulk and it was far from it, the film bombed. I think they'll focus on it being a crossover, regardless of Cap's or Thor's BO. I don't see them failing, either.

That's the risk Marvel are taking with Avengers. The question is will people give a damn about a crossover? At this stage it's impossible to say either or.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think this Avengers movie could end up like the superhero equivalent of the Ocean's Eleven franchise (although with not as many team members). You'd have some big name stars and a mostly boys club.

Tony Stark/Iron Man = RDJ = George Clooney
Steve Rogers/Captain America = Chris Evans = Brad Pitt (or Matt Damon?)
Thor = Chris Hemsworth = Matt Damon (or Brad Pitt)
Jim Rhodes/War Machine = Don Cheadle = Don Cheadle
Bruce Banner/Hulk = Ed Norton = Elliot Gould
Black Widow = Scarlett Johansson = Catherine Zeta Jones
Nick Fury = Samuel L Jackson = Bernie Mac
General Ross = William Hurt = Andy Garcia
Pepper Potts = Gwyneth Paltrow = Julia Roberts
and so on.

In Ocean's Eleven, George Clooney was the suave playboy womanising type similar to RDJ's Tony Stark.

Of course, the other model could be The Magnificent Seven:

Samuel L Jackson = Yul Brynner
Chris Evans = Steve McQueen
Chris Hemsworth = Charles Bronson
RDJ = James Coburn
Edward Norton = Robert Vaughn
Don Cheadle = Brad Dexter
Scarlett Johansson = Horst Bucholz

 

[Abraham]

I think this Avengers movie could end up like the superhero equivalent of the Ocean's Eleven franchise.

In Ocean's Eleven, George Clooney was the suave playboy womanising type similar to RDJ's Tony Stark.

not really, while that usually describes Clooney, that sounds more like Pitts character in those films... so switch the two. Danny Ocean is about as close to a Captain America model you can find in Oceans Eleven.

I'd much rather:

the other model could be The Magnificent Seven:

Samuel L Jackson = Yul Brynner
Chris Evans = Steve McQueen
Chris Hemsworth = Charles Bronson
RDJ = James Coburn
Edward Norton = Robert Vaughn
Don Cheadle = Brad Dexter
Scarlett Johansson = Horst Bucholz

with appearances by General Ross, The Warriors Three, Odin, and Pepper of-course.

 

[FrostBite]

I think all three are capable of doing IM numbers. People love the Hulk and have a genuine appreciation for Banner's struggle, not to mention all the pop culture references. They just screwed him up twice with two "meh" efforts. Thor can do well in Europe and here. We know how popular fantasy can be; it just has to be done right. Cap is a tough sell but people are apt to WW2 set pieces overseas. Weaving is a big star. They are just going to need some big time international talent, so hopefully Marvel doesn't get too cheap. I'm not gonna worry about box office. If the movies are done right the box office will speak for itself.

No, they screwed him once with one terrible effort, and gave the reboot 1/14th the marketing of Iron Man and released it in between Iron Man and Indiana Jones (if I remember correctly.) Movie was doomed before it came out; it could have been Oscar worthy and it would have never mattered honestly. Personally, I think it's one of the best Hulk representations we've ever gotten, is actually pretty deep if you don't need things spelled out for you (which is why it fell short to most of the GA I suppose) and still deeper than Iron Man. (Though no one is going to agree with me there.)

Sadly, box offices don't always reflect quality. Word of mouth can't save good movies every time. I.e. Transformers 2 v. Hellboy 2. It's true that sometimes they coincide (i.e. The Dark Knight) but there are a ton of factors going into the B.O.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well if Marvel had some foresight they could have pushed the release to 2009. Although filming was underway June 2007, maybe they should have just held it off until the following January and scheduled a May 09 release. TIH just seemed outmatched compared to the exposure IM/TDK were getting. GL will probably suffer the same fate not only because it is sandwiched between two Marvel movies, but WB will be marketing the final HP alongside it.

 

[FrostBite]

Well if Marvel had some foresight they could have pushed the release to 2009. Although filming was underway June 2007, maybe they should have just held it off until the following January and scheduled a May 09 release. TIH just seemed outmatched compared to the exposure IM/TDK were getting. GL will probably suffer the same fate not only because it is sandwiched between two Marvel movies, but WB will be marketing the final HP alongside it.

They could have, and they could have left many of the deep moments, and brilliant quotes in. Oh well.

And I never thought about that FaT_tONle but you are probably right.

 

[Spider-Fan]

After seeing Iron Man 2, I think it is clear that Marvel doesn't think Tony Stark should be the leader of a major team. Marvel gets it

 

[Matt]

Whedon is a very good talent director. I'm sure he'll do well managing the massive talents, plus Downey has never really come off as an ego maniac and he really seems to enjoy being the "ambassador for Marvel," as he described himself. He's really into this, I don't think he'll let ego get in the way.

I think the biggest problem will be unintentional overshadowing. Downey, Jackson, Norton, possibly Cheadle and Johannson...these are high quality actors. So far nothing that Hemsworth or Evans have done has proven they can hold their own presence with these kinds of actors. That is going to be Whedon's true challenge. Getting the lower level actors to stand out amongst the Iron Man and Hulk casts.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Cap being one of the lower names as far as popularity of actor I feel is more in the spirit of the character, though. Cap is an inspirational figure and not exactly a big personality. That doesn't mean he isn't strong, that just means he is not life of the party. I expect the audience to love Stark more tha Rogers because he is the flashy character. However, Cap is the soul of the team, and I feel this will come out. I have more faith in Evans than some people seem to. I honestly expect him to do well. Like I have said in my Star Wars examples: while Han might be everyone's favorite, Cap is still the soul and the character that should be emphasized most. Han shines in those films, but it is not like everyone forgets Luke.

 

[Infinity9999x]

No, they screwed him once with one terrible effort, and gave the reboot 1/14th the marketing of Iron Man and released it in between Iron Man and Indiana Jones (if I remember correctly.) Movie was doomed before it came out; it could have been Oscar worthy and it would have never mattered honestly.

You can't blame them for Iron Man. Nobody figured that it would be as big as it was. That was an out of left field kind of thing.

But yeah, pitting it up by Indy was really stupid.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

I think this Avengers movie could end up like the superhero equivalent of the Ocean's Eleven franchise (although with not as many team members). You'd have some big name stars and a mostly boys club.

Tony Stark/Iron Man = RDJ = George Clooney
Steve Rogers/Captain America = Chris Evans = Brad Pitt (or Matt Damon?)
Thor = Chris Hemsworth = Matt Damon (or Brad Pitt)
Jim Rhodes/War Machine = Don Cheadle = Don Cheadle
Bruce Banner/Hulk = Ed Norton = Elliot Gould
Black Widow = Scarlett Johansson = Catherine Zeta Jones
Nick Fury = Samuel L Jackson = Bernie Mac
General Ross = William Hurt = Andy Garcia
Pepper Potts = Gwyneth Paltrow = Julia Roberts
and so on.

In Ocean's Eleven, George Clooney was the suave playboy womanising type similar to RDJ's Tony Stark.

Of course, the other model could be The Magnificent Seven:

Samuel L Jackson = Yul Brynner
Chris Evans = Steve McQueen
Chris Hemsworth = Charles Bronson
RDJ = James Coburn
Edward Norton = Robert Vaughn
Don Cheadle = Brad Dexter
Scarlett Johansson = Horst Bucholz

What about The Hangover
Stark = Brad Cooper (Charming partyboy)
Cap = Ed Helms (boyscout)
Thor = Zack Galifinakis (Odd guy from his own world. Totally oblivious to what people think of him, or he doesn't care)
maybe Banner or Pym = Annoying guy from National Treasure

I'm only half kidding. I can see Tony and Cap having a convo about Thor being odd similar to when Cooper and (National Treasure guy) are in the gas station watching Galifinakis