The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - Part 12

[spideyboy_1111]

to be fair... world wide total sorta counts more than just the US.. there's movies that bomb in the US but still get sequels because they did well all over everywhere else...

 

[Rock Sexton]

to be fair... world wide total sorta counts more than just the US.. there's movies that bomb in the US but still get sequels because they did well all over everywhere else...

They make the majority of their money domestically. They take 12-13% of the international BO and we're talking MANY different countries there that make up that international tally.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

They make the majority of their money domestically. They take 12-13% of the international BO and we're talking MANY different countries there that make up that international tally.

i'm aware, but like i said, there's been several movies that did much better overseas than in the US

 

[Rock Sexton]

i'm aware, but like i said, there's been several movies that did much better overseas than in the US

I understand .... but you're talking many different countries over one country. If you split those numbers up per foreign country, I'm not so sure you get quite the same picture. A $200 million worldwide gross is only successful if the budget was low. Doesn't mean that the concept was really that popular regardless of how good the film may have been rated.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I understand .... but you're talking many different countries over one country. If you split those numbers up per foreign country, I'm not so sure you get quite the same picture.

im aware, but i don't see where that matters in what i was saying?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

That's true, Thor did exceptionally well overseas, and there is often 2 or so weeks difference between opening weekends in various countries.

For instance, when someone quoted Cap's current box office, if you look, there are several countries where it came out last weekend where the box office hasn't actually been updated on Box Office Mojo yet, including Australia and several others. I know a lot of people who went and saw it last w/e, so I'm curious to see how much Aus contributed. I remember being surprised at seeing that for Thor, Aus was the largest foreign country box office for the film (Closely followed by the UK). It might turn out that Australia has the highest percentage of Marvel fans

 

[Rock Sexton]

im aware, but i don't see where that matters in what i was saying?

Because you're "lump summing" a whole slew of countries together in order to depict a successful international box office. The #'s aren't that impressive when you consider how many countries that really is.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Thor did really well overseas .... $267 million. None of the aliens films we're discussing can claim #'s like that.

 

[roach]

while I did enjoy Thor...that movie had one advantage neither of the alien movies had...BO boosting from 3D

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think District 9 actually did really well internationally too, from memory.

Edit: Just checked, District 9 was 45% of the overall, Super 8 international was 32%. That's not insignificant. Certainly a lot more than your 12 -13% Rock.

 

[gmanca]

Yeah and like Super 8, it didn't not cost much to make.

You can't expect a movie like Super 8 to be on par with War of the Worlds(591 World-wide) when one is made for about 40 million and the other is 100 million more.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

War of the Worlds... you mean the movie with 60% of the overall BO takings from international? :P

Edit: Also, while I'm looking at these stats, there are the international percentages of a bunch of OTHER alien invasion movies...

Transformers 1 - 55%
Transformers 2 - 51%
Transformers 3 - 65.6%
Battle: Los Angeles - 58.7%
Skyline - 68%

I don't think

They make the majority of their money domestically. They take 12-13% of the international BO and we're talking MANY different countries there that make up that international tally.

was a particularly accurate statement

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think District 9 actually did really well internationally too, from memory.

Edit: Just checked, District 9 was 45% of the overall, Super 8 international was 32%. That's not insignificant. Certainly a lot more than your 12 -13% Rock.

I meant their take home with the 12-13%. Alas their international takes are really not them impressive when you look at it. Their domestics are successful in relation to their budgets, not because people flocked to see them.

District 9
$115 million domestic
$95 million international (61 countries)

Super 8
$124 million domestic
$60 million international (32 countries)

 

[Rock Sexton]

War of the Worlds... you mean the movie with 60% of the overall BO takings from international? :P

So because War of the Worlds enjoyed a good international take, it means all alien films will do the same? I don't understand your point. We're talking about films as of late and overall.

Unless you feature Transformers or you have Will Smith, it's really not that impressive of a tally. Other factors are more determinant of whether they'll go see a movie with an alien invasion. War of the Worlds is a cult classic, I'm not surprised at all at that result.

This is the tally run over at BMOJO for Alien Invation films ....

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=scifialieninvasion.htm

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm pretty sure that what I already posted, all the major Alien Invasion movies released in the last few years.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Skyline - 68%

I already covered the other ones ....

$21 million domestic
$45 million international (43 countries)

Again .... international tallies are not that great given the amount of countries you're talking about .... not to mention the studios only keep 12-13% of that.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'm pretty sure that what I already posted, all the major Alien Invasion movies released in the last few years.

Look again at those numbers, not the percents. They made more internationally simply due to the amount of countries, not because they were performing impressively abroad (for films like Skyline, Distric 9, Super 8, etc). You're just painting the %'s.

You can't begin to compare Transformers to that of regular alien invasion films. I'm sorry, that's not really apples to apples.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Where are you getting the 12 - 13% figure from?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Where are you getting the 12 - 13% figure from?

Gotta find the link ... one sec ... That 12-13% also goes to paying for the marketing.

How Film Studios Make Money: http://www.scribd.com/doc/5885934/How-film-studios-make-money

 

[Wolvieboy17]

You can't begin to compare Transformers to that of regular alien invasion films. I'm sorry, that's not really apples to apples.

No, but I can compare Transformers to The Avengers as Alien Invasion films, since that is what this discussion is actually all about.

Also, your 12 - 13% doesn't seem to be taking into account how much cheaper distribution is in many international countries, Australia included. I believe the US has the highest dist. costs anyway.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No, but I can compare Transformers to The Avengers as Alien Invasion films, since that is what this discussion is actually all about.

Semantics. You and I both know that Transformers carries a massive brand name recogition compared to movies like Skyline, District 9, and Super 8. It's not even a comparison. People didn't go see Transformers simply because it was an alien invasion.

Also, your 12 - 13% doesn't seem to be taking into account how much cheaper distribution is in many international countries, Australia included. I believe the US has the highest dist. costs anyway.

Read the article and do the math on their examples.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Hmmm, that is an interesting article. What's the old saying, about the most succesful producers in Hollywood are the ones without any money?

Still, making this whole discussion slightly more relevant, with Disney footing the bill for a lot of the marketing, a nice healthy budget and 4 pre-established and successful franchise characters, I don't think Marvel need to worry about making back some money.

Also, Rock, that article is 6 years old. The business landscape may have changed quite a bit, for instance, I know it's much cheaper to distribue in Aus these days, even though the aussie dollar is pretty high. I would say there is a very good chance that percentage has changed.

Also, since that article came out, we pretty much really started hitting the stride of the 'Uber movie, the standard summer moving being in the hundreds of millions for budget. I'm sure that also changes things a little, and the aforementioned 3D.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Semantics. You and I both know that Transformers carries a massive brand name recogition compared to movies like Skyline, District 9, and Super 8. It's not even a comparison. People didn't go see Transformers simply because it was an alien invasion.

And Avengers DOESN'T have name recognition?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Hmmm, that is an interesting article. What's the old saying, about the most succesful producers in Hollywood are the ones without any money?

Still, making this whole discussion slightly more relevant, with Disney footing the bill for a lot of the marketing, a nice healthy budget and 4 pre-established and successful franchise characters, I don't think Marvel need to worry about making back some money.

Also, Rock, that article is 6 years old. The business landscape may have changed quite a bit, for instance, I know it's much cheaper to distribue in Aus these days, even though the aussie dollar is pretty high. I would say there is a very good chance that percentage has changed.

Also, since that article came out, we pretty much really started hitting the stride of the 'Uber movie, the standard summer moving being in the hundreds of millions for budget. I'm sure that also changes things a little, and the aforementioned 3D.

I'm only going of the information we have at hand. Everything else is supposition. Still though when you look at those movies and their takes that is a crap ton of countries just to get those totals.

 

[Rock Sexton]

And Avengers DOESN'T have name recognition?

..... The Avengers does! We're discussing whether or not people flock to see alien invasion films. The results show it depends on other factors - particularly brand recognition or star recognition.