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[wobbly]

Since you mention it; how old is norse mythology supposed to be? I just thought it was really, really old, like greek and roman myths, but Selvig grabs a book that describes Odin, Thor, Loki, the Bifrost, etc; that meaning that all the norse myths are part of mankind's ancient culture, but if Thor and Loki where only kinds 1000 years ago, how would that fit??

I'm sorry if that didn't make sense...it doesn't in my head either...


Polux

Norse mythology dates back to around the time stated at the beginning of Thor. In fact it was not really recorded until around the 11th century (in the Eddas I think), but it's safe to assume it began before that (the basic ideas of Asgard, Odin etc, were likely around in some form and passed on orally before the mythology was recorded).

In the books they have Asgard being a lot older of course, with the current crop of Gods (they get reborn after each Ragnarok) dating back to the birth of Christ (the Star of Bethlehem was in fact the old Asgard burning).

Anyways, for the comics Thor is pushing 2000 years old, and for the movies he is about 1000 years old.

As far as real world history is concerned the latter fits with what is known.

 

[wobbly]

well given as they're suppose to be 1000 years old I'd say before. Also I just thought of something....

if Thor coming to earth was in 2010, and we say he was exactly 1000 years when he came to earth, that means he was born in 1010, but Odin defeated the frostgiants on earth in 0965, where he stole Loki.
but Thor is suppose to be older than Loki....


[BLACKOUT]so Thor must be more than 1000 years old.[/BLACKOUT]

Thor is older than Loki. In the movie continuity we can assume Thor was a little child when Odin came to Earth for that battle, so he is about 1050 years old give a take or year or 2.

 

[Polux]

Norse mythology dates back to around the time stated at the beginning of Thor. In fact it was not really recorded until around the 11th century (in the Eddas I think), but it's safe to assume it began before that (the basic ideas of Asgard, Odin etc, were likely around in some form and passed on orally before the mythology was recorded).

In the books they have Asgard being a lot older of course, with the current crop of Gods (they get reborn after each Ragnarok) dating back to the birth of Christ (the Star of Bethlehem was in fact the old Asgard burning).

Anyways, for the comics Thor is pushing 2000 years old, and for the movies he is about 1000 years old.

As far as real world history is concerned the latter fits with what is known.

Thanx for the clarification, I think it sounds about right; I assume that Thor and Loki reached "grown up" age fast enough for them to visit earth before 1100 A.D. ("This isn't like a visit to Earth, where you summon some lightning and they worship you as a god..."), so people could actually tell stories about'em.


Polux

 

[jacobed]

The book only described the bifrost and mjolnir, nothing about Thor or Loki

 

[Scarlettess]

Thor is older than Loki. In the movie continuity we can assume Thor was a little child when Odin came to Earth for that battle, so he is about 1050 years old give a take or year or 2.

Ah that's what I figured.

Well if Loki and Thor age slowly, and 1000 years old, (but look human age no more than 30) then that would mean they turn 1 year older(in human terms) every 30 or so years. However if they e the same speed as a human, and then just stop aging, or slowing down aging to a great extent, then they would be have reached 'grown up' by 1040. In which Polux theory would be correct.

 

[Scarlettess]

The book only described the bifrost and mjolnir, nothing about Thor or Loki

Actually it did have Thor in it, though I don't think it had Loki, (the Thor Thursday thing)

 

[Polux]

Also, I'm not sure if the book Selvig checks describes Thor and Loki, but I'm pretty sure it at least feattures pictures of both of'em in grown up form; also, the page describin the Bifrost includes drawings of both Odin and Thor walking on it, I'm pretty sure about that.


Polux

 

[Smashlilman]

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;22701291]Norse mythology dates back to around the time stated at the beginning of Thor. In fact it was not really recorded until around the 11th century (in the Eddas I think), but it's safe to assume it began before that (the basic ideas of Asgard, Odin etc, were likely around in some form and passed on orally before the mythology was recorded).

In the books they have Asgard being a lot older of course, with the current crop of Gods (they get reborn after each Ragnarok) dating back to the birth of Christ (the Star of Bethlehem was in fact the old Asgard burning).

Anyways, for the comics Thor is pushing 2000 years old, and for the movies he is about 1000 years old.

As far as real world history is concerned the latter fits with what is known.

Asgard and Odin were around longer than that. They had to be around way before human started recording there history. Humans have been on earth for several million years. I remember the old Thor cartoon it said that Thor was born in a cave a Millennium ago. Asgard has to be Millions of years old or maybe even billions since if they want to make the Nordic Mythology origin coincide with the real world age of the world. (3 billion)

 

[Herolee10]

Asgard and Odin were around longer than that. They had to be around way before human started recording there history. Humans have been on earth for several million years. I remember the old Thor cartoon it said that Thor was born in a cave a Millennium ago. Asgard has to be Millions of years old or maybe even billions since if they want to make the Nordic Mythology origin coincide with the real world age of the world. (3 billion)

If that's the case, how old is Odin since he mentioned of having a father as well in "Thor" and unless his father died prematurely, I assume that he lived for a long period as well.


Also, I would think that Thor would have been very young if Odin came to Earth for the first time when Thor was already born because Frigga isn't Loki's mother thus, if he were old enough, he would have remembered that he never saw Frigga pregnant.

 

[wobbly]

Asgard and Odin were around longer than that. They had to be around way before human started recording there history. Humans have been on earth for several million years. I remember the old Thor cartoon it said that Thor was born in a cave a Millennium ago. Asgard has to be Millions of years old or maybe even billions since if they want to make the Nordic Mythology origin coincide with the real world age of the world. (3 billion)

I didn't say when Asgard and Odin began, I said when the current crop of Gods began, which as far as the comics are concerned (unless its been ret-conned) was 2012 years ago.

Basically, the cycle of death and rebirth through Ragnarok had been going on for untold ages (there could have been countless cycles before the current run). With each Ragnarok the Gods all died, then were reborn into a 'new' Asgard. Afaik Thor finally ended the perpetual cycle a few years back (before he came back with the new costume).

 

[Endeavor]

If that's the case, how old is Odin since he mentioned of having a father as well in "Thor" and unless his father died prematurely, I assume that he lived for a long period as well.


Also, I would think that Thor would have been very young if Odin came to Earth for the first time when Thor was already born because Frigga isn't Loki's mother thus, if he were old enough, he would have remembered that he never saw Frigga pregnant.

Frigga isn't Thor's biological mother.
Gaia is

 

[Herolee10]

Frigga isn't Thor's biological mother.
Gaia is

Well yeah, that I knew. I was just referring to how Thor believes that Frigga is his real mother.

And until the MCU says otherwise, she is his biological mother...though I'm hoping that they introduce Gala since his half elder god heritage intrigues me.lol

 

[wobbly]

Actually it did have Thor in it, though I don't think it had Loki, (the Thor Thursday thing)

It had a picture of Loki (horned helmet and all).

 

[Scarlettess]

Frigga isn't Thor's biological mother.
Gaia is

In the comics yes but in the movie universe as far as the GA know, Frigga is his biological mother. Unless they say this or bring this up in future Thor movies, but as of now we can assume Frigga is.

edit: herolee beat me to it

 

[Herolee10]

What's interesting to note is that even though Whedon said that the Avengers would have to go through hell before achieving victory, if we're to assume that the scene that was shot of the group in Central Park takes place AFTER the NYC Battle, then it doesn't look like that the Avengers only suffered minor to no injuries from their battles because I don't recall seeing any of them having any visible battle scar wounds for that scene.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Thor can supposedly destroy a galaxy when in possession of the odinforce....how is that any different?

Thor doesn't go on rage filled "smashing sessions" usually.

 

[Endeavor]

ell yeah, that I knew. I was just referring to how Thor believes that Frigga is his real [.
And until the MCU says otherwise, she is his biological mother...though I'm hoping that they introduce Gala since his half elder god heritage intrigues me.lol

Actually it works both ways:
True we don't know if they'll make her his biological mother in the MCU
But we also don't know if Thor and Loki believe her to be their biological mother either, the subject is not brought up. Loki continues to call her mother even after he knew the truth, who's to say Thor wouldn't?

 

[warcam]

What's interesting to note is that even though Whedon said that the Avengers would have to go through hell before achieving victory, if we're to assume that the scene that was shot of the group in Central Park takes place AFTER the NYC Battle, then it doesn't look like that the Avengers only suffered minor to no injuries from their battles because I don't recall seeing any of them having any visible battle scar wounds for that scene.

Assuming, of course, that it's the "real" ending, and not merely an alternate ending to throw everyone off. I know it may seem like a lot to go through, but given how so many other details have been tightly guarded, I find it hard to believe that they would essentially reveal the ending right there in broad daylight for the whole world to see. I could be wrong.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Assuming, of course, that it's the "real" ending, and not merely an alternate ending to throw everyone off. I know it may seem like a lot to go through, but given how so many other details have been tightly guarded, I find it hard to believe that they would essentially reveal the ending right there in broad daylight for the whole world to see. I could be wrong.

The filmed three very different endings

 

[warcam]

The filmed three very different endings

A-HA. I knew it. t:

That whole scene in Central Park just seemed too "easy".
Poni-Boy: Were they all filmed last year around the same time? Or was one of the endings filmed a few weeks ago during the "re-shoots"?

 

[BigThor]

What's interesting to note is that even though Whedon said that the Avengers would have to go through hell before achieving victory, if we're to assume that the scene that was shot of the group in Central Park takes place AFTER the NYC Battle, then it doesn't look like that the Avengers only suffered minor to no injuries from their battles because I don't recall seeing any of them having any visible battle scar wounds for that scene.

Yeah that should be a given though, when do superheroes ever receive long lasting injuries or scars during the final battle?

 

[itchyscratch]

Assuming, of course, that it's the "real" ending, and not merely an alternate ending to throw everyone off. I know it may seem like a lot to go through, but given how so many other details have been tightly guarded, I find it hard to believe that they would essentially reveal the ending right there in broad daylight for the whole world to see. I could be wrong.

I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if that was a fake ending to throw all the fans off track.

 

[BigThor]

^ I believe The Avengers begins with an extended version of Captain America: The First Avenger's ending. It'll be days that separate Captain America's awakening from [BLACKOUT]Loki's return and the Tesseract's theft[/BLACKOUT].

Speaking of which I'd like to see [BLACKOUT]Loki shrugging off bullets or dodging them via teleportation whever Fury & Co. are shooting at him.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

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