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[Herolee10]

Ditto. I thought the film being from his POV would have been perfect. Oh well, as long as Cap doesn't get the short end of the stick in the final product, I'll be happy.

Agreed; and if he's still made out to be the official leader of the group, I'm set.

Plus, Whedon didn't say that in that interview that ALL of the scenes regarding Steve's POV take of the film's events were taken out, so I'm assuming that there's still some left that makes it enough where people can still identify through his perspective on the events folding imho.

 

[Scarlettess]

A new little snippet from another Joss interview, I'm trying to leave the link but it keeps censoring it...

Having such a wide variety of characters, initially Whedon sought focus by telling th story largely from one person's perspective; defrosted WW2 super-soldier Captain America. "That was the plan anyway". However, "In the final cut that's probably not true," Whedon reveals. "There was stuff with Cap I cut out. Although he has an 'in' with the audience in that this world is stranger to him, so he's an identification figure."

The climax Whedon pitched Marvel was so enormous that it was apparent there wouldn't be enough time or money to pull it off, "But that's exactly what we shot," he reveals. The scale is "quite large", but it's not about that. "Its the toll it takes," Whedon says. "I find superhero movies to be a little to [dull?]. And when you have Earth's mightiest heroes - like Thor, you know Thor! - you have to put them in a situation that makes you feel like they're not all going to make it." "The climax of this movie isn't one where you go, 'Oh yes, there's the Avengers, good for them, bye!'" When it all hits, it hits hard."

Whedon then went on to discuss The Avengers potential sequel, essentially revealing that he went all-out to avoid Iron Man 2 syndrome, where the story's reduced to a series of sequel-pointers. "We DO give a nod to a greater problem than the one solved in this film." says Whedon. "I'm a great believer in the idea that if you make the first one to be a 'first one,' then you have already failed," asserts Whedon. "As much as we want to service the idea of a film in a franchise, I want this to be a satisfying film experience. I don't want people to go out saying, "When's the next part?" I want people to say, "Oh, I want to see that again!"

Good interview! I got all giddy reading that middle paragraph about the climax, I'm glad they let him do his thing with that. t: About the story being from Cap's perspective, I think it will still focus more on him, but just not as dominant, ie. it'll be less Capt. America and his friends, but actually more like The Avengers, with some recognition of what goes on in his mind as the leader and being a man out of time but not so much as to take away the 'spotlight' from the others, so to speak, if that makes sense.

 

[Scarlettess]

Besides hopefully we'll get to see some of that cut stuff as deleted scenes. t:

 

[Herolee10]

I'm hoping that Whedon knows the danger of attaching the world "enormous and quite large" to his description of the climax since my expectations have been raised larger now.lol

Dare I say, I'm starting to wonder if there's any truth to the speculation/theories that was presented awhile back of the Avengers being transported to somewhere within the Nine Realms during the climax with Loki's army.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I'm a little worried that in editing the POV has changed from CAPTAIN AMERICA. I worry that studio interference may have happened and forced him to change it to IRON MAN.

Aside from being disappointing because CAP's journey in this was something i was really looking forward to seeing developed well, I wonder if the movie as a whole can work as well if the POV has changed dramatically in the editing phase?

 

[Quasimod0]

I really just wanna see the avengers tear through tons of aliens like John did in John carter! Thats the dream. lol. I also dearly hope tyhey kept in the scene with steve walking down the road and being confused by modern things

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

That interview only adds to my fears of this film ending up an indirect IRON MAN 2.5.

If anyone in this film deserved to stand out over the others, it would be Cap.

But I guess Cap doesn't bring home the bacon.

 

[dony2012]

A Cap POV in this movie sounded a little tedious to me to be quite honest.

It should be THE AVENGERS, after all. NOT CAPTAIN AMERICA AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS...

This means more balance for other characters.

Save the man out of his time stuff more for his movie.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm a little worried that in editing the POV has changed from CAPTAIN AMERICA. I worry that studio interference may have happened and forced him to change it to IRON MAN.

Welcome to my world.

Aside from being disappointing because CAP's journey in this was something i was really looking forward to seeing developed well, I wonder if the movie as a whole can work as well if the POV has changed dramatically in the editing phase?

Ditto, although I think the plan was always to have Tony stand out.

I just don't think we'll ever hear the actual plan from anyone involved on the production. At least not now.

 

[Herolee10]

That interview only adds to my fears of this film ending up an indirect IRON MAN 2.5.

If anyone in this film deserved to stand out over the others, it would be Cap.

But I guess Cap doesn't bring home the bacon.

In what part of that interview does it suggest that Iron man will take the central focus of the film?

Whedon and RDJ said it themselves that the film wouldn't_couldn't work like that.

It's possible that the reason why some of Steve's scenes were cut is because Whedon was trying to conserve time on his theatrical cut.

Plus, Whedon still said that Steve would be presented as the one that audiences would identify with on the film and that says a lot imho.

Plus, we've had others who are involved with the film saying that this was an ensemble film.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

In what part of that interview does it suggest that Iron man will take the central focus of the film?

Whedon and RDJ said it themselves that the film wouldn't_couldn't work like that.

It's possible that the reason why some of Steve's scenes were cut is because Whedon was trying to conserve time on his theatrical cut.

Plus, Whedon still said that Steve would be presented as the one that audiences would identify with on the film and that says a lot imho.

Plus, we've had others who are involved with the film saying that this was an ensemble film.

ROBERT DOWNEY JR. "THE AVENGERS" doesn't exactly scream ensemble to me.

Now with Whedon retracting his Cap POV statements from a while back, I'm even more inclined to label this an Iron Man vehicle where Cap, Thor & Hulk are supporting characters.

 

[Herolee10]

ROBERT DOWNEY JR. "THE AVENGERS" doesn't exactly scream ensemble to me.

Now with Whedon retracting his Cap POV statements from a while back, I'm even more inclined to label this an Iron Man vehicle where Cap, Thor & Hulk are supporting characters.

It was stated by RIM a while back, actually a couple of months ago to be exact, that the marketing would push RDJ in the front due to his star power BUT that the film ITSELF would definitely be an ENSEMBLE film.

Plus, as someone mentioned earlier as well, it's the marketing's team decision to focus on whoever they want to in the matter that they want to, and the billing of credits is supposedly normally worked out in the contracts by the actor's agents.

 

[Scarlettess]

ROBERT DOWNEY JR. "THE AVENGERS" doesn't exactly scream ensemble to me.

Now with Whedon retracting his Cap POV statements from a while back, I'm even more inclined to label this an Iron Man vehicle where Cap, Thor & Hulk are supporting characters.

Actually, I think what your thinking of Iron Man was Joss's thinking of Cap, he was probably too centric to a point where it took away from the other characters, and Joss did say in a previous interview that he wanted to make sure that every hero got to shine. Maybe an few extra Cap scenes took away from that.

 

[J.Howlett]

Whedon then went on to discuss The Avengers potential sequel, essentially revealing that he went all-out to avoid Iron Man 2 syndrome, where the story's reduced to a series of sequel-pointers. "We DO give a nod to a greater problem than the one solved in this film." says Whedon. "I'm a great believer in the idea that if you make the first one to be a 'first one,' then you have already failed," asserts Whedon. "As much as we want to service the idea of a film in a franchise, I want this to be a satisfying film experience. I don't want people to go out saying, "When's the next part?" I want people to say, "Oh, I want to see that again!"

This is freaking huge for this particular viewer and squarely puts me on the "now I'm excited for this film" because ever since Nolan revealed that Rises was going to be the "ending", I've wanted Avengers to be the "ending" of phase I of this Cinematic Universe they're building.

My fear was that they would point to more sequels and not have a real ending to this film, to this phase.

I've been of the opinion that Avengers should be the ending. Iron Man 3 should be the clean jump off point for phase II.

I want Avengers to end and have a feeling that these six films together make for a very solid story...and if I want to continue, I could but it's not necessary if I do...

 

[DyeLorean]

I also remember that RDJ suggested Whedon to have the film with Iron Man's POV, they tested it but ultimately it didn't work.

 

[Poni_Boy]

A Cap POV in this movie sounded a little tedious to me to be quite honest.

It should be THE AVENGERS, after all. NOT CAPTAIN AMERICA AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS...

This means more balance for other characters.

Save the man out of his time stuff more for his movie.

It wouldn't make sense for the film to be from Cap's POV only. That would mean he'd have to be in every scene, and everyone knows that's not the case from the footage already released. Even half the film focusing on Cap is too much. It's about the team. We're already getting a Cap sequel.

ROBERT DOWNEY JR. "THE AVENGERS" doesn't exactly scream ensemble to me.

Now with Whedon retracting his Cap POV statements from a while back, I'm even more inclined to label this an Iron Man vehicle where Cap, Thor & Hulk are supporting characters.

He's the moneymaker. That's what you sell to get asses in seats. Marketing 101

 

[Endeavor]

Everyone I knew that watched Green Lantern and was into that type of movie enjoyed it, me included.

By "that type of movie", do you mean bad movies?
GL was laughable.
It was so bad if they still made MST3K it would be featured there.

Too bad, GL is one of my fav DC characters.

 

[J.Howlett]

If anything, the point of view at some point should shift to Thor, considering the villain of the piece. I never understood why that wasn't talked about more.

I understand using Captain America as the jump off point in the first act but, at some point, this has got to be Thor and Loki's story...right?

 

[Scarlettess]

Plus Joss has already said that Cap IS the leader. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Plus, as someone mentioned earlier as well, it's the marketing's team decision to focus on whoever they want to in the matter that they want to, and the billing of credits is supposedly normally worked out in the contracts by the actor's agents.

Yep, just like how RDJ makes a larger salary than the rest of them. This is his third film in a franchise that he (largely) helped to launch. Don't see how that's hard for some people to grasp. I doubt any general audience members are pissy about his name placement on a poster.

 

[Son of Coul]

Little disappointed some of Cap's POV stuff was removed but if the movie's better for it so be it. The part that caught my attention is definitely this:

The climax Whedon pitched Marvel was so enormous that it was apparent there wouldn't be enough time or money to pull it off, "But that's exactly what we shot," he reveals. The scale is "quite large", but it's not about that. "Its the toll it takes," Whedon says. "I find superhero movies to be a little too clean. And when you have Earth's mightiest heroes - like Thor, you know Thor! - you have to put them in a situation that makes you feel like they're not all going to make it." "The climax of this movie isn't one where you go, 'Oh yes, there's the Avengers, good for them, bye!'" When it all hits, it hits hard."

Awesome.

 

[Nova2113]

Though it sounded like a good idea.... I found it difficult to picture this film in any one persons POV... you have characters coming from very different places... for it to be told from one point of view made it sound a lil weird to me. Just my opinion.


But it definitely couldn't work from Iron Man's POV though... I know that for damn sure... So I don't know what AB is talking about

 

[J.Howlett]

Yep, just like how RDJ makes a larger salary than the rest of them. This is his third film in a franchise that he (largely) helped to launch. Don't see how that's hard for some people to grasp. I doubt any general audience members are pissy about his name placement on a poster.

Pretty much.

 

[TheVileOne]

LOL. All these twists and turns from Whedon going on. The dominoes are falling!

 

[dony2012]

Plus Joss has already said that Cap IS the leader. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

He didn't say that.

And KF said there is no leader in this film.