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[TheIrishAvenger]

Have any of you guys got HD download links to those four international TV spots?

 

[Raiden]

Jane could work as a damsel-in-distress if she is taken to Asgard, but I would only want that to be either a side or a part of the overall thing and not the central plot.

I agree, because that would be a waste of Portman's talent.

 

[Guerrilla]

Does jane ever get powers or become more than just thor's love interest?

 

[djKiDDvIcIOUs]

Anyone else seen the Dr. Pepper commercial for TA w/ Stan Lee? It's pretty funny

 

[Xeno]

I think RDJ stands out because Stark is a more charismatic, in your face character. But i think Evans' actual performance was the best of the Marvel leads so far. And one of the best lead performances in any comic book movie. He did a lot of acting with his eyes and facial expressions, which i love to see.

I totally agree with this. Pages late, but whatever.

 

[wobbly]

Does jane ever get powers or become more than just thor's love interest?

She was briefly granted Godhood once, but Odin didn't take to her and set her a test he knew she'd fail. He then stripped her of her powers then sent her back to Earth with no memory of Thor either (Comic Odin can be a real ###k sometimes).

 

[04nbod]

They could ignore it. It wasn't a lot, but I think it was obvious to most of the audience watching what was happening. I didn't know Jamie insisted on that, but for good or ill it's there now. I'd personally like to see them expand on it.

Jaimie says that because she knew the direction the comics went she brought it up to Marvel that is should be in the movie a little because she thought fans would appreciate it. She also wants more of it to work with in the sequel she says.

I'm not so sure it was a good idea. It may have been a bit intrusive on the Thor/Jane story especially when they had Jaimie promoting her role and everyone kept asking her whether Sif was going to be the third wheel. In my opinion, it was too soon. They need time to build up the relationship with Jane. As we saw, Thor and Jane had very little time together but we are left with hope that they can be together at the end.

That said, I don't think there was anything that couldn't be passed off as friendly concern at the end.

 

[The Morningstar]

I thought it was very well done, in regards to Sif's feelings for Thor. Very subtle and natural, no spoon feeding, bashing us around the head with it. Just little glances here and there.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Again, I just see it as being artificial. Thor going to save her doesn't prove he loves her. If anything it could devalue their relationship with accusations of her just having a hero complex if they suddenly fall in love when he rescues her. Her being threatened or not doesn't make or break Thor 2 being high stakes. Frankly I'd hope they'd rely on a strong main story as the backbone of the sequel.

Also it wasn't because she was first. It was her strength of character and selflessness, like others have said, that drew Thor to her (and running him over twice ). It wasn't a full blown romance, but it was enough that Thor longed to get back to Earth. He wanted to explore the possibilities with her.

In a perfect world, I would have had them drop the romance arc altogether, but I guess that's not the case. But her being in danger wouldn't devalue the relationship. It's not about Jane falling in love with Thor because she rescues him, especially since she has already fallen in love with him. IF it's the case (since we don't know if she's even being taken to Asgard) and she get's taken hostage or put in the line of fire or whatever, it would have to be for some reason other than the bad guys knowing she's Thor's girlfriend. They can make her meaningful to the plot and solidify their relationship by doing so.

I agree, because that would be a waste of Portman's talent.

I honestly think her talent was already wasted on the first film. She clearly has a lot more to offer and that's why I'm hoping they can do something interesting with her in the sequel.

 

[TheVileOne]

Anyone else seen the Dr. Pepper commercial for TA w/ Stan Lee? It's pretty funny

I have. It was funny.

 

[04nbod]

She was briefly granted Godhood once, but Odin didn't take to her and set her a test he knew she'd fail. He then stripped her of her powers then sent her back to Earth with no memory of Thor either (Comic Odin can be a real ###k sometimes).

Left her on Earth with no memories but a guy that looked like Thor as Donald so any residual memory would latch onto him and not his son. Then sent Thor to hook up with Sif. Can you imagine being separated from the love of your life and not knowing but feeling that something wasn't right with the person you were left with but never being able to put your finger on it? Then you figure it out and the guy you wanted to marry is now mad about someone else?

Evil. What If? #25 takes that issue and does it better actually, with a much more satisfying ending. Thor and Jane get out of Asgard before Odin can put the whammy on her, Asgard falls into civil war (The Warriors Three and the Avengers on Thor's side and Sif, Balder and Loki on Odin's side, Heimdall as a neutral who helps Jane and the Vizier end the conflict with reason) and in the end Thor and Jane make their own Asgard on Earth a la JMS' Asgard

 

[The Infernal]

Jaimie says that because she knew the direction the comics went she brought it up to Marvel that is should be in the movie a little because she thought fans would appreciate it. She also wants more of it to work with in the sequel she says.

I'm not so sure it was a good idea. It may have been a bit intrusive on the Thor/Jane story especially when they had Jaimie promoting her role and everyone kept asking her whether Sif was going to be the third wheel. In my opinion, it was too soon. They need time to build up the relationship with Jane. As we saw, Thor and Jane had very little time together but we are left with hope that they can be together at the end.

That said, I don't think there was anything that couldn't be passed off as friendly concern at the end.

Dunno, I think that's stretching it a bit. I doubt many would have interpreted it that way. Though you may be right that it's potentially too early, but the upshot of that is that it doesn't come out of left field if they eventually do decide to pursue that aspect of her character.

Also with the rate at which they make these movies it seems that as you get to the third movie it's less likely the cast will stay on so it probably pays to deal with some of these things while they still can.

Personally I can't really fault Jamie for insisting on that little moment. It doesn't feel out of place to me and I can't fault someone thinking about where their career (unless it's to the detriment of movie).

 

[The Infernal]

In a perfect world, I would have had them drop the romance arc altogether, but I guess that's not the case. But her being in danger wouldn't devalue the relationship. It's not about Jane falling in love with Thor because she rescues him, especially since she has already fallen in love with him. IF it's the case (since we don't know if she's even being taken to Asgard) and she get's taken hostage or put in the line of fire or whatever, it would have to be for some reason other than the bad guys knowing she's Thor's girlfriend. They can make her meaningful to the plot and solidify their relationship by doing so.

It wouldn't automatically devalue the relationship, but putting too much emphasis on her being in peril possibly could. There are tons of examples in films where there are great on screen relationships where the damsel is rescued by the hero, but it's generally more about their personalities and the relationship itself rather than the situation. That's just what gets the ball rolling in most good cases.

I think that she can be important to the plot and Thor without directly being in peril. Though I expect it would be impossible to keep her completely out of it, she's bound to seek it out, especially if Thor is in danger (like the end of the last movie).

Anyway, I think it just comes down to preference really.

 

[Hawkingbird]

There's seemed to be a clip with Cap and Tony arguing about style released?

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

It wouldn't automatically devalue the relationship, but putting too much emphasis on her being in peril possibly could. There are tons of examples in films where there are great on screen relationships where the damsel is rescued by the hero, but it's generally more about their personalities and the relationship itself rather than the situation. That's just what gets the ball rolling in most good cases.

I think that she can be important to the plot and Thor without directly being in peril. Though I expect it would be impossible to keep her completely out of it, she's bound to seek it out, especially if Thor is in danger (like the end of the last movie).

Anyway, I think it just comes down to preference really.

And I'm not saying that has to be the central focus, in fact I really don't want it to be. I want Thor in Asgard to be the focus, but obviously Jane is going to have a role, so if she's there then she needs to be utilized much better than she was in Thor.

I'm really just looking at what's the most probable thing here. If Jane's a part of it all and the film is already focusing more on Asgard, then there's a good chance she might show up in Asgard. And if she does, then I don't see how she could avoid getting into some kind of trouble. That being the case, it would be a good opportunity to expand on their relationship using that angle.

 

[The Infernal]

Fair enough, Bobby. I was working under that impression from your posts, you cleared that up. I see where you're coming from for the rest, but I just have a different opinion on how they could go (though not entirely different from what I gather).

 

[Hawkingbird]

I just went on a spoiler review of Avengers, hoping to scroll to the bottom to see the stars. I accidently saw the bottom....

Spoiler

[BLACKOUT]I CAN'T BELIEVE THANOS IS GOING TO TURN UP. OH MY GOD. OOOH THIS HAS SPOILT IT BUT BAAAAH. GUTTED THAT IT'S SPOILT.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[04nbod]

Dunno, I think that's stretching it a bit. I doubt many would have interpreted it that way. Though you may be right that it's potentially too early, but the upshot of that is that it doesn't come out of left field if they eventually do decide to pursue that aspect of her character.

Also with the rate at which they make these movies it seems that as you get to the third movie it's less likely the cast will stay on so it probably pays to deal with some of these things while they still can.

Personally I can't really fault Jamie for insisting on that little moment. It doesn't feel out of place to me and I can't fault someone thinking about where their career (unless it's to the detriment of movie).

I think the way Frigga asks how Thor is and the way Sif says that he misses the mortal is what can pass it off as friendly concern. She didn't really say it in a jealous way at all, I could hear a little confusion in the tone as if Sif doesn't understand why he's upset about a little person but nothing that suggested she wanted him for herself.

 

[The Infernal]

I think the way Frigga asks how Thor is and the way Sif says that he misses the mortal is what can pass it off as friendly concern. She didn't really say it in a jealous way at all, I could hear a little confusion in the tone as if Sif doesn't understand why he's upset about a little person but nothing that suggested she wanted him for herself.

I don't recall what was actually said. I haven't seen it since I saw it in the cinema admittedly, I'm just going by the look she gave when the camera lingered on her for a second or two. Not much I admit, but it didn't look like her face was full of friendly concern.

But like I said before they could ignore it, but I hope they don't.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Fair enough, Bobby. I was working under that impression from your posts, you cleared that up. I see where you're coming from for the rest, but I just have a different opinion on how they could go (though not entirely different from what I gather).

Cool man. What do you think is gonna be the most likely way they'll use her?

 

[Iceman]

I don't know. Every female character in these films seems to end up with some romantic involvement with the hero. I like that Black Widow isn't going to go that route at least in this film. It's cool having female allies who are obviously (to the GA) there just because of their prowess.

 

[Scarlettess]

Cool man. What do you think is gonna be the most likely way they'll use her?

I hope she helps Thor win or she takes down an enemy using her intellect, working behind the scenes but not on front field thus not getting physicallyb involved in fighting, but pulling some strings to work in her/Asgards favour.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Thing is, the romances are part of the comics. I'd like to see something play out between Hawkeye and Black Widow, only for Mocking Bird to turn up and take him away from her. But I also want Scar Jo and Renner to hook up and have children

 

[The Infernal]

Cool man. What do you think is gonna be the most likely way they'll use her?

Likely? I really have no idea. I think damsel is the most common thing to do with a leading lady, so it's not like it's out of the question, but considering we have what looks to be a really good director on board I'm hoping they find something new and interesting. I wouldn't mind if they expanded on her scientist role from the last one with her studies that SHIELD nearly took from her and not just have a lip service reference to it.

 

[djKiDDvIcIOUs]

I just went on a spoiler review of Avengers, hoping to scroll to the bottom to see the stars. I accidently saw the bottom....

Spoiler

[BLACKOUT]I CAN'T BELIEVE THANOS IS GOING TO TURN UP. OH MY GOD. OOOH THIS HAS SPOILT IT BUT BAAAAH. GUTTED THAT IT'S SPOILT.[/BLACKOUT]

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