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[BigThor]

Loki should be present in Thor 2. He should be apart of the story but he shouldn't be the main Big BAD. As long as Thor 2 is a plot base movie with a strong fleshed out story. Then i see no problem with Loki being involved.

Loki should be apart of the story but the story shouldn't revolve around his involvement. When i think of it it's kind of like how Magneto played a role in X2.

IMO Loki should nearly always be present in a good Thor story. he might not be the main villain, and he might not even be directly involved in the plot at all, but the audience always be wondering if he is and what he's up too

Loki is a great shadow to hover over Thor, no matter what story is being told. He's not just a Thor villain, he's a supporting character. Way more interesting to me than Jane Foster.

But since the GA has seen him as a villain in 2 movies now, it might be smart to scale back on him a little bit. Allude to him in Thor 2, but I think it would be fine if he didn't have any real screen time. How many movies is Hiddleston's contract?

That's what I said Thor shouldn't fight Loki in THOR II, I didn't say Loki shouldn't be included in THOR II at all.

 

[The Morningstar]

It is. It really is. An Avengers film, or any group superhero film should not put its focus on just few or just a singular character. Every character/member of the main team should be a lead. Otherwise, what's the point of having them in the movie? If they aren't going to play as big/equal part as the other heroes, than don't bother having them in the film. A character shouldn't be in a film if they are just there for fanboys who know **** about comics to get there jollies off of.

The film should build up every hero's stock and not just the stock of the heroes who are the most popular.

Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Hulk are just as important as important as the "Big 3".

That's not how ensemble movies work. They always have at least 1 lead. I'm betting Rogers, Thor, Stark and Banner will be the leads.

Fury, BW and Hawkeye will be supporting characters. But, supporting characters still get development.

It's quite evident even from the trailer that this movie will be more character driven. The way it introduces the characters. Cap in the gym, taking his frustrations out on a punching bag. Banner hiding out in the middle of nowhere, refusing to come in. Thor talking to SHIELD, probably about his brother. Tony flying up to his penthouse, acting all snarky about no being good enough to be an Avenger.

It's what will separate this movie from the Transformers ones.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Then we mostly agree, BigThor. I wasn't responding specifically to you, just adding to the conversation in general.

 

[BigThor]

Then we mostly agree, BigThor. I wasn't responding specifically to you, just adding to the conversation in general.

Yeah I know that's why I responded to all of you, because it seemed like somewhere along the line my post was taken out of context.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

That's what I said Thor shouldn't fight Loki in THOR II, I didn't say Loki shouldn't be included in THOR II at all.

I'm not crazy about Loki being in THOR II.

I got no way around it, so I guess I'll take what I can get.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Does anybody know how many movies Hiddleston has in his contract? If I remember right, it was something like 8 or 9. Which I think is rather...ambitious of Marvel.

 

[sabetoonth]

Does anybody know how many movies Hiddleston has in his contract? If I remember right, it was something like 8 or 9. Which I think is rather...ambitious of Marvel.

Didnt SLJ sign something similar? Could that mean.....

Loki is the Fury of the villains?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Does anybody know how many movies Hiddleston has in his contract? If I remember right, it was something like 8 or 9. Which I think is rather...ambitious of Marvel.

For a [cinematic] villain, its overkill.

 

[lixdexia]

like having magneto in all the x-men movies. i feel that really slowed them down

 

[The Morningstar]

He doesn't need to be a villain in all his appearances though. Loki is back and forth between protag and antag quite often in the comics.

I'd imagine a lot of his appearances would just be as Thor's brother.

 

[jaqua99]

Are we serious right now?

I know its done, and its over with and I am gunna probably get flack for bringing it up.

But this isn't necessary.

Nobody really gives a rats ass what you want out of this movie.

Guys, seriously give it a rest for a day. How much more can we possibly analyze this movie???

Dude, come one. That's pretty much completely uncalled for. All anyone on this board does is talk about what they want out of this movie. Why would I, or you, or AB be any different? All the things he listed were actually completely valid requests and not at all off the wall.

This is a board completely full of Avengers fans and you're asking them to stop analyzing the movie they're raving about? Why? That's all there is to do! It's pretty much the sole reason anyone comes here in the first place.

AB, you are some kind of wizard, because no matter what you say it has the innate ability to bring the absolute worst out of some of these people. I'm literally astounded.

I mean really look at your response to his comment Rock. Did anything he say in that post really warrant that kind of reaction from you? Anything at all? Because all I saw were a couple of hopeful requests for a science-fiction movie, and all completely sensible at that. I just can't make sense of it.

I'm kind of astounded that you manage to get so defensive on his behalf literally every single time anyone says anything to him

And lol at "the absolute worst [in] people". Melodramatic much?

Buddy, I don't care who it is I'm sticking up for, I'm gonna call BS when I see it, and that was clearly BS. And I don't literally stick up for him every single time anyone says anything to him, he's a grown man and can fight his own battles.

Everyone here can justify why he's the brunt of so much persecution all they want, but the fact of the matter is, it's never going to change anything. I knew a guy like AB on the very first forum I ever joined. He had a way of getting under a lot of people's skin because he said things that were unpopular and not always the consensus of the whole, and he would usually say it in an "in your face" kind of way. I found myself butting heads with him a few times, but I came to find out that he wasn't really out for blood or intentionally trying to antagonize people by saying what he wanted to say. He just said it in a way people didn't like to hear.

And then I started to realize that this guy was the only guy who could actually spark any kind of meaningful debate or conversation on those boards because he was one of the very few who could actually talk about something other than, "well wouldn't it be cool if this happened?" I started giving him a lot more credit for his knowledge and we eventually got on the same page a lot more often. Point being: I decided to hear what the guy had to say rather than fight back over something that's virtually unimportant in the long run. These are just movies after all.

So, sorry if I seem to be rushing to the man's aid, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like there's nothing wrong with wanting to shut someone up who has something intelligent to say. It's kinda dumb.

You kind of do. And I was thinking the same thing, that's he's a grown man and can fight his own battles. The way you go about posting in this thread, seems you feel differently

I'm not a bit surprised and it doesn't take a detective to figure out why.

And it really is *every time*, isn't it?

Now that I read the rest of this post, I do have one other thing to say

The bolded is quite a pretentious thought. Everyone can spark meaningful conversations and debates. To imply that some don't have the capacity to because they don't belligerently sound off with their contrarian views while dismissing and belittling others is laughable.

Most people are just conscientious of others and present their opinions in a manner which sparks light, fun conversation instead of overbearing, heated debate.

I pared your post down to the essential problem. You nailed it: He gets negative reactions from other people, and it's all down to his behavior. A person doesn't get on the bad side of the majority of people by being reasonable and agreeable. The guy elicits the responses he does because of his attitude and the way he addresses other posters.


Contrast the generally peaceful atmosphere this board enjoys during his absences to the turmoil he caused when he returned. The rest of us got along fine, but as soon as he came back the bad blood began to flow again. That is no coincidence.

People feel too much the need to ride their high horses to get their point of disagreement across. One person isn't to blame when there are multiple people going out of their way to defend themselves and shoot down, or..whatever you wanna call this ^^
Everyone is responding to what AB is saying, and feeling the need to respond to what he is saying, and get points across, THAT is the problem, which is creating the disagreements, not him.

(AB I am not defending you, attacking your, nor justifying you posts)

Simple solution, someone attacks your post, or says something provoking, or that can bring down the atmosphere ignore it, if you know its something that will stir an argument, which at this point, its pretty simple to figure out what/who will cause one at this point, or something with a result like this, just ignore it and keep it friendly guys. seriously....im sorry if I am being offensive, or a smart ass, but I find this whole situation/confrontation absolutely ridiculous. Stop being so defensive and so smart and "right" and just keep it happy


I love you guys <3333333333333333333333333333333333333333
We are all big happy family of geeks

Keep it friendly guys

 

[BigThor]

like having magneto in all the x-men movies. i feel that really slowed them down

He doesn't need to be a villain in all his appearances though. Loki is back and forth between protag and antag quite often in the comics.

I'd imagine a lot of his appearances would just be as Thor's brother.

I agree with both if you

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

like having magneto in all the x-men movies. i feel that really slowed them down

Agreed.

He doesn't need to be a villain in all his appearances though. Loki is back and forth between protag and antag quite often in the comics.

See, that's the thing. On the page, you can make artistic decisions that you could never get away with on-screen.

First film: Introduction/reveals his true identity.

Second film: Goes after Midgard, fails.

Third film: Gets punished, maybe gets broken out by new villains.

Fourth film: Plays in a local band.

Fifth film: Works as a Wal-Mart greeter.

Sixth film: Steals Thor's trading cards.

.......

It gets to a point where he becomes completely tired as a character mainly because he began as such a strong threat.

Personally, I wanted him killed off in this movie. He made slaves outta the human race, he deserved death. Oh well.

 

[Raiden]

But he's Odin, he has the Infinity Gauntlet in his weapons vault and we all know the IG iis far more powerful than the Cosmic Cube.

Odin takes it upon himself to bring peace to the nine realms, one would think that making peace and protecting the 9 realms would be easier with a more powerful weapon.

Well, Loki already brought peace to the 9 Realms (before Loki made that pact with the Frost Giants) without the Cube, so it proves that he can do it without that artifact. Heck, he's not even using the Infinity Gauntlet, which is probably the single most powerful item in the universe.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

like having magneto in all the x-men movies. i feel that really slowed them down

There was a lot of other cool stuff they could've explored. I liked the elements of Charles and Magneto playing chess together. But having him be the primary villain in 2 movies was too much.

I get that the films want to use recognizable villains like Magneto and Loki. But once you do that and make people realize that there could be more to offer, you should branch out. And hell, Thor has entire mythologies to offer.

 

[BigThor]

Well, Loki already brought peace to the 9 Realms (before Loki made that pact with the Frost Giants) without the Cube, so it proves that he can do it without that artifact. Heck, he's not even using the Infinity Gauntlet, which is probably the single most powerful item in the universe.

You mean "Odin" already brought peace to the 9 realms without the Cube, I know he' wasable to do it without the artifact I was just saying it would be easier if he used the artifact.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

There was a lot of other cool stuff they could've explored. I liked the elements of Charles and Magneto playing chess together. But having him be the primary villain in 2 movies was too much.

I get that the films want to use recognizable villains like Magneto and Loki. But once you do that and make people realize that there could be more to offer, you should branch out. And hell, Thor has entire mythologies to offer.

Magneto's been in four X-Men movies and is likely to be in the sequel to First Class. That should be some sort of record.

 

[jaqua99]

I agree with both if you

as do I

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Wolverine's been in just as many. 5 movies, if you count his cameo in First Class.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Magneto's been in four X-Men movies and is likely to be in the sequel to First Class. That should be some sort of record.

Well, the difference with the new trilogy and Magneto's involvement, is that he is now the protagonist.

In the first trilogy, Wolverine was the main man.

 

[The Morningstar]

See, that's the thing. On the page, you can make artistic decisions that you could never get away with on-screen.

First film: Introduction/reveals his true identity.

Second film: Goes after Midgard, fails.

Third film: Gets punished, maybe gets broken out by new villains.

Fourth film: Plays in a local band.

Fifth film: Works as a Wal-Mart greeter.

Sixth film: Steals Thor's trading cards.

.......

It gets to a point where he becomes completely tired as a character mainly because he began as such a strong threat.

Personally, I wanted him killed off in this movie. He made slaves outta the human race, he deserved death. Oh well.

Or punishment by Odin? They could even be inspired by the myths where he was chained underneath the serpent where it dripped poison on his eyes continuously.

I don't think they'll kill him off.

 

[Xeno]

Is this a Leviathan? The design is similar, but I believe this thing here has two arms.

I'm not sure if it has legs too or if there is a serpent body covered by smoke and debris. Hard to tell.

(Should I mention the word "Makluan" again?)

When I re-watched that bit it looked like the leviathan/dragon had flaming red eyes and maybe flame coming from its mouth, too.


I found your theory about the leaders of the army being Makluans very interesting. Fin Fang Foom's race are very intelligent, crafty dragons; they'd not be interested in being foot soldiers, as it were. They always had plans of their own. Poorly-executed plans, but plans nonetheless.


I gotta admit that I want to see Fin Fang Foom purely because when I was a little kid I loved monster movies and monster comics. My uncles had old issues of comics like Strange Tales, Tales to Astonish and a slew of EC titles that they let me rot my little brain with. So I love old Fin and will be thrilled if he shows up on screen.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Wolverine's been in just as many. 5 movies, if you count his cameo in First Class.

I meant strictly for villains, but I see your point.

Well, the difference with the new trilogy and Magneto's involvement, is that he is now the protagonist.

In the first trilogy, Wolverine was the main man.

True, going by appearance alone though he's had the most compared to other villains I think.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Or punishment by Odin? They could even be inspired by the myths where he was chained underneath the serpent where it dripped poison on his eyes continuously.

That's what I'm expecting for THOR II, just not as Old Testament

I don't think they'll kill him off.

Yeah, me neither. I think his death in this film woulda made for some great emotional moments for both Loki and Thor, not to mention, made their final battle truly epic.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

While Loki is a master manipulator, I want to see him smacking some of the mortals such as Banner, Steve, and Tony around with his superior strength.

The way he treats Banner like such an insect and smacks him at 1:51 of this vid from Hulk Vs. Thor is perfect. He barely even has to move his hand.

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