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[sabetoonth]

on that topic, here's an idea. What if its something not from the comics? An MCU original element? Just sayin.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I thought it was pretty clear that it was vibranium. Remember, in Iron Man 2 he said he was limited by the technology of his time and couldn't create that element. That jives with Captain America in which the vibranium in that movie is all the naturally occuring vibranium they were able to find in the world. Howard only worked with natural vibranium, he didn't make it, whereas Tony made synthetic vibranium.

Yep, that's what I thought as well. It would be silly for MS not to capitalize on Vabranium considering it's integral to Cap's and Black Panther's mythology. Tying it into the Starks seems to be what's going on. Plus, when I saw Iron Man 2, I figured the excessive vibration sound effect when he created the element was further proof.

 

[mkilban2]

i was under the impression he has recreated whatever empowers the cosmic cube. His beams make the same sounds as the nazi guns.. seems like that can't just be coincidence

 

[protocida]

It looked like a splinter of the Tesseract's energy for me.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Yep, that's what I thought as well. It would be silly for MS not to capitalize on Vabranium considering it's integral to Cap's and Black Panther's mythology. Tying it into the Starks seems to be what's going on. Plus, when I saw Iron Man 2, I figured the excessive vibration sound effect when he created the element was further proof.

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised that people think it's not vibranium. It's pretty simple.

- US government discovers a small quantity of vibranium and give it to Howard Stark to see if he can replicate it, but he can't, and instead makes a shield out of it.
- SHIELD is aware of the properties of vibranium having been aware of it for decades, so they point Tony towards the clues which Howard left for him in the hopes that technology will progress enough that Tony will be able to figure out how to synthesize it, which he does.

The End.

 

[mkilban2]

It looked like a splinter of the Tesseract's energy for me.

agreed. I think the Arc Reactor is possibly a very slim recreation of cosmic cube power as well, and this second element he creates is basically the same type of energy on a more powerful scale.

It doesn't make sense that Vibranium would be able to power his chest piece and suit of armor.. that's like powering something with silver or gold, that doesn't happen in real life does it?

Edit: I was thinking about it, and i was thinking maybe its a little bit of both.. the little metal triangle is vibranium and the laser thing he uses on it is cosmic cube? haha idk

 

[Poni_Boy]

i was under the impression he has recreated whatever empowers the cosmic cube. His beams make the same sounds as the nazi guns.. seems like that can't just be coincidence

That's a really big stretch. The Tesseract isn't powered by a metal element, it's pure -- and yet to be explained -- alien energy. And maybe I'm hearing things differently but I just rewatched Iron Man 2 and Cap and I didn't notice an unusual similarity in the vibrating metallic sound of Stark's element creation and the energy weapons Hydra used.

 

[catgirl18]

 

[sabetoonth]

agreed. I think the Arc Reactor is possibly a very slim recreation of cosmic cube power as well, and this second element he creates is basically the same type of energy on a more powerful scale.

It doesn't make sense that Vibranium would be able to power his chest piece and suit of armor.. that's like powering something with silver or gold, that doesn't happen in real life does it?

I dont think it does until you put a current through it

 

[Poni_Boy]

agreed. I think the Arc Reactor is possibly a very slim recreation of cosmic cube power as well, and this second element he creates is basically the same type of energy on a more powerful scale.

It doesn't make sense that Vibranium would be able to power his chest piece and suit of armor.. that's like powering something with silver or gold, that doesn't happen in real life does it?

Well he powered it with Palladium before, which is also a metal and was causing him blood poisoning. That's why he was searching for another conductive metal. When he couldn't fine one, he synthesized it. Hence, synthetic Vibranium.

I don't think we want to talk about the realism of Iron Man, though, since that would disprove every major part of the films haha

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised that people think it's not vibranium. It's pretty simple.

- US government discovers a small quantity of vibranium and give it to Howard Stark to see if he can replicate it, but he can't, and instead makes a shield out of it.
- SHIELD is aware of the properties of vibranium having been aware of it for decades, so they point Tony towards the clues which Howard left for him in the hopes that technology will progress enough that Tony will be able to figure out how to synthesize it, which he does.

The End.

Yahtzee. Makes sense and it fits in with what we've been given. It even ties into Black Panther.

 

[mara]

In Fury's Big Week #7, Fury refers to Stark's new element; [BLACKOUT]"a new element, that would be useful in reigniting the tesseract",[/BLACKOUT] that sorta leads me to be believe its linked to the tesseract alone but who knows, I sure don't. *shrug*

 

[Poni_Boy]

I dont think it does until you put a current through it

I guess this is another common misconception. The Palladium/Vibranium isn't the source of power, it's conductivity is what is crucial to powering the suit. When a current is sent through it, it absorbs and replicates the power continuously. Like a rechargeable super battery.

 

[Poni_Boy]

In Fury's Big Week #7, Fury refers to Stark's new element; [BLACKOUT]"a new element, that would be useful in reigniting the tesseract",[/BLACKOUT] that sorta leads to be believe its linked to the tesseract alone but who knows, I sure don't. *shrug*

And like I said before, if it's an element that conducts, stores and replicates power then that's how it would be useful in unlocking the secrets of the Tesseract.

If Stark just created a smaller version of the Tesseract then why would they need the item itself? They would just use whatever Tony made.

 

[sabetoonth]

I guess this is another common misconception. The Palladium/Vibranium isn't the source of power, it's conductivity is what is crucial to powering the suit. When a current is sent through it, it absorbs and replicates the power continuously. Like a rechargeable super battery.

Bingo, I wasnt exactly sure how the reactors worked, but I know a little about conductive metals, very little.

Like you said, comparing Iron Man to our world starts to take it apart.

 

[gugumugats]

^^ The ray guns in CATFA also reminded me of Iron Man's repulsors. I always thought that the Cosmic Cube would be the big unifying thread in MCU: it comes from Thor's universe, the Starks' repulsor tech comes from studying the Cube. And I also speculated that Vita-rays came from the Cosmic Cube (disproven) and that Hulk is Hulk b/c they used Gamma instead of vita-rays.

 

[mara]

And like I said before, if it's an element that conducts, stores and replicates power then that's how it would be useful in unlocking the secrets of the Tesseract.

If Stark just created a smaller version of the Tesseract then why would they need the item itself? They would just use whatever Tony made.

Ah. Gotcha!

 

[Poni_Boy]

Hope that helped, I'm just using what we've been given to come to conclusions.

 

[mkilban2]

In Fury's Big Week #7, Fury refers to Stark's new element; [BLACKOUT]"a new element, that would be useful in reigniting the tesseract",[/BLACKOUT] that sorta leads me to be believe its linked to the tesseract alone but who knows, I sure don't. *shrug*

where's that comic at? I'm on comixology and i don't see it

 

[T"Challa]

Yahtzee. Makes sense and it fits in with what we've been given. It even ties into Black Panther.

But why wouldn't fury just directly tell stark about vibranium instead of giving him a case of random clues and hope he figures it out. According to the comic tie in, shield knew tony had 3 days to live. Did fury have that much faith in stark to figure out how to synthesize a rare element in under 72 hrs? This is why I'm skeptical about this vibranium theory

 

[sabetoonth]

Tony is a genius. Probably the smartest in the MCU far as we've seen. Im sure Fury had plenty of faith in the genius, billionaire philanthropists, playboy

 

[T"Challa]

Tony is a genius. Probably the smartest in the MCU far as we've seen. Im sure Fury had plenty of faith in the genius, billionaire philanthropists, playboy

Yeah,but dude had 72 hrs to live, and he was already kinda falling apart emotionally. If true, it would have been a massive leap of faith by fury. It would have made infinitely more sense to just tell him about the element and give him a head start considering the fact that dude was dying fast.

 

[Poni_Boy]

But why wouldn't fury just directly tell stark about vibranium instead of giving him a case of random clues and hope he figures it out. According to the comic tie in, shield knew tony had 3 days to live. Did fury have that much faith in stark to figure out how to synthesize a rare element in under 72 hrs? This is why I'm skeptical about this vibranium theory

What other choice did he have? Tony is known for being volatile, telling him that he has three days left to live runs the risk of him continuing to say "screw it" and drinking till he croaks. He gave Tony purpose, an objective and the means to find the solution for himself. That sounds like the best course of action for a situation like this. He even made Coulson and a SHIELD team babysit Tony so he would focus on work and only work. Any good military leader knows the best solutions are figured out by laying the breadcrumbs out and having your men find their own path. It lessens restrictions and lets them utilize their expertise; in this case, Tony's genius level intellect.

 

[BigThor]

Oh yeh! I hope that fight lasts a bit!

Yeah I hope it's alot more destructive and explosive than their fight at the end of THOR, I want to see alot of lightning uses and magical attacks.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah,but dude had 72 hrs to live, and he was already kinda falling apart emotionally. If true, it would have been a massive leap of faith by fury. It would have made infinitely more sense to just tell him about the element and give him a head start considering the fact that dude was dying fast.

Read my above comment, it wouldn't have been prudent to tell him he was on death's door if he wanted him to be focused.

Also, how do we know that Fury knew exactly what he was after? All he knew was that he needed Stark to finish his father's work. All the science stuff is clearly above his head.

And maybe it's not yet named in the MCU, so calling it Vibranium wouldn't fit in with continuity yet. Howard couldnt' create it himself so he probably didn't name a failed experiment.