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[Raiden]

Been gone a few days, don't really know what's going on, but I think that's hysterical.
X3 couldn't hold a candle to Captain America, and most critics and people in the GA would agree with that.
But yeah, Mickey Rourke is apparently pretty pissed at Marvel for cutting out a good deal of his character.
Here's his exact quote:

I completely understand why he's mad, but at the end of the day I'm always going to be on Marvel's side. They're bringing us the Avengers and have done a fantastic job so far of making quality movies of some of my favorite characters, I'll trust their judgement in the long run.
Plus one of the thing's that Mickey brought to the movie that made it in the final cut was the whole bird thing, which I found pointless and stupid. Who knows what else he wanted to do with the character.

I'm not always happy with the way Marvel does things, particularly when they decided to cut the scene where Banner was trying to committ suicide in TIH (and got Norton all pissed off in the process, which likely contributed to Marvel's decide not to bring him back in The Avengers). But I for one don't think focusing too much on Varko in IM2 would've been a good idea, and having Justin Hammer as the secondary villain made the movie shifts its attention over to the villains' side, which I don't think would've worked. I think in the end, Rourke is just not suited to be in a movie about superheroes.

 

[Juicy J]

i'm not always happy with the way marvel does things, particularly when they decided to cut the scene where banner was trying to committ suicide in tih (and got norton all pissed off in the process, which likely contributed to marvel's decide not to bring him back in the avengers).

I would've liked for that scene to be in the movie, but I can live without it. It definitely would have been a very gripping opening sequence but like I said, it doesn't make or break the film for me.
Plus, I still oddly don't care about Norton leaving. Never did, really. I would've preferred they keep the same actor from TIH in the Avengers for continuity's sake, but Norton brought nothing special to the role IMO. Maybe I'd change my mind if I saw the full uncut film but overall I found him pretty bland.
Plus they really do need all the actors in the Avengers to be 'team players'. They don't need to deal with one of their stars trying to take the reigns and steer the movie creatively, which I think could've easily happened with Norton.

but i for one don't think focusing too much on varko in im2 would've been a good idea, and having justin hammer as the secondary villain made the movie shifts its attention over to the villains' side, which i don't think would've worked. I think in the end, rourke is just not suited to be in a movie about superheroes.

Vanko did everything he needed to do, IMO. Yeah he wasn't the most fleshed out of characters and it would've been nice to see more of him, but at the end of the day it's Tony Starks movie. I enjoyed the heck out of IM2 and so did the packed house I saw it with on it's midnight opening, I still am not sure what people are complaining about.

 

[HULKFish]

Exactly. The fact that both TDKR and The Expendibles 2 are doing what they're doing proves that buzz of any particular moment means zilch when it comes down to how big such and such movie will be(because there's a helluva gap in the box office #'s of those two movie's predecessors).

Good point... Thanks! I think the Avengers should be there with LOTR: Return of the King and Star Wars! I've been waiting most of my life for this one!!!

And thank you RagingOvaries and WildcatNC...

 

[Tcrumzz]

I think the GA will have a hard time putting this in the same category as lotr or star wars. I don't lol. But the GA will wonder why its so important that these heroes are together. I know movie will cover that. But i feel Marvel needs to market the fact that the world is at stake better. The first trailer did a pretty good job of showing destruction and chaos. In both lotr and star wars we felt DESPAIR for the main characters. You felt they might not make it. I want the Avengers to feel that way so that it can stray away from the rest of the MCU. It needs to feel way more epic and important to the GA in order to catch their attention imo

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Nice to see Mickey opening up about Marvel's (Feige) poor decisions. Its only a matter of time now before Favs decides to spill too. The sad thing is that some people, even after the talent pretty much confirms it, will still continue to side with the studio despite the very evident decrease in the quality of the films. I still have a tough time believing some people here when they place IM2, Thor & Cap at the same level as Iron Man. IM2 was such a step down from the first film. Did anyone notice? Sure, they just won't admit it out of some misplaced love for the character(s). Same goes for Cap. Such an incomplete, mediocre movie yet everyone deems it a quality film that rivals TDK (I'm talking to you, Shadowlord). IM2 coulda been a fantastic film had Favreau just been allowed to make the film he wanted to make with RDJ, Mickey & Rockwell. Had he not been under Feige's rule. Same goes for TIH had Norton & Leterrier been able to release their cut of the film & not Feige's. I'm callin' it, Favs is next to spill.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'd like to know what exactly ended up on the cutting room floor, but at the end of the day, the movie was not about Rourke and it never was.

I think IM2 is very under appreciated. Look i'll agree, it wasn't as good as Thor or Captain America, although I did think it was better than TIH, however people act like it was s*** on toast. I really liked what they did with Tony's character in the movie.

Here's the most brilliant guy in the world and while he came up with a way to save his life and right his wrongs, ultimately it the same thing that saved him is killing him. Ivan Vanko wasn't meant to be a one dimensional bad-guy and I can't see how he would say that. This is a guy who is connected to the Stark legacy, and shows some of the darker side of his past but also his father's past.

I can understand an actor being upset with some of his scenes being left on the cutting room floor, but I can't blame Marvel for all of that.

 

[Tony Stark]

Nice to see Mickey opening up about Marvel's (Feige) poor decisions. Its only a matter of time now before Favs decides to spill too. The sad thing is that some people, even after the talent pretty much confirms it, will still continue to side with the studio despite the very evident decrease in the quality of the films. I still have a tough time believing some people here when they place IM2, Thor & Cap at the same level as Iron Man. IM2 was such a step down from the first film. Did anyone notice? Sure, they just won't admit it out of some misplaced love for the character(s). Same goes for Cap. Such an incomplete, mediocre movie yet everyone deems it a quality film that rivals TDK (I'm talking to you, Shadowlord). IM2 coulda been a fantastic film had Favreau just been allowed to make the film he wanted to make with RDJ, Mickey & Rockwell. Had he not been under Feige's rule. Same goes for TIH had Norton & Leterrier been able to release their cut of the film & not Feige's. I'm callin' it, Favs is next to spill.

Wow, how many times have you been warned by mods to quit stating your opinion as fact.

The fact is alot of people on these boards, Marvel fans, DC fans, or heck just movie fans thought Cap and Thor were great movies. You didn't like it, fine.

By the way you accused Shadowlord of lying about his age. I just turned 40 over the summer, and he seems 10000 times more mature than you've acted on this board.

 

[Juicy J]

Nice to see Mickey opening up about Marvel's (Feige) poor decisions. Its only a matter of time now before Favs decides to spill too. The sad thing is that some people, even after the talent pretty much confirms it, will still continue to side with the studio despite the very evident decrease in the quality of the films. I still have a tough time believing some people here when they place IM2, Thor & Cap at the same level as Iron Man. IM2 was such a step down from the first film. Did anyone notice? Sure, they just won't admit it out of some misplaced love for the character(s). Same goes for Cap. Such an incomplete, mediocre movie yet everyone deems it a quality film that rivals TDK (I'm talking to you, Shadowlord). IM2 coulda been a fantastic film had Favreau just been allowed to make the film he wanted to make with RDJ, Mickey & Rockwell. Had he not been under Feige's rule. Same goes for TIH had Norton & Leterrier been able to release their cut of the film & not Feige's. I'm callin' it, Favs is next to spill.

Captain America was a fantastic movie.
You think otherwise? Great, feel free to express your opinion and discuss accordingly. But you are firmly in the minority, so don't act as if your opinion carries any more weight than others.

 

[Herolee10]

From the individuals that I’ve talked with, the reason why it was harder for them to look at IM2 for the film that it was at first from their perspectives was that Iron man 1 had built up such great expectations from them since they really loved the first film. In a way, isn’t that like with all of us at first? Based on the success and love that we have for something that came before it, that we end up building such high expectations that we end up grading it harder when it didn’t meet those expectations?

 

[Aztec]

Can someone ban that troll already? He's been ruining these boards for months now.

Look I've said this a million times before: IM2 was a great movie but it had flaws. I would have certainly like to have seen more of Rourke, but what we got wasn't that bad that it's worth complaining about, IMHO. To be honest though, while I want more Vanko I don't think I would want more morally ambiguous Vanko but rather villain Vanko.

 

[Tcrumzz]

Need I repost to get rid of this subject of which movie is better? This is the AVENGERS board. Iron Man, Captain America and Thor each have their own respective boards. If you thought Captain America sucked, go to his boards. If Mickey Rourke's lack of input in the film upset you, the Iron Man 2 boards are still there. Thanks! lol

 

[Mjölnir]

From the individuals that I’ve talked with, the reason why it was harder for them to look at IM2 for the film that it was at first from their perspectives was that Iron man 1 had built up such great expectations from them since they really loved the first film. In a way, isn’t that like with all of us at first? Based on the success and love that we have for something that came before it, that we end up building such high expectations that we end up grading it harder when it didn’t meet those expectations?

Yes, having high expectations is one of the best ways to destroy a movie experience. If the expectations is high enough the best the movie can do is just do what you expected and there's so much room below to come up short.

I found IM2 entertaining. It wasn't as good as the first but if it needed to be in order to be entertaining there wouldn't be too many entertaining superhero movies out there.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I can already see it. Chris Evans, out of profound disgust for the franchise, drops out prior to Avengers 2 & publicly flames Marvel/Feige's mindless popcorn antics. But what do the fans do? Dismiss Evans. "He's just mad because he didn't get his way...Marvel knows what they're doing...I'm glad to see him go..." It just baffles me how even after RDJ & Rourke publicly badmouth IM2, people still refuse to accept the fact that those responsible for its failure are still in charge of making these films. How bad of a movie does Feige have to make before the fans finally say ENOUGH? Chris Evans pretty much confirms through every interview that he agreed to do Cap strictly for monetary gain. What's that say? Things have gotten really sloppy since IM2. The franchise is pretty much reserved for the purists now. Hell, they haven't been able to top Iron Man's numbers but people still say Thor & Cap did well with the GA. Honestly, if Avengers ends up being another cardboard "B" movie, I'm giving up on Marvel Studios.

 

[Juicy J]

I can already see it. Chris Evans, out of profound disgust for the franchise, drops out prior to Avengers 2 & publicly flames Marvel/Feige's mindless popcorn antics. But what do the fans do? Dismiss Evans. "He's just mad because he didn't get his way...Marvel knows what they're doing...I'm glad to see him go..." It just baffles me how even after RDJ & Rourke publicly badmouth IM2, people still refuse to accept the fact that those responsible for its failure are still in charge of making these films. How bad of a movie does Feige have to make before the fans finally say ENOUGH? Chris Evans pretty much confirms through every interview that he agreed to do Cap strictly for monetary gain. What's that say? Things have gotten really sloppy since IM2. The franchise is pretty much reserved for the purists now. Hell, they haven't been able to top Iron Man's numbers but people still say Thor & Cap did well with the GA. Honestly, if Avengers ends up being another cardboard "B" movie, I'm giving up on Marvel Studios.

 

[TheDragonator]

Why the hell would Evans drop out?

 

[TheDragonator]

Chris Evans pretty much confirms through every interview that he agreed to do Cap strictly for monetary gain.

If I recall, Evans did an interview where he said he would have done the role even if it WASN'T a superhero film, simply because of Steve's story and character.

So there goes your whole argument right out the window.

 

[The Infernal]

Must we? I'd rather have a full blown conversation about the movie score again with bamboo between my fingernails than entertain this dead horse again.

 

[Tcrumzz]

I tried. I really, really tried.

 

[Juicy J]

Chris Evans pretty much confirms through every interview that he agreed to do Cap strictly for monetary gain.

Find me ONE instance where he said he did Cap strictly for the money.
Just one.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, given that we have Paramount’s Logo attached to all of the promotional material for the film, it’s going to be kind of funny imho seeing Disney’s logo pop up instead at the beginning of the film in theaters.lol Heck, I can imagine on of my friends thinking at first that he’s at the wrong movie.

 

[Raiden]

Nice to see Mickey opening up about Marvel's (Feige) poor decisions. Its only a matter of time now before Favs decides to spill too. The sad thing is that some people, even after the talent pretty much confirms it, will still continue to side with the studio despite the very evident decrease in the quality of the films. I still have a tough time believing some people here when they place IM2, Thor & Cap at the same level as Iron Man. IM2 was such a step down from the first film. Did anyone notice? Sure, they just won't admit it out of some misplaced love for the character(s). Same goes for Cap. Such an incomplete, mediocre movie yet everyone deems it a quality film that rivals TDK (I'm talking to you, Shadowlord). IM2 coulda been a fantastic film had Favreau just been allowed to make the film he wanted to make with RDJ, Mickey & Rockwell. Had he not been under Feige's rule. Same goes for TIH had Norton & Leterrier been able to release their cut of the film & not Feige's. I'm callin' it, Favs is next to spill.

I don't think it's a secret that Marvel has had exerted their control over the movies they made, but there's also the fact that their films, for the most part, have worked. You may not like Thor and Capt. America, but they received pretty good reviews in RT and great WW box office return as well. And even if Shadowlord likes Cap as much as TDK, it's still better than your assessment that X3 is better than Capt. America.

 

[Hoblin]

I like Mickey Rourke, but he comes off as big, whiny cry baby in that interview. He should do himself (and everyone) a favor by just shutting up about it.

 

[Raiden]

Chris Evans pretty much confirms through every interview that he agreed to do Cap strictly for monetary gain.

I've read all the interviews of Chris Evans I can find where he discussed his involvement with Cap, and I never read about him using money as the reason for portraying Steve Rogers. If you have a link of that interview, I'd like you to post it here.

 

[TheDragonator]

Here's some quotes from Evans:

“It’s a great story about a relatable guy, he’s an underdog who despite shortcomings chooses the good instead of bitterness. I think anyone is capable of that.”

Yeah, he's TOTALLY in it for the money. :roll:

 

[TheDragonator]

Hell, if anything, you should accuse Hemsworth of doing it only for the money. He said himself he applied for Thor just because he really needed a job.