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[protocida]

Joe Johnston is the director of Captain America 2 for the time being.

 

[Chewy]

Joe Johnston is the director of Captain America 2 for the time being.

No he isn't. There is no Captain America 2 for the time being.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I rank TIH(and Hulk is my absolute, all-time favorite fictional character, bar none!) as the weakest of all the Marvel Studios films(I still think it's good, just all the others are better) primarily because it's about the only time that they got the main character wrong in how they portrayed him. Cap, Thor & Iron Man were all pretty spot on in terms of getting the character and their personalities right. But if you don't make the Hulk a character in his own film then I gotta dock serious points off for that because that's not how the character is in the source material.

I get that, but the fact that it did depart slightly from the source is really what was so great about the film. The aim throughout that story was for Bruce Banner to find a cure and get rid of the Hulk. He saw it as a curse and something that couldn't be controlled and it was torturing him. So when you see the fierce, unforgiving and uncontrollable Hulk in action (albeit the tender moments it shares with Betty) you sympathize with Banner wanting to get rid of it. Especially when you parallel it with how messed up it made him. Sadly the best example of this was cut from the film but it is in the deleted scenes. It's the dinner table scene with Betty I keep referencing.

And then of course near the end Banner figures out that he can actually control the beast and comes to terms with his alter-ego, which then sets him up better for the future franchises. It made perfect sense to me and flowed incredible well throughout that story.

 

[protocida]

Schmidt locked the auto-pilot on New York City and the plane was moving at massive speed. It is also stated that there's no way American planes can catch up with it or the bombs can be landed safely on the ground before the plane reaches the soil.

I don't know. I found it perfectly reasonable and very impactful. And I don't see any real plothole about it.

 

[protocida]

No he isn't. There is no Captain America 2 for the time being.

The movie hasn't been greenlit, sure, but it'll obviously happen, and both the director and the writers have started to come up with their ideas for the movie. Anything can happen, as we've seen with Jon Favreau and Iron Man 3, but, right now, Johnston is still attached to return when the movie is made, and there hasn't been any indications that this is changing at the moment.

 

[kedrell]

I get that, but the fact that it did depart slightly from the source is really what was so great about the film. The aim throughout that story was for Bruce Banner to find a cure and get rid of the Hulk. He saw it as a curse and something that couldn't be controlled and it was torturing him. So when you see the fierce, unforgiving and uncontrollable Hulk in action (albeit the tender moments it shares with Betty) you sympathize with Banner wanting to get rid of it. Especially when you parallel it with how messed up it made him. Sadly the best example of this was cut from the film but it is in the deleted scenes. It's the dinner table scene with Betty I keep referencing.

And then of course near the end Banner figures out that he can actually control the beast and comes to terms with his alter-ego, which then sets him up better for the future franchises. It made perfect sense to me and flowed incredible well throughout that story.

To me a slight departure is how they went with Abomination, and I was over-all pretty ok with it(though they could have done better...and I'm not talking about the damn ears). But with regards to Hulk himself, I reckon that to be a major departure.

 

[Chewy]

The movie hasn't been greenlit, sure, but it'll obviously happen, and both the director and the writers have started to come up with their ideas for the movie. Anything can happen, as we've seen with Jon Favreau and Iron Man 3, but, right now, Johnston is still attached to return when the movie is made, and there hasn't been any indications that this is changing at the moment.

He's not attached. They can sign him to do it if they wish and he wishes. As it stands there is no Captain America 2 officially in development and rarely does a director have a meaningful sequel clause in their contract.

 

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

Looking forward to Cap 2 and the WWII flashbacks.

 

[protocida]

OK, man.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

To me a slight departure is how they went with Abomination, and I was over-all pretty ok with it(though they could have done better...and I'm not talking about the damn ears). But with regards to Hulk himself, I reckon that to be a major departure.

So, would you have preferred that he talk or something? Or was it his look? I'll admit to not being completely well versed in Hulk history, but for the context of this particular film I thought everything worked perfectly. I really did like how they portrayed Banner on the run and searching for a cure and then his ultimate acceptance of the Hulk. I was pretty happy that he only spoke a few words too. I still don't know how I'll handle hearing Hulk talk on screen.

 

[MrGreen]

I get that, but the fact that it did depart slightly from the source is really what was so great about the film. The aim throughout that story was for Bruce Banner to find a cure and get rid of the Hulk. He saw it as a curse and something that couldn't be controlled and it was torturing him. So when you see the fierce, unforgiving and uncontrollable Hulk in action (albeit the tender moments it shares with Betty) you sympathize with Banner wanting to get rid of it. Especially when you parallel it with how messed up it made him. Sadly the best example of this was cut from the film but it is in the deleted scenes. It's the dinner table scene with Betty I keep referencing.

And then of course near the end Banner figures out that he can actually control the beast and comes to terms with his alter-ego, which then sets him up better for the future franchises. It made perfect sense to me and flowed incredible well throughout that story.

I agree 100%. I am too a huge Hulk fan and I loved TIH for what it was and I still belive that if we ever get a "Norton's cut" of this film (via MS or fans) the movie that we get will be much much better.

It gave us great action (my fav action sequences from all Marvel films) and it gave the Hulk a personality altough a quiet one.
He wasn't mute, he just chose not to talk. It gave us the thunderclap, the Hulk Smash line (it gives me the chills to this day), a good Blonsky , a great fight and the sad ending that Hulk always has.
And no, Im a fan of the tv show and I watched it BECAUSE I was a fan of the comic first.

 

[The Morningstar]

Hulk is supposed to be a separate persona, the dark side, the bottled up rage that Banner can't release himself personified, who resents the "puny" Banner, but develops his own morality and sense of what is right. He shouldn't be controlled by Banner.

Hulk is supposed to represent that side to us. He is what happens when we bottle up all our rage and can't release it. He is that bottled up rage personified. That is what Hulk is all about. You get rid of that, that psychological aspect, you are left with what amounts to a big green plot device that smashes stuff, which is incredibly boring.

 

[Crimson King]

I rank TIH(and Hulk is my absolute, all-time favorite fictional character, bar none!) as the weakest of all the Marvel Studios films(I still think it's good, just all the others are better) primarily because it's about the only time that they got the main character wrong in how they portrayed him. Cap, Thor & Iron Man were all pretty spot on in terms of getting the character and their personalities right. But if you don't make the Hulk a character in his own film then I gotta dock serious points off for that because that's not how the character is in the source material.

THIS. I've been waiting for Hulk to be an actual character in his movies. Given what I've heard from Avengers, maybe it's finally upon us.

 

[Chewy]

Has anyone mentioned that in TIH Banner swallowed a flash drive whole, turned into a giant monster, rampaged around, turned back into himself after about twelve hours, and was able to regurgitate it whole, undamaged, with just his fingers?

To me that's lazier writing than letting the audience assume Cap has to nosedive the plane

 

[protocida]

^ Really. We're doing this, now?

 

[Raiden]

I get that, but the fact that it did depart slightly from the source is really what was so great about the film. The aim throughout that story was for Bruce Banner to find a cure and get rid of the Hulk. He saw it as a curse and something that couldn't be controlled and it was torturing him. So when you see the fierce, unforgiving and uncontrollable Hulk in action (albeit the tender moments it shares with Betty) you sympathize with Banner wanting to get rid of it. Especially when you parallel it with how messed up it made him. Sadly the best example of this was cut from the film but it is in the deleted scenes. It's the dinner table scene with Betty I keep referencing.

And then of course near the end Banner figures out that he can actually control the beast and comes to terms with his alter-ego, which then sets him up better for the future franchises. It made perfect sense to me and flowed incredible well throughout that story.

My biggest problem with TIH, aside from the occasional fake-looking Hulk, is that the heart rate and not the anger is tied to Hulk's transformation. I found the fact that Banner's intimacy with Betty could potentially make him Hulk-out to be laughable, and it also begs the question of whether he could also transform during a cardio-vascular exercise and other non-anger related activities. I hope in TA, they will go back to the anger being key for Banner to Hulk-out.

 

[MrGreen]

Has anyone mentioned that in TIH Banner swallowed a flash drive whole, turned into a giant monster, rampaged around, turned back into himself after about twelve hours, and was able to regurgitate it whole, undamaged, with just his fingers?

To me that's lazier writing than letting the audience assume Cap has to nosedive the plane

That's and the deleted scenes are my complains. The Hulk would have digested that thing in seconds

 

[kedrell]

So, would you have preferred that he talk or something? Or was it his look? I'll admit to not being completely well versed in Hulk history, but for the context of this particular film I thought everything worked perfectly. I really did like how they portrayed Banner on the run and searching for a cure and then his ultimate acceptance of the Hulk. I was pretty happy that he only spoke a few words too. I still don't know how I'll handle hearing Hulk talk on screen.

YES! Holy God, yes! THAT is what I've been waiting for. If he doesn't talk(and I don't mean just 5 or 6 words in the entirety of a movie as that's just an insult) then he's not really a character. He's just a big special effect. And having him and Banner play off each other is critical. That's what makes the complete Banner/Hulk character interesting. On their own they can get pretty dull.

 

[The Morningstar]

My biggest problem with TIH, aside from the occasional fake-looking Hulk, is that the heart rate and not the anger is tied to Hulk's transformation. I found the fact that Banner's intimacy with Betty could potentially make him Hulk-out to be laughable, and it also begs the question of whether he could also transform during a cardio-vascular exercise and other non-anger related activities. I hope in TA, they will go back to the anger being key for Banner to Hulk-out.

Yea i hated that too. Hulk's famous quote is "You wouldn't like me when i'm angry!" not "You wouldn't like me when my heart rate goes too fast!" I'm baffled as to how people can overlook that.

 

[Chewy]

That's and the deleted scenes are my complains. The Hulk would have digested that thing in seconds

I also think the humor doesn't work (the cab scene specifically)

I like TIH. I think it and CA are both very good, somewhat flawed films. Thor and Iron Man are my faves of the MCU films. IM2 is the weakest.

 

[kedrell]

My biggest problem with TIH, aside from the occasional fake-looking Hulk, is that the heart rate and not the anger is tied to Hulk's transformation. I found the fact that Banner's intimacy with Betty could potentially make him Hulk-out to be laughable, and it also begs the question of whether he could also transform during a cardio-vascular exercise and other non-anger related activities. I hope in TA, they will go back to the anger being key for Banner to Hulk-out.

That's another big problem I had in TIH but it pales next to Hulk not being a character.

 

[Matt Mortem]

My biggest problem with TIH, aside from the occasional fake-looking Hulk, is that the heart rate and not the anger is tied to Hulk's transformation. I found the fact that Banner's intimacy with Betty could potentially make him Hulk-out to be laughable, and it also begs the question of whether he could also transform during a cardio-vascular exercise and other non-anger related activities. I hope in TA, they will go back to the anger being key for Banner to Hulk-out.

That bugged the hell out of me as well. Hulk is a rage monster. Thats a fundamental part of the character.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Seriously? Him being tortured wasn't good enough?

I know. One full mission with Cap and the Howling Commandos was really all they needed to make all the characters relevant and let them actually work together. The guys at rifftrax said it best during the montage scene, "and now Captain America does a bunch of cool stuff for the trailer!"

This shoulda been the entire third act:

One huge, epic battle between Cap, The Commandos & Hydra. Something in the vein of Spielberg's D-Day opening for Saving Private Ryan.

 

[The Morningstar]

YES! Holy God, yes! THAT is what I've been waiting for. If he doesn't talk(and I don't mean just 5 or 6 words in the entirety of a movie as that's just an insult) then he's not really a character. He's just a big special effect. And having him and Banner play off each other is critical. That's what makes the complete Banner/Hulk character interesting. On their own they can get pretty dull.

It would be nice but dialogue isn't essential to get a characters feelings or thoughts across.

There is a scene in Ang's Hulk, the first "hulk out" where Hulk is smashing up Banner's lab. He consciously pauses and looks at the Gamma machine with contempt, then destroys it. This action says more than a thousand words and shows that Hulk is his own, separate character. Hulk resents Banner and his work. That's the way it should be, at first at least.

 

[MrGreen]

YES! Holy God, yes! THAT is what I've been waiting for. If he doesn't talk(and I don't mean just 5 or 6 words in the entirety of a movie as that's just an insult) then he's not really a character. He's just a big special effect. And having him and Banner play off each other is critical. That's what makes the complete Banner/Hulk character interesting. On their own they can get pretty dull.

You can get a mute character and still care or root for him. Look at Caesar in the apes remake/reboot film.
Don't get me wrong, I want the Hulk character as much as you and I still don't understand why they won't make him talk more. I just wanted to point out that it doesn't needs to talk to be a character.