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[quara33]

You're assuming the army would publicize the fact that some weakling, unknown was injected with a top secret serum they created. Remember Steve really didn't have anyone in his life other than Bucky and he's been missing or presumed dead .... both of his parents were dead, etc. etc.

No, Im just saying that anyone from Steve's neighborhood would see the coverage of Steve and note that he was no longer a 90 pound weakling. At the time they may have thought that he'd grown up well, but someone like Banner might make the leap. The Army wouldn't publicize the transformation at all, but some dude from Steve's neighborhood is bound to boast "hey, remember when I beat up Captain America?"

Just because Bucky and his parents are gone doesn't mean noone would remember him. What about the bullies that beat him up? Or the other kids at his school? HIs teachers? I mean, if you go to school with someone who becomes famous, you tend to remember him.

Thats awesome. It would be incredible to get to hear those stories first hand. Rasputin is a fascinating figure.

Mostly it was traumatizing

I distinctly remember asking my mom to check the closet to make sure Rasputin wasn't lurking in there.

I was not amused when she thought it was hilarious.

 

[WildcatNC]

No, Im just saying that anyone from Steve's neighborhood would see the coverage of Steve and note that he was no longer a 90 pound weakling. At the time they may have thought that he'd grown up well, but someone like Banner might make the leap. The Army wouldn't publicize the transformation at all, but some dude from Steve's neighborhood is bound to boast "hey, remember when I beat up Captain America?"

Just because Bucky and his parents are gone doesn't mean noone would remember him. What about the bullies that beat him up? Or the other kids at his school? HIs teachers? I mean, if you go to school with someone who becomes famous, you tend to remember him.



Mostly it was traumatizing

I distinctly remember asking my mom to check the closet to make sure Rasputin wasn't lurking in there.

I was not amused when she thought it was hilarious.

You were right to be afraid. Maybe he was powerful in the occult like they say......

 

[Rock Sexton]

No, Im just saying that anyone from Steve's neighborhood would see the coverage of Steve and note that he was no longer a 90 pound weakling. At the time they may have thought that he'd grown up well, but someone like Banner might make the leap. The Army wouldn't publicize the transformation at all, but some dude from Steve's neighborhood is bound to boast "hey, remember when I beat up Captain America?"

Just because Bucky and his parents are gone doesn't mean noone would remember him. What about the bullies that beat him up? Or the other kids at his school? HIs teachers? I mean, if you go to school with someone who becomes famous, you tend to remember him.

Banner might make what leap? He might suddenly go and talk to some people who were Rogers' neighbors back in the 1940's?

The way CA:TFA depicted Steve was that he was a relatively lonely and obscure man prior to his transformation .... a "forgettable" person who was commonly dismissed.

Regardless I'm not quite understanding how you can stretch those kinds of people remembering him as a reason the entire country would know it's "Steve Rogers former little squirt" as opposed to just the broad-based "Captain America".

 

[liveman789]

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http://youtu.be/BbizTBYs-rQ

 

[cherokeesam]

Nah, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

There was actual movies made of him, bonds tours, etc. It would be like someone saying Elvis or Marilyn Monroe were not real.

Exactly.
Cap is an icon in the MCU. The movies and propaganda were widespread to the general public. Sure, you'll have your tinfoil hat conspiracy loons who might say it was all faked --- they're the same ones who say the Moon Landing was a hoax, too. But to the vast majority of humanity, Cap will be instantly recognizable; and once they see him in action against the alien invaders, they'll know he's the real deal, and that he's living history come back from "the dead" after 70+ years.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I also don't see any reason the government wouldn't have reavealed it was Steve Rodgers. As far as they knew he was MIA, most likely dead and never coming back. His family (if he has any) wouldn't be in any form of threat considering they had nothing to do with the SS serum. So I don't see a reason to not tell the public that Steve Rodgers was Captain America.

 

[Smashlilman]

Famous Nazi like Hitler is common sense yes .... obviously I would remember him. In reference to that question though, are you a history buff?

I see your point. I think the separation that needs to be made is that Cap perhaps might be remembered, but I'm not buying people know he was experimented on.

When the Super Solider project was finished and Abraham Erskine was shot and killed. Steve Rogers chased the killer down and save that kid. After that the Super Solider project story went public in the papers.

 

[quara33]

Banner might make what leap? He might suddenly go and talk to some people who were Roger's neighbors back in the 1940's?

The way CA:TFA depicted Steve was that he was a relatively lonely and obscure man prior to his transformation .... a "forgettable" person.

Regardless I'm not quite understanding how you can stretch those kinds of people remembering him as a reason the entire country would know it's "Steve Rogers former little squirt" as opposed to "Captain America".

Actually, my problem is why wouldn't the entire country know Rogers had been a little squirt? He was a major popular figure, so I'd expect there to have been interviews with his neighbors, etc. Certainly if it were in the modern era, there would have been a whole Dateline special (look at the coverage of Jessica Lynch, for example). Different era, I guess

As for Banner, I think Banner would have looked into any and all possible evidence of past military biological experiments for clues as to what happened to him. I don't know how the MCU's Captain America Comics approach it, but if they mention "super soldier" it'd come up on a fairly easy google search ('military experiment strength serum' for example). THen if he figured out it was based on a real guy--I think Banner would be intrigued enough to look up a few old neighbors. Then, if a story of puny!Steve came out, he might make the leap that it was the result of an experiment.

...anyway, it's just a theory. Frankly, I think Banner would've just hacked the Pentagon and found out that way. Or gone to wikileaks t:

 

[liveman789]

This is what I speculate:

I bet Fury goes to Stark Tower to see Stark, and then Iron Man shows up and assumes he's trying to recruit him for the Avengers (snippet from trailer). But it turns out he's just there to let him know they found Steve Rogers who has a close connection to his father, Howard Stark. Tony brushes it off and declines meeting him.

Eventually Steve flies with Shield and goes to Germany to stop Loki, and just when Loki seems to have the upper hand, Iron Man comes in and saves the day (assuming he saw the events in Germany on the news). Loki is taken captive, and Steve and Tony formally meet on the jet ride back to NYC.

Then Thor flies onto the top of the Quinjet because he knows Loki is held captive inside. They land the Quinjet ASAP and then the forrest fight of Thor versus Captain America and Iron man occurs.

 

[Rock Sexton]

When the Super Solider project was finished and Abraham Erskine was shot and killed. Steve Rogers chased the killer down and save that kid. After that the Super Solider project story went public in the papers.

You read the papers? It stated that Ernskine was working on a top secret military bio-force enhancement for soldiers?

Apparently you've never witness how the government and military handle top secret matters.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Actually, my problem is why wouldn't the entire country know Rogers had been a little squirt? He was a major popular figure, so I'd expect there to have been interviews with his neighbors, etc. Certainly if it were in the modern era, there would have been a whole Dateline special (look at the coverage of Jessica Lynch, for example). Different era, I guess

Quite the opposite. With interviews you'd get people digging around. They'd start to ask questions how a scrawny man turned into a buffed super soldier overnight. It would raise a ton of questions.

Look he was an established piece of propaganda. When he went rogue it was on his own terms. Remember in the film after he took down the Red Skull it doesn't say "Captain America saves the world" ..... it just was a shot of a paper saying the Nazi's were defeated. The kids carrying the shield are not a surprise, again Captain America was a symbol of the country like Uncle Sam. We won the war so kids are going to want to be like Captain America.

As for Banner, I think Banner would have looked into any and all possible evidence of past military biological experiments for clues as to what happened to him. I don't know how the MCU's Captain America Comics approach it, but if they mention "super soldier" it'd come up on a fairly easy google search ('military experiment strength serum' for example). THen if he figured out it was based on a real guy--I think Banner would be intrigued enough to look up a few old neighbors. Then, if a story of puny!Steve came out, he might make the leap that it was the result of an experiment.

...anyway, it's just a theory. Frankly, I think Banner would've just hacked the Pentagon and found out that way. Or gone to wikileaks t:

See this right here .... this is the kind of fanboy thing I'm referring. Banner was hired to test gamma radiation. Why would he even think to investigate Steve Rogers? How would he know Steve Rogers was Captain America? You don't think they assign levels of access to various people trying to look something up in a military database?

 

[BigThor]

Exactly.
Cap is an icon in the MCU. The movies and propaganda were widespread to the general public. Sure, you'll have your tinfoil hat conspiracy loons who might say it was all faked --- they're the same ones who say the Moon Landing was a hoax, too. But to the vast majority of humanity, Cap will be instantly recognizable; and once they see him in action against the alien invaders, they'll know he's the real deal, and that he's living history come back from "the dead" after 70+ years.

I agree with both of you, because with all the propaganda, comic books, and news clips I wouldn't be suprised if kids in the MCU learned about him in their history classes.

tumblr is so hilarious

I watched THOR again for the 24th time the day before the 2nd trailer was released, I still "lol" at the poptart line in the diner.

 

[liveman789]

I watched THOR again for the 24th time the day before the 2nd trailer was released, I still "lol" at the poptart line in the diner.

Yeah out of the 5 prequels to The Avengers, Thor has to be the one I liked the most overall. Partly due to it's humor. Other than RDJ as Tony Stark, none of the other 4 had too much humor. Stark's ego and Thor's ignorance make for great comedy.

My favorite "funny" scene in Thor is definitely the pet shop one, "Then give me one of those large enough to ride." All I picture is Thor riding a giant kitten HAHA.

 

[quara33]

You were right to be afraid. Maybe he was powerful in the occult like they say......

Heh, my friend and I still end our phone calls with "goodnight, sleep tight, don't let Rasputin bite"

Her great Grandfather was a bit skeptical of the 'occult magic' thing--he believed that if you bought into it, it gave it power over you, so you had to choose what you believed in very, very carefully.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah out of the 5 prequels to The Avengers, Thor has to be the one I liked the most overall. Partly due to it's humor. Other than RDJ as Tony Stark, none of the other 4 had too much humor. Stark's ego and Thor's ignorance make for great comedy.

My favorite "funny" scene in Thor is definitely the pet shop one, "Then give me one of those large enough to ride." All I picture is Thor riding a giant kitten HAHA.

Yeah I appreciated the comedy in Thor, but you know how much fan boys are "Omg teh film was filled with oh look how modern I am jokes" when in actuality there was a relatively decent amount.

 

[craigdbfan]

Meow, meow? What's a meow meow?

That line made me laugh.

Some really funny moments in Thor.

 

[liveman789]

Yeah I appreciated the comedy in Thor, but you know how much fan boys are "Omg teh film was filled with oh look how modern I am jokes" when in actuality there was a relatively decent amount.

Yeah well those jokes I admit were silly but it didn't ruin anything for me, the best comedy came from Thor himself.

Another criticism that I thought was a bit over the top was that people thought Shield letting him go made Shield look like a stupid organization. The point of that was to have Shield men follow him and see what he's up to. Though I suppose them not recognizing a fake ID was a bit silly.

The only big criticism I had with Thor was that the Destroyer was destroyed was too easily.

 

[BigThor]

Meow, meow? What's a meow meow?

That line made me laugh.

Some really funny moments in Thor.

Yeah Kat Dennings was actually funny and not annoying in the least, that's probably dude to the fact that she was given just the right amount of screentime.

 

[warhorse78]

Yeah Kat Dennings was actually funny and not annoying in the least, that's probably dude to the fact that she was given just the right amount of screentime.

That was the chick that tazed him, right?

 

[craigdbfan]

Yeah Kat Dennings was actually funny and not annoying in the least, that's probably dude to the fact that she was given just the right amount of screentime.

I found her to be very likeable in the movie. Her lines were delivered quite naturally and that's why they worked so well.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Kat Dennings has always been a joy. I became a fan after I saw her in Nick & Norah

 

[Lady Marion]

Yeah out of the 5 prequels to The Avengers, Thor has to be the one I liked the most overall. Partly due to it's humor. Other than RDJ as Tony Stark, none of the other 4 had too much humor. Stark's ego and Thor's ignorance make for great comedy.

My favorite "funny" scene in Thor is definitely the pet shop one, "Then give me one of those large enough to ride." All I picture is Thor riding a giant kitten HAHA.

I borrowed this from the Thor board:

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I love the whole "I need a horse" scene. How Hemsworth act with a deadly serious look at his face. I always wonder if they had to repeat this scene without laughing

 

[liveman789]

^HAHAHAHA wow I guess I wasn't the only one who pictured that. Makes sense lol.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Anybody know what to search tags on tumblr to get the funny stuff :')?

 

[BigThor]

That was the chick that tazed him, right?

Yep that was her, the dark haired brunette who was Jane Foster's intern.

I found her to be very likeable in the movie. Her lines were delivered quite naturally and that's why they worked so well.

I felt the same way, too bad there's comic book fans out there that get uptight whenever there's comedy in superhero film.