The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - Part 14

[Punisher_MAX]

X2 was great but it frustrated me to no end on some of the inaccuracies.

 

[SterlingArcher]

I kniw Im in the minority, but X-men 2 is easily the most overrated comic book movie there is. its just another wolverine movie. X-men FC walks all over it. I totally expect the Avengers to take the title for best ensemble superhero movie next year.

I agree with everything u said actually I dont see the hype behind it

 

[dony2012]

Are you sure about that? Let's rehash foxes track record...

Great Films:
X-men
X2
X-men first class

Mediocre to complete bombs:
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four rotss
Daredevil (not counting the directors cut, only theatrical release)
X-men 3
X-men origins: wolverine
Elektra

So sorry... 3 great x-men films and 6 "blah" films... is not a good track record.

Well, Marvel Studios only have ONE great film (Iron Man), so... Yeah, Fox got the better track record.

 

[louiebling$]

Why are people talking about Civil War? Civil War was a steaming pile. If we're gonna adapt some big time events, let's adapt some good ones kaaaaay?

Civil War is what got me into comics... Its one of my favorite if not my favorite storyline

 

[Crimson King]

This again...

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

This is the guy who claims his brother's opinions are representative of the entire GA, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. He makes these outrageous posts and then spams the thread with a bunch of ******** replies. You should ask him if he's read the script.

As far as I'm concerned, ALL of your posts are spam. All you do is knock people's opinions and act like a wannabe moderator instead of actually contributing to debates or discussions. Your presence in this forum is really starting to seem pointless because [for some reason] you seem to think that you can dictate what's being discussed here. What was it that you said last time? Oh yeah, "I move that since we're not allowed to post leaked pics that we disallow the discussing of leaked scripts." I laughed so hard at that post. "I move". You're not a mod. Suggestion: next time you see a debate going on in this thread, try adding to the topic being debated instead of taking laughable jabs at me.

 

[Surfer]

The "FOX makes bad CBMs" argument is dead & Marvel Studios has gotten sloppy. The very rushed X-Men: First Class was the best CBM this summer & in the last 3 years. Marvel was too worried setting up Avengers to give us Cap & Thor movies at the level of First Class or an Iron Man sequel at the level of X2. As far as I'm concerned, FOX has a better track record with their movies & while most of it is probably thanks to Bryan Singer, they're still FOX movies nonetheless. Marvel's ace was Iron Man & we are yet to see something as good. For me, Feige is more concerned with cash than quality. He gives the fans what they want in staying close to the comic but then delivers an inferior product with no apologies. I prefer quality to accuracy.

While Fox might have X-men First Class and X2 which are considered to be great films, and X-men was okay, the rest of their movies were bad or just complete crap. I mean you have got movies like Daredevil (which is probably the best of the remaining titles), Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer, X-men 3 The Last Stand, Elektra and Wolverine Origins. The first two titles mentioned were bad in my opinion, but the last four titles especially were just simply terrible. Now compare that to Marvel Studios. In my opinion Iron Man, and Captain America were great, Thor was very good, and Iron Man 2 was okay. Also, people have a habbit of forgetting the past. Fox had a great movie with X-2 and then they followed it with X-men 3 The Last Stand and Wolverine Origins, so just because they produced a great movie with X-men First Class it doesn't mean they will have any problems following it up with a turd, as they have not had a problem doing so in the past. Keep in mind X-men 3 earned a ton of money do you think Fox cared if anyone liked it. No, because if they did they would have done a better job on Wolverine Origins. It wasn't until Wolverines box office numbers were so, so that they thought we better do a better job next time or lose our audience. I realize that everyone has the right to their opinion, but I think if you asked if Captain America or X-men First Class was a better movie amongst fans you would find a pretty even split (as CBM did a poll where First Class did win over Captain America, but only by a very small margin). However, I think if a poll was conducted amongst fans as to which studio produces better comic book movies Marvel or Fox, I think it would be a landslide win for Marvel.

Surfer

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, Marvel Studios only have ONE great film (Iron Man), so... Yeah, Fox got the better track record.

Well.... I'm going by general consensus, not personal thought...

 

[Crimson King]

As far as I'm concerned, ALL of your posts are spam. All you do is knock people's opinions and act like a wannabe moderator instead of actually contributing to debates or discussions. Your presence in this forum is really starting to seem pointless because [for some reason] you seem to think that you can dictate what's being discussed here. What was it that you said last time? Oh yeah, "I move that since we're not allowed to post leaked pics that we disallow the discussing of leaked scripts." I laughed so hard at that post. "I move". You're not a mod. Suggestion: next time you see a debate going on in this thread, try adding to the topic being debated instead of taking laughable jabs at me.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Iceman]

I know Im in the minority, but X-men 2 is easily the most overrated comic book movie there is. its just another wolverine movie. X-men FC walks all over it. I totally expect the Avengers to take the title for best ensemble superhero movie next year in the eyes of most people.

Even if it is just another Wolverine movie, it's a good one unlike...you know..Wolverine.

 

[hame4479]

IM2, Thor & Cap are not quality movies. They're just good popcorn movies. I love the characters - so I enjoyed the movies. But ask a person that doesn't care about the characters, how they felt, & the last thing you'll hear is that they're quality films. X2, X-Men: First Class & X-Men (the one that launched this genre) on the other hand are considered great movies by fans & non-fans alike. I'll take a film that advances the genre any day (First Class) over one that whilst entertaining is just by-the-numbers (Cap). I'm really hoping that with The Avengers (and Joss Whedon) we can get a return to quality from Marvel Studios.

X-men may have launched the genre but I would say that it doesn't stand up to any of marvel's films when viewed today, and while first class and X2 were both great comic films they too are by no means light years ahead of what marvel studios has produced. Not to mention when you think about the broad heroes that marvel is dealing with, a radioactive monster, a billionaire tech head, a WWII super soldier, and a norse/alien god, and the fact that they have delivered high quality films and managed to tie them all together into one cohesive whole is so much more impressive than anything fox has produced x-men wise that I can't even believe that you are mentioning that studios name in this thread. Although they did have an impressive summer first class and apes were both great films.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Also... just so everyone knows.... x-men did not jumpstart the genre... everyone knows that was Blade. If you want to be technical.

 

[C. Lee]

The AVENGERS.....yeah, that's the ticket.....the AVENGERS........

 

[Stringer]

Even if it is just another Wolverine movie, it's a good one unlike...you know..Wolverine.

Wolverine 1-3 are better than Wolverine origins. that's not saying much

 

[dony2012]

Again, this is your opinion, one that seems to be in the extreme minority. XM and X2 are good films, but I fear that both are really approaching the level of being overrated. I would not consider XM any better than Thor and X2 for all of its praise still has some flaws. I haven't seen XM:FC but I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I do, but that doesn't mean that I will cease to be nervous about Marvel's Fox-held properties.

Minority you say?

Well then, let's have a look...


IMDb score:


Thor - 7.4

Cap - 7.4

Iron Man 2 - 7.1

The Incredible Hulk - 7.0




...


First Class - 8.0

X2 - 7.7

X-Men - 7.4



Rotten Tomatoes score:


Thor - 77%, Average Rating: 6.4/10

Cap - 79%, Average Rating: 6.7/10

Iron Man 2 - 74%, Average Rating: 6/10

The Incredible Hulk - 66%, Average Rating: 5.7/10




...



First Class - 87%, Average Rating: 7.4/10

X2 - 88%, Average Rating: 7.5/10

X-Men - 82%, Average Rating: 7.5/10





Well then?

 

[Matt Mortem]

So are they shooting anymore awesome stuff today?

 

[C. Lee]

A...V...E...N...G...E...R...S


Avengers is the topic........

 

[Crimson King]

I'm surprised at how little we've gotten from the set today. I was hoping for a Thor or BW sighting.

 

[RealIrOnMaN]

So are they shooting anymore awesome stuff today?

Yes, but most of it is secret (no access to extras & paparazzis).

 

[Matt Mortem]

Yes, but most of it is secret (no access to extras & paparazzis).

Lame. I want more set pics!

 

[Crimson King]

Yes, but most of it is secret (no access to extras & paparazzis).

I wonder if they're shutting down the buildings surrounding the scene as well. They must have, otherwise someone would have taken shots from inside.

That's a big set closure.

 

[Surfer]

t:

X-men may have launched the genre but I would say that it doesn't stand up to any of marvel's films when viewed today, and while first class and X2 were both great comic films they too are by no means light years ahead of what marvel studios has produced. Not to mention when you think about the broad heroes that marvel is dealing with, a radioactive monster, a billionaire tech head, a WWII super soldier, and a norse/alien god, and the fact that they have delivered high quality films and managed to tie them all together into one cohesive whole is so much more impressive than anything fox has produced x-men wise that I can't even believe that you are mentioning that studios name in this thread. Although they did have an impressive summer first class and apes were both great films.

I agree entirely what Marvel is doing successfully is way tougher then what Fox is doing. I mean the X-men story at its core is such a good one because it deals with people feeling like outcasts and being different and coming to terms with it, that Fox doesn't have to do much to get it right (definitely one of the easiest comics to portray on film). So when they screw it up, don't care or plain just don't get it, then it becomes all the more frustrating.

Anyways, I just wanted to say I apologize if my original comment about wishing Fantastic Fours rights would revert back to Marvel has derailed this thread.

We need more Avengers pics and videos.t:

Surfer

 

[RealIrOnMaN]

Well, I'm really glad, that somehow Joss & crew have managed to shoot a lot of stuff, but at the same time (unlike TDKR crew) they haven't revealed that much.

 

[RealIrOnMaN]

I wonder if they're shutting down the buildings surrounding the scene as well. They must have, otherwise someone would have taken shots from inside.

That's a big set closure.

Their security is quite tight, when needed.

 

[Surfer]

I wonder if they're shutting down the buildings surrounding the scene as well. They must have, otherwise someone would have taken shots from inside.

That's a big set closure.

Yeah, they seem to be doing a pretty good job at keeping it away from public viewing. Oh, well got to go to work. Will check on things tonight.

Surfer