The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[Chewy]

i'm leaning to that too.. there's no way they'd be distinct characters yet only played by stunt men (unless there robots or non humanoid creatures...)

There's that, but there's also

Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Hulk
Loki
Nick Fury
Phil Coulson
Maria Hill
Sharon Carter (?)

and so on.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

We don't even know how they'd be portrayed in the Avengers to even say that.

We know these aliens use multiple types of advanced weaponry and equipment. The Inhumans ARE the weapons. They have powers.

 

[Chewy]

Uhhhh The Hulk? He's played by a guy in a MoCap suit. Just thought I'd catch you up.

Mark Ruffalo in a mocap suit

 

[Rock Sexton]

Mark Ruffalo in a mocap suit

Yes?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Uhhhh The Hulk? He's played by a guy in a MoCap suit. Just thought I'd catch you up.

A guy called Mark Ruffalo....an actor....not a stuntman...Just to catch you up :P

 

[Rock Sexton]

We know these aliens use multiple types of advanced weaponry and equipment. The Inhumans ARE the weapons. They have powers.

Let's just say for a moment it's the Inhumans .... couldn't it be possible they bring along with them a small legion of Krees? Hence the weaponry?

 

[Rock Sexton]

A guy called Mark Ruffalo....an actor....not a stuntman...Just to catch you up :P

That wasn't the point. Hulk is voiced by Lou Ferigno. Ruffalo just moves around in the suit and they use his facial imprint. Good thing I caught you up.

Why can't the guys in the Mocap suits be used for the same?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There's that, but there's also

Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Hulk
Loki
Nick Fury
Phil Coulson
Maria Hill
Sharon Carter (?)

and so on.

yeah, but when has any of these movies had villains who arn't known actors? Hell.. even star trek had eric bana on top of their huge cast.

this is where rumors get quite messed up. This whole fight has Chris Evans in scenes of it.. but everyone else is stuntmen. Yet we are told these are known characters, a small fraction, with all individual personalities and traits (making it sound like lots of characterization) visual footage points to grunts.. henchmen.. or at least part of an army of something. This is where i believe either Poni's information source is mistaken, or Poni is just being extremely cryptic.. because lets face it. If it's nothing more than CG versions of the brood.. they could each have their own distinct personalities... (thus an animators job)

 

[Rock Sexton]

yeah, but when has any of these movies had villains who arn't known actors? Hell.. even star trek had eric bana on top of their huge cast.

this is where rumors get quite messed up. This whole fight has Chris Evans in scenes of it.. but everyone else is stuntmen. Yet we are told these are known characters, a small fraction, with all individual personalities and traits (making it sound like lots of characterization) visual footage points to grunts.. henchmen.. or at least part of an army of something. This is where i believe either Poni's information source is mistaken, or Poni is just being extremely cryptic.. because lets face it. If it's nothing more than CG versions of the brood.. they could each have their own distinct personalities... (thus an animators job)

Or again an army is brought with the individuals that the Avengers will be facing.

 

[Chewy]

Let's just say for a moment it's the Inhumans .... couldn't it be possible they bring along with them a small legion of Krees? Hence the weaponry?

Then what's the point of the Inhumans being in the movie, if the Kree are who the Avengers are fighting?

You all are bending logic to fit your theory, rather than vice versa

 

[Rain]

So, according to wikipedia the Ultimate version of Ronan is the son of Thanos. I wonder if they'll use that in a future film.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Uhhhh The Hulk? He's played by a guy in a MoCap suit. Just thought I'd catch you up.

and is a main character... and is played by a known actor.

unless these villains are minor.. they're not going to be known actors.. nor be characters that probably show their faces, or have much importance. Thus also ruiling out the inhumans. Like I said.. they are recognizable characters, and will probably eventually get their own movie. It'd be like having the NEW WARRIORS show up in the film, attack, and then be no name actors/stunt men. it's not very logical.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Then what's the point of the Inhumans being in the movie, if the Kree are who the Avengers are fighting?

You all are bending logic to fit your theory, rather than vice versa

You've got Cap, Fury, Widow, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Thor, Coulson, Maria Hill, SHIELD, and the army.

You have a handful of Inhumans and some Kree soldiers to back them up.

How is that bending logic?

 

[Rock Sexton]

and is a main character... and is played by a known actor.

Ferigno is voicing The Hulk. Why can't they do that for other main characters?

unless these villains are minor.. they're not going to be known actors.. nor be characters that probably show their faces, or have much importance. Thus also ruiling out the inhumans. Like I said.. they are recognizable characters, and will probably eventually get their own movie. It'd be like having the NEW WARRIORS show up in the film, attack, and then be no name actors/stunt men. it's not very logical.

You're still not hearing me when I said they could be Kree soldiers accompanying them on their mission.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Let's just say for a moment it's the Inhumans .... couldn't it be possible they bring along with them a small legion of Krees? Hence the weaponry?

for the sake of the argument... it'd be the other way around... The Kree would be bringing them. And why bring the kree when they can do it themselves?

it makes far more sense for it just to be a sect of Kree soldiers.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

It's fairly obvious the invading aliens will NOT have discernible, distinct personalities.

Poni Boy dissagrees with you. And like Rock mentioned, one of the film's protagonists is being played by a guy in a mo-cap suit. You don't need a real actor to do the physical part of the performance. You just need ADR.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

That wasn't the point. Hulk is voiced by Lou Ferigno. Ruffalo just moves around in the suit and they use his facial imprint. Good thing I caught you up.

Why can't the guys in the Mocap suits be used for the same?

I know your point, it just wasn't a valid counterpoint to Spidey's. He said they wouldn't have 'Stuntmen' doing all the mocap work for defined and prominent characters, to which you said "Duuuuuuh, Hulk?" which wasn't a valid observation, since that prominent and defined character is being portrayed by TWO actors, let alone just one.

Let's just say for a moment it's the Inhumans .... couldn't it be possible they bring along with them a small legion of Krees? Hence the weaponry?

Ahhhhh, but wouldn't that then start to dilute what we've been told? Just a small group of invaders, no armies (which according to Alexei, discounts the Kree). Also, how big would this squad be then for there to be ENOUGH member of the Inhumans for that group to even be represented, as well as a number of Kree grunts on the side. How many would that be, 7 - 10? So there are going to be that number of 'defined and distinct' personality driven characters? I don't think so. We've been told every member of this force has a personality.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That wasn't the point. Hulk is voiced by Lou Ferigno. Ruffalo just moves around in the suit and they use his facial imprint. Good thing I caught you up.

Why can't the guys in the Mocap suits be used for the same?

ummm where the hell did you get that info? Last i checked Ruffalo has given several interviews saying he's voicing hulk...

 

[Chewy]

So, what? There are 20 characters who will all be developed and have personalities in the movie? 25?

Come on.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Then what's the point of the Inhumans being in the movie, if the Kree are who the Avengers are fighting?

You all are bending logic to fit your theory, rather than vice versa

exactly... thus why they frustrate me sooooo Chewy! lol. According to their logic, they might as well ignore decades of Avenger's history.. and already have Spidey, Luke Cage, and co. go ahead and join the team too..

they're only paying attention to Inhuman connection to the kree within the last 2-3 years... not caring if they ignore their entire history...

 

[Rock Sexton]

I know your point, it just wasn't a valid counterpoint to Spidey's. He said they wouldn't have 'Stuntmen' doing all the mocap work for defined and prominent characters, to which you said "Duuuuuuh, Hulk?" which wasn't a valid observation, since that prominent and defined character is being portrayed by TWO actors, let alone just one.

No my point was you can't discount anything just based on Mocap suits.

Ahhhhh, but wouldn't that then start to dilute what we've been told? Just a small group of invaders, no armies (which according to Alexei, discounts the Kree). Also, how big would this squad be then for there to be ENOUGH member of the Inhumans for that group to even be represented, as well as a number of Kree grunts on the side. How many would that be, 7 - 10? So there are going to be that number of 'defined and distinct' personality driven characters? I don't think so. We've been told every member of this force has a personality.

I don't have a specific number for you. But how is it far fetched to have grunts for the protagonists to kick around? We know there are spaceships involved. I know Poni said the main villains were actual characters that have names .... but he never denounced grunts from anything I've read.

 

[Rock Sexton]

exactly... thus why they frustrate me sooooo Chewy! lol. According to their logic, they might as well ignore decades of Avenger's history.. and already have Spidey, Luke Cage, and co. go ahead and join the team too..

they're only paying attention to Inhuman connection to the kree within the last 2-3 years... not caring if they ignore their entire history...

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't have a specific number for you. But how is it far fetched to have grunts for the protagonists to kick around? We know there are spaceships involved. I know Poni said the main villains were actual characters that have names .... but he never denounced grunts from anything I've read.

It's only farfetched because it goes beyond what we've been told. ALL the invaders were said to have personalities and names. For you to assume there are grunts would be to ignore what we've been told, and if we start ignoring that, this whole theory of Inhumans falls apart anyway because that's what most of this flimsy theory is based on.

At the closest, I can see this being like a 'Howling Commandos/Invaders' situation from Cap. We still didn't get Namor did we? Yet people were adamant because of the name Invaders that we were gonna have the 'comic' Invaders.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't have a specific number for you. But how is it far fetched to have grunts for the protagonists to kick around? We know there are spaceships involved. I know Poni said the main villains were actual characters that have names .... but he never denounced grunts from anything I've read.

It's only farfetched because it goes beyond what we've been told. ALL the invaders were said to have personalities and names. For you to assume there are grunts would be to ignore what we've been told, and if we start ignoring that, this whole theory of Inhumans falls apart anyway because that's what most of this flimsy theory is based on.

At the closest, I can see this being like a 'Howling Commandos/Invaders' situation from Cap. We still didn't get Namor did we? Yet people were adamant because of the name Invaders that we were gonna have the 'comic' Invaders.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Please bear in mind: Loki is NOT the God of Evil. He's the God of Mischief. He's a trickster god, and tricksters are not by definition evil. (That doesn't mean they can't do Very Bad things.)

You're more on the mark with saying that he's a master manipulator. Yes, he's a liar. He's also an embodiment of chaos. But just as Thor is a god of storms, chaos is a force of nature, and can't always be easily categorized as good or evil. It exists for its own sake.

That ought to typify Loki. His goals are his own, and nobody can truly count on him as an ally, or as a pure enemy.

In the Marvel Universe, Loki is known as the God of Evil as well. He might have started out as the God of Mischief, but it's Evil now.