The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[Chewy]

I don't see "The Avengers fighting a vague alien threat that we won't show you" working out too well as a marketing strategy. This isn't Super 8 or Cloverfeild.

Perhaps they're waiting for the CGI to be done before the reveal ala the Hulk. Cap, Thor and IM are fine selling points in the mean time.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, so basically like most of us, you have no idea who the villains are nor of who they won't be.

If you can 'call it' and say Inhumans are in the film, Chewy can do the same and say they aren't. He has no evidence, neither do you. You're a match made in heaven. Like the Odd Couple, only more like the Even Couple.

Alexei: I'll do the dishes!

Chewy: I've already done them!

[Theme song]

Seriously though, out of all the alien races, why would the Inhumans fit anyway? If we're going to make factless speculations, let's at least try and put reason behind them. Also, Alexei, since you read the leaked script, I thought you already KNEW everything about this film?

Bobby, thanks for the friendly support but its perfectly normal to have "kliks" in message boards. They all back each other up even if the argument they're supporting is incorrect or cruel. I post over in an NBA forum where we do our best to welcome new people & maintain a modus of decorum, but there are others I post in where newbies get it pretty rough - my most recent SHH welcoming posts come from Whiskey Tango who thinks I'm a "dickface" & Spideyboy who thinks I'm a 12-year-old (ironically my daughter's 13). Gotta love the internet, my man, specially this forum where open flames seem to go unnoticed when performed by veteran members. In other news, Chewy is still 100% sure that The Inhumans won't be the villains. I wonder what else he knows...

Alexei, tell me, what part of the Inhumans qualifies them to be the invanders, other than the fact that they are 'Aliens'.

Re: The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15
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Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111
he doesn't get flamed for unpopular opinions. He get's flame for remarks that don't have logic tied to them (like he's still assuming the inhumans are the villain invaders) even when explained.. he still tries to shove his opinion down everyones throats, even when they try to explain to him how that's a very unlikely case. that's when he get's flamed. And if you pay attention, you'll notice that.

Nah, he's just arguing his point. Why make it if you don't stand by it? Even if it sounds unlikely or whatever at least it's conversation. It's in the title of the tread. "Speculating." People get kicked off message boards for being jerks to other people, or actually trying to force their opinion on others. I like having good arguments. I've learned a lot that way

No one is trying to force their opinion on Alexei, he's just pissing people off with double standards. He said "I'm gonna call it, it's the Inhumans!" and when Chewy said "They won't be in this film" he started calling foul, pulling the entirely overused "Oh, so you've seen the film, huh Bucko?".

Then, what annoys me the most, is he tries to elevate himself above all of us, making us out to be just 'teh internets mob mentality', completely disregarding us each individually as posters, entitled to our own damn opinions. I happen to agree with Chewy, I see no reason to suggest the Inhumans being in this film. If Alexei is going to attack Chewy for his view, then that also means he's attacking my view.

Which, is all very ironic, since most of his whines now are very similar to the way people reacted to him with his 'leaked script', an attitude which he demonised. Alexei buddy, you're just another forum fanboy like the rest of us, you're not entitled to any more rights for opinion than others and if you look down on others and treat them badly, don't expect overwhelming support when you pull the ''victim' card.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Bobby, thanks for the friendly support but its perfectly normal to have "kliks" in message boards. They all back each other up even if the argument they're supporting is incorrect or cruel. I post over in an NBA forum where we do our best to welcome new people & maintain a modus of decorum, but there are others I post in where newbies get it pretty rough - my most recent SHH welcoming posts come from Whiskey Tango who thinks I'm a "dickface" & Spideyboy who thinks I'm a 12-year-old (ironically my daughter's 13). Gotta love the internet, my man, specially this forum where open flames seem to go unnoticed when performed by veteran members. In other news, Chewy is still 100% sure that The Inhumans won't be the villains. I wonder what else he knows...

bud, im just simply asking you to listen when explained how something doesn't fit. We try to help you with that, but it's almost as if you have blinders on, or are purposely trolling to get a rise out of us...

 

[TheVileOne]

I also want Loki and Thor to wear their helmets this time.

 

[darkslayer101]

I also want Loki and Thor to wear their helmets this time.

first chainmail then helment

 

[Chewy]

The Inhumans are a group headed by a dozen or so characters with clearly defined traits that would need to be fleshed out. Obviously this does not fit into a movie with a dozen or so main characters who already need fleshing out. Seems pretty cut and dry, but I guess you can find someone who will argue anything on the internet.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Celestials!!!!!

AND!

Thanos!....somehow

From Wikipedia

"Referred to as "space gods" by the Eternals and the Deviants, the Celestials appear as silent, armored humanoids with an average height of 2,000 feet (610 m).Visiting Earth every thousand years in groups called "Hosts," the group are revealed to have been responsible for the creation of both the Eternals and the Deviants over a million years ago, and the genetic manipulation is ultimately responsible for the existence of superpowers in mutants.
Resenting the presence of the Celestials and their monitoring of Earth's progress, the Skyfather figures of Earth (e.g., Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu) attempted to stop the Third Host, but are quickly outmatched. The Skyfathers then develop a convoluted plan to stop the Fourth Host via the use of the Odinsword and Destroyer armour, but once again the Celestials - although also opposed by Odin's son Thor - prevent the offensive and melt the Destroyer armour into slag, scattering the Asgardians' life-forces. Thor throws the Odinsword through Arishem's chest, but he removes it, analyzes it, and vaporizes it. The Earthmothers (such as Frigga and Hera) of Earth, however, make an offering of twelve perfect humans, which is accepted and the planet is spared judgment.
The judgment process is eventually witnessed by Thor, observing Celestial Arishem the Judge sending an execution code to Exitar the Exterminator, a 20,000-foot (6,100 m) tall Celestial who carries out Arishem's "sentence". Exitar terraforms the planet in question into a garden paradise, with only the "evil" inhabitants having been destroyed.On one occasion the hero Quasar observes a race completely fail the genetic test, with every living creature being destroyed with their planet.The Celestials' actions conflict with the policy of "non-interference" practiced by fellow cosmic entities the Watchers, with the two races having become enemies.The Celestials and their "opposites", a group of entities known as the Horde, are established as instruments of an entity referred to as the Fulcrum, their purpose to be "instruments of the planting/creation/teeming of the universe".
The team of space adventurers the Guardians of the Galaxy find and use as a base the severed head of a Celestial floating in an area of space known as "The Rip." Dubbing the structure "Knowhere," it also acts as a common port of call (complete with a market and bar) for travelers from all points in the space-time continuum. The base is administered by its chief of security, Cosmo, a telepathic and telekinetic Soviet space dog originally lost in Earth orbit in the 1960s. Courtesy of the deceased Celestial's "Continuum Cortex", travelers with special "passport" bracelets can teleport to any point in the universe instantaneously."

 

[TheVileOne]

Thor's got his hammer and cape, he can have his helmet.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't see "The Avengers fighting a vague alien threat that we won't show you" working out too well as a marketing strategy. This isn't Super 8 or Cloverfeild.

Lol it was only a matter of time before we had some of the ol' "Marvel doesn't know how to market things" arguments. It wouldn't be a MCU film thread without it.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Bobby, I waited in line 4 hours to see IM2 at the Navy Pier IMAX here in Chi-Town. I spent like $150 between gas, food & tickets (brought my daughter & nephews). While I loved the way the film looked, I really felt like Favreau suffered MAJOR studio interference during the shoot. Something I was even more inclined to believe after listening to the audio commentary & watching the special features on the Blu-Ray. The movie really didn't feel like an Iron Man movie for me. As hot as ScarJo was in EVERY scene, I just didn't understand why we needed to see her or Fury instead of seeing more of Rourke & Rockwell's mission to destroy Tony. I felt like the whole thing was an overdose of the Tony scene in TIH. "Let's actually make SHIELD part of the plot." What they shoulda focused on was Vanko - which coulda been great had he been developed more. By now you probably know I didn't warm up to Cheadle either, so that was yet another detrimental aspect of the film for me. Loved what was after-the-credits though.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The Inhumans are a group headed by a dozen or so characters with clearly defined traits that would need to be fleshed out. Obviously this does not fit into a movie with a dozen or so main characters who already need fleshing out. Seems pretty cut and dry, but I guess you can find someone who will argue anything on the internet.

this, that and they just wouldn't make sense in any of this context we are given.. spaceships? laser guns? infiltration?

not to mention, it's not going to be an important team that could spawn off a solo film when they're CGI and completely unknown actors. Also... there's not a single reason as to why Medusa, Karnac, Crystal, Blackbolt, and Maximus would need CG costumes...

marvel studios have been VERY TRUE to there characters so far.. it's least likely they'd suddenly rip inhumans apart. Therefore... next to Galactus invading.. the inhumans are the least likely for an alien invasion in this Avenger's film.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well why would Skrulls or Kree need CG costumes ? Unless, they aren't Kree or Skrulls .

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Regarding anything that has been said about any of the potential invading alien races, some which are known to me and some that aren't; they should actually all be valid because of one simple fact I think we're all overlooking:

"Comic book to film Adaptation"

Any of these races could very well be written differently for the purposes of the film and not simply because the comics wrote them one way first. I think the biggest argument I've seen against the Skrulls so far are the fact that Fox might still have ownership over the name. If that's the case then Krees, Deviants, Inhumans, etc. might take their place and simply be written differently.

Is it likely? It's hard to say at the moment because Marvel Studios has the luxury of being more comic book accurate than other Marvel properties that belong to other studios. Although we have seen some obvious adaptation with the fact that a lot of the films have their grounding in the 616 universe but they all have a little Ultimate infusion here and there, the most obvious being Nick Fury of course, but who didn't see that coming? I still think that without the Fantastic Four, any alien invasion won't be as fun. I hope I'm wrong.

Honestly, I think we're all just really antsy for some news. Look at us. We're discussing comic book movies at near 3 in the morning. At least I am anyway.....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well why would Skrulls or Kree need CG costumes ? Unless, they aren't Kree or Skrulls .

skrulls being completely CG would make perfect sense compared to what they look like. as well as their abilities. and the kree have been depicted several times using hightech costumes, which could easily on screen use an effect ala green lantern.

the reason it doesn't work for the Inhumans is because you'd be jumping ahead so far into their story history that it simply doesn't make sense. The whole story of the inhumans is that they're kree experiments.. they broke away from them, and created there own race. They also lived on earth for quite a while before jumping to the moon, then space

 

[TheVileOne]

Well what about the aliens from Ultimates spideyboy?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Going back to my secret wish of Coulson being Mar-Vell, I would love it if it were the Kree.

Imagine this, a specific unit of the Kree sent in to scout out earth after being alerted to the presence of the cosmic cube, a source of power and energy that could be used in their war with the Skrulls. These Kree have infiltrated as sleeper agents and have bided their time until the cube is within reach.

The end conflict could be their escape plan, some sort of devestating doomsday weapon to distract as they escape with the cube. Anyway, movie plays out, they get thwarted but warn the coming of a great war and they shall be destroyed.

Then, end credits scene, Fury talking to Coulson, Fury leaves and Coulson powers on Mar-Vell style :P

I just think it'd be totally cool if, after SHIELD and earth think the Kree are a serious threat, one of their allies turns out to be a Kree warrior. In Avengers 2 he could get incarcerated by Fury and interrogated. Then, the Skrull or Thanos can come to earth and Mar-vell becomes an ally in the end. I could definitely see something like that working really well and blowing the whole Marvel cosmic universe wide open.

Pure fantasy though, wishful thinking :P

 

[Chewy]

Regarding anything that has been said about any of the potential invading alien races, some which are known to me and some that aren't; they should actually all be valid because of one simple fact I think we're all overlooking:

"Comic book to film Adaptation"

Any of these races could very well be written differently for the purposes of the film and not simply because the comics wrote them one way first. I think the biggest argument I've seen against the Skrulls so far are the fact that Fox might still have ownership over the name. If that's the case then Krees, Deviants, Inhumans, etc. might take their place and simply be written differently.

Why would they rip the name from an existing race in the comics and slap it on Skrull substitutes? If anything they'd just call them Chitauri in that case, just like the Ultimate U.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

After snooping around a bit on wikipedia reading up on Thanos and I came across what I believe is what we may be getting in Avengers.

"The character first appears in Iron Man #55 (Feb. 1973), and is established as a "cosmic villain". Thanos forms a plan that spans multiple titles, including Captain Marvel #25–33 (bi-monthly: Mar. 1972 - July 1974), with cameo appearances in Daredevil #107 (Jan. 1974) and Avengers #125 (July 1974) and a one-shot story in Logan's Run #6 (June 1977). Wishing to conquer the galaxy, the character builds a base on Earth, constructs a space vessel that acts as a "universal translator" for his huge army of alien mercenaries, and begins an obsessive quest for an item called the Cosmic Cube, which can make wishes a reality."

Take out the base on earth part and add Loki to that somehow and you got yourself an awesome movie! An army of different Alien Mercenaries will explain why "They all look different"and we may be able to "name"each race while Thanos with Loki's help is the main bad.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Regarding anything that has been said about any of the potential invading alien races, some which are known to me and some that aren't; they should actually all be valid because of one simple fact I think we're all overlooking:

"Comic book to film Adaptation"

Any of these races could very well be written differently for the purposes of the film and not simply because the comics wrote them one way first. I think the biggest argument I've seen against the Skrulls so far are the fact that Fox might still have ownership over the name. If that's the case then Krees, Deviants, Inhumans, etc. might take their place and simply be written differently.

Is it likely? It's hard to say at the moment because Marvel Studios has the luxury of being more comic book accurate than other Marvel properties that belong to other studios. Although we have seen some obvious adaptation with the fact that a lot of the films have their grounding in the 616 universe but they all have a little Ultimate infusion here and there, the most obvious being Nick Fury of course, but who didn't see that coming? I still think that without the Fantastic Four, any alien invasion won't be as fun. I hope I'm wrong.

Honestly, I think we're all just really antsy for some news. Look at us. We're discussing comic book movies at near 3 in the morning. At least I am anyway.....

fox just owns "super skrull", marvel owns "skrulls". it's written into their contract.

also, i really suggest you read up on your inhumans history... they'd have to be utterly butchered needlessly to be in this film. That's why it's pretty clear they're not in the film.

 

[Chewy]

Going back to my secret wish of Coulson being Mar-Vell, I would love it if it were the Kree.

Imagine this, a specific unit of the Kree sent in to scout out earth after being alerted to the presence of the cosmic cube, a source of power and energy that could be used in their war with the Skrulls. These Kree have infiltrated as sleeper agents and have bided their time until the cube is within reach.

The end conflict could be their escape plan, some sort of devestating doomsday weapon to distract as they escape with the cube. Anyway, movie plays out, they get thwarted but warn the coming of a great war and they shall be destroyed.

Then, end credits scene, Fury talking to Coulson, Fury leaves and Coulson powers on Mar-Vell style :P

I just think it'd be totally cool if, after SHIELD and earth think the Kree are a serious threat, one of their allies turns out to be a Kree warrior. In Avengers 2 he could get incarcerated by Fury and interrogated. Then, the Skrull or Thanos can come to earth and Mar-vell becomes an ally in the end. I could definitely see something like that working really well and blowing the whole Marvel cosmic universe wide open.

Pure fantasy though, wishful thinking :P

My dream movie in the MCU is a huge space adventure starring Mar-Vell that ends with his death, and leads to Ms Marvel.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well what about the aliens from Ultimates spideyboy?

they're just as likely.. but no one really wants them, and they could potentially cause harm to the ability to tell later stories (such as the Romeo and Juliet style love affair of the skrull princess and captain marvel)

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Another possible invading force that not many are considering is Kang, though ....I don't think he should be the first villain. And IMO he doesn't mix as well with Loki.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Wolvie, if you go back a few pages & read my original post, while I did say that I was "calling it" regarding The Inhumans as the villains, I also said that hopefully D23 would either confirm or deny that. I never said "There is no possible way that The Inhumans are going to be in this film" which is pretty much what Chewy said (twice). I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, nor have I ever made bold statements when speculating. Right now, I'm just working with the little Pony Boy's given us since he turned down The Deviants, The Kree, The Skrulls & The Celestials as villains. Maybe he'll wake up tomorrow & say its not The Inhumans either. Personally, I'd prefer what he's suggesting. A smaller group in which each character has an individual personality. From what I had read, the no-name shape-shifters sounded like Skrulls, but with all these shape-shifting MCU aliens, who knows? The little I read did have deception within SHIELD as a major part of the invaders' plot. But we'll see.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Going back to my secret wish of Coulson being Mar-Vell, I would love it if it were the Kree.

Imagine this, a specific unit of the Kree sent in to scout out earth after being alerted to the presence of the cosmic cube, a source of power and energy that could be used in their war with the Skrulls. These Kree have infiltrated as sleeper agents and have bided their time until the cube is within reach.

The end conflict could be their escape plan, some sort of devestating doomsday weapon to distract as they escape with the cube. Anyway, movie plays out, they get thwarted but warn the coming of a great war and they shall be destroyed.

Then, end credits scene, Fury talking to Coulson, Fury leaves and Coulson powers on Mar-Vell style :P

I just think it'd be totally cool if, after SHIELD and earth think the Kree are a serious threat, one of their allies turns out to be a Kree warrior. In Avengers 2 he could get incarcerated by Fury and interrogated. Then, the Skrull or Thanos can come to earth and Mar-vell becomes an ally in the end. I could definitely see something like that working really well and blowing the whole Marvel cosmic universe wide open.

Pure fantasy though, wishful thinking :P

I actually love the idea of Coulson being Mar-vel in disguise.. and wouldn't put it past whedon to pull such a thing.

 

[Herolee10]

My dream movie in the MCU is a huge space adventure starring Mar-Vell that ends with his death, and leads to Ms Marvel.

Man, the budget for that film would be HUGE! If done correctly I mean.lol


You know, even IF Coulson turns out to be 'someone' else, I just can't see the guy being revealed to be a villain of some sorts, because everything we've seen of him hasn't screamed to me as "ulterior motive", and they've gone a little more in depth with his character for them to pull the "oh he's actually a villain" route imho.