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[Poni_Boy]

I didn't say they were in the same league as Thor & Cap, just that they're in the same boat as those two were before their movies hit. Few thought they'd work. An Ant-Man/Wasp movie wouldn't need to be as big as the other Avengers films. But they could easily be Blade-level successful if not more and as long as they are profitable and the budget's are kept reasonable then that would be A-OK with me. Not every superhero movie needs to be gigantic with the WW box office.

I can see your point, it's understandable even though I don't agree with it. I just don't think every superhero deserves his/her own movie. Some are written in the comics to be members of a team and not standalone heroes. Centering a film around them doesn't sound like it's worth the risk when the source is lacking.

 

[mara]

So...
Why, oh why was Black Panther left out?

 

[Supermanreturns]

I fail to see the logic in any of this, especially that first point. You expect Marvel to compete with themselves on the movie they've spent 8 years building up to?

And where are they going to get the money to do three movies a year when they barely, BARELY, had enough for two last year?

Well, i don't know. They must make a 30 million dollars movie.

Look at 2008: Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Punisher War Zone, The Dark Knight Rises, The Spirit, Wanted, Hellboy 2, also Hancock (that it's not a cbm but it's a superhero). The only ones they failed are PWZ and Spirit (but i think christmas releases are wrong for that type of movies).

2013 have Iron Man 3 (May), Man of steel (june), RIPD (june), Wolverine 2 (july), Thor 2 (november). They can simply put a minor movie like Runaways around february or march. Simple.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well, Blade wasn't made by Marvel, but was licensed to New Line Cinema and the movies were made with relatively low budget and even lower expectations. The fact that it spawned a trilogy was probably a surprise to everyone, including Marvel, but the subsequent attempts to cash in on Blade's new-found popularity never really panned out, including a Spike TV show and a newly-launched comic series. Plus the landscape for superhero movies has changed drastically between the time when Blade premiered to right now, so I think your comparison between Blade and Ant-Man isn't valid.

I honestly don't understand the comparison. I love the hell out of Nak Pym/Ant-Man and even I can see that a solo movie with him does not make sense without MAJOR retooling of the character. Blade didn't need any retooling for his film because he had solid standalone character potential.

 

[Poni_Boy]

So...
Why, oh why was Black Panther left out?

Left out of what? He's in the MCU he just hasn't been introduced yet.

 

[Chewy]

So...
Why, oh why was Black Panther left out?

He's coming

One of the next wave of movies they're actively developing when last we heard, along with Dr Strange

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well, i don't know. They must make a 30 million dollars movie.

Look at 2008: Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Punisher War Zone, The Dark Knight Rises, The Spirit, Wanted, Hellboy 2, also Hancock (that it's not a cbm but it's a superhero). The only ones they failed are PWZ and Spirit (but i think christmas releases are wrong for that type of movies).

2013 have Iron Man 3 (May), Man of steel (june), RIPD (june), Wolverine 2 (july), Thor 2 (november). They can simply put a minor movie like Runaways around february or march. Simple.

In bold are the only financial successes. The rest either broke even or failed to make their money back. Of all of those none cost less than $100 million to make.

I think people throw this "just make a $30 million movie" notion around and they honestly have no idea what they're talking about. You can count on two hands the amount of movies released in theaters in the past decade for under $30 million that turned into box office gold.

 

[mara]

Left out of what? He's in the MCU he just hasn't been introduced yet.

Left out of the avengers movie....sorry, should have clarified, apologies.
Can you explain further? I seem to have missed something....

 

[kedrell]

I can see your point, it's understandable even though I don't agree with it. I just don't think every superhero deserves his/her own movie. Some are written in the comics to be members of a team and not standalone heroes. Centering a film around them doesn't sound like it's worth the risk when the source is lacking.

 

[mara]

He's coming

One of the next wave of movies they're actively developing when last we heard, along with Dr Strange

Whoa! Really? I've heard Dr Strange over and over but I have not heard this... So could he possibly show up in an avengers sequel?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Whoa! Really? I've heard Dr Strange over and over but I have not heard this... So could he possibly show up in an avengers sequel?

... you must really be behind on news

 

[Supermanreturns]

Whoa! Really? I've heard Dr Strange over and over but I have not heard this... So could he possibly show up in an avengers sequel?

They have announced scripting development for Captain America 2, Doc Strange, Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy and Iron Fist, besides the ever-announced Runaways and Ant-Man.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Deserves has everything to do with it. If the long standing comic character is not interesting enough to get his/her own solo comic properties then he/she definitely does not deserve to be backed by a studio to be made into a solo film. Or you end up with Steel.

 

[Chewy]

Whoa! Really? I've heard Dr Strange over and over but I have not heard this... So could he possibly show up in an avengers sequel?

Yeah really

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/black-panther-development-marvel-74005

Makes sense that he'd show up in an Avengers sequel

 

[Matt Mortem]

I hope that The Avengers opens the door for the all those wonderful cosmic Marvel characters, although the cosmic Marvel Universe wouldn't feel complete without Silver Surfer and Galactus

 

[mara]

... you must really be behind on news

Uhhh not sure how to take that, I guess so. lol I don't see alot of discussion on him soooo pardon me for asking. t: I want to see him as part of the avengers, that's really what I meant. t:

 

[Shadowlord X]

I think there is a difference between a comicbook character having the potential to have a good movie based on him/her and having adequate mass market appeal.

Almost all characters can have decent movies based upon them if executed well. But the work that needs to go into the execution varies with the character. In decades past it was adequate to have a simple 'fell into vat of toxic waste --> gains superpowers --> fights villains' story and the general public would have been fine. The modern audience will not. This there must be substance built into the character from the ground up to make a compelling film. For example NOVA has a 'youth out of place in society --> gets alien tech powers --> fights villains and finds his true place amongst the stars'. If the characters don't have more substance built into their origin and powers it becomes difficult to make good movies.

However irrespective of that is whether the character and his/her mythos has mass market appeal. Batman has one of the greatest, 'childhood trauma due to criminals --> lifetime obsession with fighting crime'.

Also what has mass market appeal varies with times. Something that worked in the 80's might not work now or vice versa.

If you have a good movie to make about a character, the key is to anticipate the mass market appeal of the project. Then budget appropriately given that research.

Thus you don't go in making a $200 million ANT-MAN movie.

IMO there are lots of MARVEL characters that have the potential for great movies but their mass market appeal potential will vary. These include:
BLACK PANTHER
DR. STRANGE
NAMOR
NOVA
MOON KNIGHT
IRON FIST

The key is budgeting them appropriately.

 

[mara]

Yeah really

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/black-panther-development-marvel-74005

Makes sense that he'd show up in an Avengers sequel

Ah. See I missed that....thank you very much.

 

[mara]

Think I've been following primarily avengers and thor news, hehe

 

[Poni_Boy]

Uhhh not sure how to take that, I guess so. lol I don't see alot of discussion on him soooo pardon me for asking. t: I want to see him as part of the avengers, that's really what I meant. t:

Eh, not your fault. I spend about 12 hours a day reading entertainment news so it just catches me off guard when someone doesn't know about stuff that came out awhile ago Apologies

 

[kedrell]

Deserves has everything to do with it. If the long standing comic character is not interesting enough to get his/her own solo comic properties then he/she definitely does not deserve to be backed by a studio to be made into a solo film. Or you end up with Steel.

It's more about if they can find a way to make it work. I'd argue that no character just deserves a big screen adaption. But if you CAN do it and you want to and are in the business of such things then why not? It's true that Hank & Jan's history is more important as Avengers team members than as solo heroes unlike the big 4 but that doesn't mean they don't deserve a shot. It also doesn't mean they automatically DO deserve one. But I can see where their presence in the MCU would be a very good thing to have(and I don't just mean to get the Ultron story rolling). A husband & wife superhero duo is a dynamic that so far has not been touched on much in films. That's something I'd pay to see.

 

[mara]

Eh, not your fault. I spend about 12 hours a day reading entertainment news so it just catches me off guard when someone doesn't know about stuff that came out awhile ago Apologies

No problem. Thank you for your assistance and contributions here, much appreciated!

 

[protocida]

I don't think they're developing Black Panther as fast as they're developing Doctor Strange. They've got locked-in writers, potential directors and stars, and even a scientific advisor to make all the magic realistic for the latter. The former has a writer that I'm not sure is still in, and rumored actor for the villain that I don't know if it's true.

 

[Suzanne78]

Wright's stock with MS went down after Scott Pilgrim. You could visually see Kevin Feige distancing himself from the guy immediately after the SDCC screening. They can say whatever they want publicly to save face, but the writing's on the wall about that project.

I know box office is king and all that, but !@#$%^ it all! I loved Scott Pilgrim, insane asthetics and all. I wish Universal had marketed it better, as I'm still a big fan of Wright's.

 

[T"Challa]

I've just never been big on a movie adaptation of the Pym's. It would have to be handled pretty carefully. First off, the whole genius scientist thing is already kinda played out, hell u have 2 in the MCU alone with Tony and Bruce. Next, their powers are really nothing to write home about, a size-changing dude with a tinkerbell-like wife who shoots stinging rays. They don't bring things that make them unique to the MCU like Dr.Strange or Black Panther would. They do bring Ultron with them so thats a big plus though.