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[Danalys]

I have a question about the Civil War storyline in the comics. All i know about it is what's kinda touched on in the Ultimate Avengers game so i'm sure i know nothing. But while just researching a little I kinda wanna read it a little bit.

I saw theres like a Civil War #1-7 issues or something but then theres like 35 other things that say like Spider-Man:Civil War and Civil War: XMEN and like a bunch others like that. would I have to read ALL of those in order to fully know the story?

example: would i have to buy this http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Complete-Collection-Version/dp/B001259DRI in order to actually have fully read Civil War?


EDIT: I just found a nice torrent of the above mentioned comic book collection, if anyone is interested I could PM you the link if you'd like, don't really know if i should post it here or not.

civil war 1-7 tells a complete story and everything else expands on it.

 

[mara]

I really need to re-read that run.
I hope they decide to adapt that story for Thor 3.

There's a thought! I doubt it, but that sure would be awesome! Even a animated movie, I'd buy it!

 

[Danalys]

Even that could be considered dishonorable... and then again, Hercules towed Manhattan island so who knows if he can put a hurricane down with a mighty clap of his hands.t:

I agree that Doom's "victory" is a cheap victory. But I feel that Doom, depending on the author's creativity, can always build a machine that exploits the weakness of a certain hero in order to win. That's why I said with preparation time and planning, Doom can beat almost anybody.

so you're saying doom is batman but trained magically rather than physically.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Thor wouldn't have to use the Godblast against Hercules, because he's able to control the weather to the point of creating Hurricanes on a global scale.

More than global. His storms can reach across the Realms simultaneously. And he can also manipulate temporal (sp?) storms.

Basically, don't piss him off of he can throw you through time.

 

[mara]

More than global. His storms can reach across the Realms simultaneously. And he can also manipulate temporal (sp?) storms.

Basically, don't piss him off of he can throw you through time.

That thought crossed my mind as well.
Tis correct.

 

[mara]

so your saying doom is batman but trained magically rather than physically.

You made me giggle.

 

[mkilban2]

civil war 1-7 tells a complete story and everything else expands on it.

I'm downloading the "complete collection" right now, and its 1.5 gb, so i'm assuming i'll have my hands full for awhile.

 

[mkilban2]

..is it weird i feel like a dork because i can't chime in with the comic book conversations. usually its the other way around.

 

[Incredible Hans]

More than global. His storms can reach across the Realms simultaneously. And he can also manipulate temporal (sp?) storms.

Basically, don't piss him off of he can throw you through time.

Of course, such powers look good in one story, but cause problems in other stories where you ask yourself "Why doesn't Thor use his time manipulation powers NOW???"

Why didn't Thor try to send Galactus or Surtur to another time when they invaded the earth? Why didn't he use his "temporal storms" to cause some disturbances in Kang's plans during the Kang Dynasty storyline? Why didn't he send Kurse back to the era of dinosaurs when it looked as if Kurse would beat him?

That's the problem with such powers... used in one story, they look good, but they would ruin other stories so the hero doesn't use them without any explanation given.

 

[mara]

..is it weird i feel like a dork because i can't chime in with the comic book conversations. usually its the other way around.

Don't feel bad, there's a reason why I'm not commenting on Civil War.

 

[Danalys]

..is it weird i feel like a dork because i can't chime in with the comic book conversations. usually its the other way around.

meh just think there's something wrong with anyone who knows more about anything than you. like they'd have to have some unnatural interest in it rather than just being more or earlier exposed to it or just quicker on the up take. it's what most people do.

 

[Roose Bolton]

There's a thought! I doubt it, but that sure would be awesome! Even a animated movie, I'd buy it!

It'd be a great way to end a trilogy, its pretty much the "Dark Knight Returns" of Thor stories t:

 

[The Morningstar]

..is it weird i feel like a dork because i can't chime in with the comic book conversations. usually its the other way around.

lol don't be silly. we're all comic fans here.

 

[mara]

It'd be a great way to end a trilogy, its pretty much the "Dark Knight Returns" of Thor stories t:

 

[The Morningstar]

Of course, such powers look good in one story, but cause problems in other stories where you ask yourself "Why doesn't Thor use his time manipulation powers NOW???"

Why didn't Thor try to send Galactus or Surtur to another time when they invaded the earth? Why didn't he use his "temporal storms" to cause some disturbances in Kang's plans during the Kang Dynasty storyline? Why didn't he send Kurse back to the era of dinosaurs when it looked as if Kurse would beat him?

That's the problem with such powers... used in one story, they look good, but they would ruin other stories so the hero doesn't use them without any explanation given.

Because Galactus and Surtur are more poweful than Thor. They'd laugh off his attemps to time/dimension dump them. They also have those abilities, but on a much higher level than Thor.

The reason Thor doesn't always use the full capability of his powers is because the stories would be boring. Mjolnir is basically a plot device. That goes for pretty much all characters at some point.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Because Galactus and Surtur are more poweful than Thor. They'd laugh off his attemps to time/dimension dump them. They also have those abilities, but on a much higher level than Thor.

Yes, but what about Kurse? Thor cannot defeat him, but Kurse certainly has no time manipulation abilities. It would be logical to send him back in time.

In the Kang Dynasty Storyline, Kang threatens earth with a gigantic space station that has an extremely powerful force field so that the heroes can't confront him. Strangely enough, Thor doesn't even try to shatter the force field with his god blast.

Continuity errors Sometimes Doctor Strange says "This is beyond my power" or "Even my magic cannot do this"... and he is referring to something which he already has done in earlier stories.t:

 

[Lady Marion]

Yeah this is basically a problem with time manipulation. It solves a current problem but leaves more logical holes for following stories. Hope they forget this ability in the movie I don't like it very much.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

At least Red Skull couldn't be in Austria before 1938.

b...but after 1938 it wouldn't have been Austria, since it was part of the Reich and was called Ostmark and the map in CA:TFA clearly says Austria..

And of course, many of the high ranking Nazis (including Mr. Schicklgruber) were Austrians, so maybe the Skull himself had a reason to build his base there. Also there were thousands of illegal Nazis in Austria way before '38

 

[Smashlilman]

Of course, such powers look good in one story, but cause problems in other stories where you ask yourself "Why doesn't Thor use his time manipulation powers NOW???"

Why didn't Thor try to send Galactus or Surtur to another time when they invaded the earth? Why didn't he use his "temporal storms" to cause some disturbances in Kang's plans during the Kang Dynasty storyline? Why didn't he send Kurse back to the era of dinosaurs when it looked as if Kurse would beat him?

That's the problem with such powers... used in one story, they look good, but they would ruin other stories so the hero doesn't use them without any explanation given.

It's kind of like asking why doesn't the United States use a Nuke to win every war they engage in. You have to take into account the collateral damage those powers would create.

 

[Lady Marion]

And it would be a very short story: I can't beat it easily - bam - time warp - game over.

 

[Xeno]

And it would be a very short story: I can't beat it easily - bam - time warp - game over.

Which is a very good argument against giving superheroes ridiculous powers in the first place.

 

[Smashlilman]

Which is a very good argument against giving superheroes ridiculous powers in the first place.

Actually its not a argument against ridiculous powers. When you give a character extreme powers you give there counter part (Villian/Rival) counter powers or at least powers to rival the main character ability.

It's kind of like in DBZ when the characters got to the point where there low level normal attacks were powerful enough to blow up planets. You would think that the villain characters that could survive in space with out food or water would just blow up the planet from the get go but story wise doing extreme things like that were more of a last restore when they couldn't win the battles. Plus the Heroes could all ways counter the attacks with there own attack which were equality as powerful.

Vegeta being the only exception. He doesn't care if he dies because he'd Rather die blowing up the planet than out right loose the fight.

 

[Crimson King]

I'm downloading the "complete collection" right now, and its 1.5 gb, so i'm assuming i'll have my hands full for awhile.

IMO, the main Civil War storyline was the only book that was worth anything in that run. The rest were mostly boring, with the possible exception of Spider-Man, but even his side story was a little weak.

The main books were great, though.

Which is a very good argument against giving superheroes ridiculous powers in the first place.

Agreed. As someone else mentioned the other day, the more popular heroes get more ridiculously overpowered as time goes on.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

IMO, the main Civil War storyline was the only book that was worth anything in that run. The rest were mostly boring, with the possible exception of Spider-Man, but even his side story was a little weak.

The main books were great, though.

idk, the FF books were pretty decent and I kinda liked the Runaways/Young Avengers crossover. Probably because I like the YA.

 

[Crimson King]

idk, the FF books were pretty decent and I kinda liked the Runaways/Young Avengers crossover. Probably because I like the YA.

Ugh, I hated the Thing in France storyline. Didn't read the Runaways at that time, or any other time, come to think of it. I should fix that.