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[Smashlilman]

I'm not a bit surprised and it doesn't take a detective to figure out why.

And it really is *every time*, isn't it?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

What would you all do, like, if on the 2nd of May, there is this terrible storm that hits the USA and knocks all of our grids out, and it'll take months to get the power back on, making the wait for The Avengers that much longer.

Move to Canada.

 

[Chewy]

Buddy, I don't care who it is I'm sticking up for, I'm gonna call BS when I see it, and that was clearly BS. And I don't literally stick up for him every single time anyone says anything to him, he's a grown man and can fight his own battles.

Everyone here can justify why he's the brunt of so much persecution all they want, but the fact of the matter is, it's never going to change anything. I knew a guy like AB on the very first forum I ever joined. He had a way of getting under a lot of people's skin because he said things that were unpopular and not always the consensus of the whole, and he would usually say it in an "in your face" kind of way. I found myself butting heads with him a few times, but I came to find out that he wasn't really out for blood or intentionally trying to antagonize people by saying what he wanted to say. He just said it in a way people didn't like to hear.

And then I started to realize that this guy was the only guy who could actually spark any kind of meaningful debate or conversation on those boards because he was one of the very few who could actually talk about something other than, "well wouldn't it be cool if this happened?" I started giving him a lot more credit for his knowledge and we eventually got on the same page a lot more often. Point being: I decided to hear what the guy had to say rather than fight back over something that's virtually unimportant in the long run. These are just movies after all.

So, sorry if I seem to be rushing to the man's aid, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like there's nothing wrong with wanting to shut someone up who has something intelligent to say. It's kinda dumb.

Now that I read the rest of this post, I do have one other thing to say

The bolded is quite a pretentious thought. Everyone can spark meaningful conversations and debates. To imply that some don't have the capacity to because they don't belligerently sound off with their contrarian views while dismissing and belittling others is laughable.

Most people are just conscientious of others and present their opinions in a manner which sparks light, fun conversation instead of overbearing, heated debate.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

6. Nick Fury: Having to learn that he can't control everything as he had hoped (ala the Cosmic Cube)

I really want to see more of Fury's manipulative side revealed in this movie. By the second movie he and The Avengers should be butting heads.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I want to see them butt heads in this movie. The Avengers should not be a part of SHIELD; they should be an independent force. Hopefully they will be by the end of this movie.

 

[Smashlilman]

I just don't see it, if the cosmic cube staff is more powerful than Odin's staff then why doesn't Odin use the cosmic cube to power his staff?

Thor shouldn't fight Loki in THOR II, fighting Loki in two previous films is enough and Thor's rogues gallery is way too impressive for him to keep fighting Loki.

Loki should be present in Thor 2. He should be apart of the story but he shouldn't be the main Big BAD. As long as Thor 2 is a plot base movie with a strong fleshed out story. Then i see no problem with Loki being involved.

Loki should be apart of the story but the story shouldn't revolve around his involvement. When i think of it it's kind of like how Magneto played a role in X2.

 

[Xeno]

AB, you are some kind of wizard, because no matter what you say it has the innate ability to bring the absolute worst out of some of these people.

I pared your post down to the essential problem. You nailed it: He gets negative reactions from other people, and it's all down to his behavior. A person doesn't get on the bad side of the majority of people by being reasonable and agreeable. The guy elicits the responses he does because of his attitude and the way he addresses other posters.


Contrast the generally peaceful atmosphere this board enjoys during his absences to the turmoil he caused when he returned. The rest of us got along fine, but as soon as he came back the bad blood began to flow again. That is no coincidence.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I want to see them butt heads in this movie. The Avengers should not be a part of SHIELD; they should be an independent force. Hopefully they will be by the end of this movie.

 

[Guerrilla]

I really want to see more of Fury's manipulative side revealed in this movie. By the second movie he and The Avengers should be butting heads.

I agree. Setting up shield and fury to be at odds with the avengers is a smart plan...it would end up making for an interesting perspective for a shield movie in the future.

 

[itchyscratch]

What would you all do, like, if on the 2nd of May, there is this terrible storm that hits the USA and knocks all of our grids out, and it'll take months to get the power back on, making the wait for The Avengers that much longer.

Read all the reviews written by Australians who saw The Avengers on April 25th.

 

[Smashlilman]

I want to see them butt heads in this movie. The Avengers should not be a part of SHIELD; they should be an independent force. Hopefully they will be by the end of this movie.

The only people that Shield owes are Cap, Hawkeye, and *BW. If Cap heads off then the Avengers would just reform around him. Hulk and Thor owe no allegiance to the US Gov. BW is a double agent.

 

[Chewy]

Read all the reviews written by Australians who saw The Avengers on April 25th.

But you wouldn't have any power

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Loki should be present in Thor 2. He should be apart of the story but he shouldn't be the main Big BAD. As long as Thor 2 is a plot base movie with a strong fleshed out story. Then i see no problem with Loki being involved.

Loki should be apart of the story but the story shouldn't revolve around his involvement. When i think of it it's kind of like how Magneto played a role in X2.

IMO Loki should nearly always be present in a good Thor story. he might not be the main villain, and he might not even be directly involved in the plot at all, but the audience always be wondering if he is and what he's up too

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I agree. Setting up shield and fury to be at odds with the avengers is a smart plan...it would end up making for an interesting perspective for a shield movie in the future.

Definitely. I want to see The Avengers fighting the Mandroids at some point in the sequel as well.

Spoiler

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Loki is a great shadow to hover over Thor, no matter what story is being told. He's not just a Thor villain, he's a supporting character. Way more interesting to me than Jane Foster.

But since the GA has seen him as a villain in 2 movies now, it might be smart to scale back on him a little bit. Allude to him in Thor 2, but I think it would be fine if he didn't have any real screen time. How many movies is Hiddleston's contract?

 

[itchyscratch]

But you wouldn't have any power

Jealousy would have made you print out the Aussie reviews, so in the Great Power Blackout of 2012 you could still sit there reading them.

By torchlight of course.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Loki is a great shadow to hover over Thor, no matter what story is being told. He's not just a Thor villain, he's a supporting character. Way more interesting to me than Jane Foster.

But since the GA has seen him as a villain in 2 movies now, it might be smart to scale back on him a little bit. Allude to him in Thor 2, but I think it would be fine if he didn't have any real screen time. How many movies is Hiddleston's contract?

I think Loki should definitely be shown in Thor 2, but I'd be fine if he was just alluded to. He should be the one to recruit the Enchantress and Skurge imo(If they're even in the movie).

 

[Incredible Hans]

Is this a Leviathan? The design is similar, but I believe this thing here has two arms.

I'm not sure if it has legs too or if there is a serpent body covered by smoke and debris. Hard to tell.

(Should I mention the word "Makluan" again?)

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

So a movie called "The AVENGERS" should not put equal emphasis on the characters that the title is about?

Think about Ghostbusters. Is it about the team as a whole? Yeah. But only one of them gets the romantic subplot, a true character arc, and the lion's share of screentime.

 

[Smashlilman]

Is this a Leviathan? The design is similar, but I believe this thing here has two arms.

I'm not sure if it has legs too or if there is a serpent body covered by smoke and debris. Hard to tell.

(Should I mention the word "Makluan" again?)

looks like the tail poking out of a building that the Leviathan just rammed through.

 

[Smashlilman]

Think about Ghostbusters. Is it about the team as a whole? Yeah. But only one of them gets the romantic subplot, a true character arc, and the lion's share of screentime.

lol yea Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray got the lion share of the screen time. Bill Murray got the romantic subplot.

But in Avengers i think BW is gonna be on Hawkeye and Banner what I've hearor what I think Ik've heard.

 

[BigThor]

For one thing, Odin hasn't had the Cube in his possession for over a thousand years. It first sat in that tomb in Tønsberg, Norway from 965 AD until the Red Skull found it. After that, SHIELD took possession of it. Ever since I first saw CA:TFA, I've wondered why Odin didn't recover the Cube because it is one of the most powerful artifacts in the Marvel Universe. Hopefully the movie will explain Odin's disinterest.


One possible reason could be that the Cube is so immensely powerful that Odin preferred to leave it in an obscure Midgardian town, where few knew of its existence. So long as humanity had only primitive technology, the Cube would have been relatively safe from exploitation. Once technology advanced, however, the danger would become greater. A thousand years isn't long for an Asgardian, so perhaps Odin took his eye off Midgard and wasn't aware of the potential harm that could come from leaving the Cube here.

Like I said, if a weapon using the Cosmic Cube was more powerful than Odin's staff then that's the weapon Odin should be using and it being on Midgard is not a problem since Odin has access to the Bifrost.

It just doesn't make any sense, why would the ruler of a warrior race leave something that could make a weapon more powerful than his on Midgard instead of using it as his weapon.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Because Odin isn't just a mindless warrior. He would be of the belief that some objects are too powerful to be used by anyone.

 

[BigThor]

Because Odin isn't just a mindless warrior. He would be of the belief that some objects are too powerful to be used by anyone.

But he's Odin, he has the Infinity Gauntlet in his weapons vault and we all know the IG iis far more powerful than the Cosmic Cube.

Odin takes it upon himself to bring peace to the nine realms, one would think that making peace and protecting the 9 realms would be easier with a more powerful weapon.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Nobody really gives a rats ass what you want out of this movie.