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[spideyboy_1111]

So which franchise would you guys rather see them in 1st? x-men as villains or avengers as heroes?

In a perfect world they'd appear in XMEN then cross over to the mcu. But..... I'm thinking it actually means "first come first serve" which probably means they will show up in first class 2 to snag them before marvel

 

[Iceman]

In a perfect world I'd like to see Quicksilver introduced to the X-universe first and Scarlet Witch to the Avengers. Then they meet in a crossover and also find out about Mags who can be the villain of said film.

 

[Danalys]

http://www.livestream.com/assemblelive

they're playing songs from the soundtrack album on the stream for the graffiti art.

 

[Figs]

Let's sing the first two letters of the alphabet! lol

 

[cherokeesam]

In a perfect world they'd appear in XMEN then cross over to the mcu. But..... I'm thinking it actually means "first come first serve" which probably means they will show up in first class 2 to snag them before marvel

I don't get that impression at all.

Feige said that both Marvel Studios and Fox can use them; he didn't say anything about either-or or first-come first-served. Instead, I'd reckon that Fox could use them as mutants and Magneto's kiddies; but Marvel could use the more traditional, older portrayal of them from the Silver Age as just brother-sister Avengers, long before the Magneto connection was ever conceived by writers. Obviously, Marvel would have to change their origins --- Wanda would be easier than Pietro, because she could be portrayed as an actual "Witch" with magical powers; but QS would be a bit more difficult, as speedsters would have to have some sort of logical explanation (comic book logic, that is) for their super-speed.

 

[steintym]

It'll mean more when the US reviewers have had a fair crack. I've seen a few films get treated well by Ozzie (in particular) and UK press.

I'm glad though that we've had quite a lot of familiar forum people come back and say they loved it as we have an idea how these guys think having read about their views on the film in depth. I'm already confident on that basis alone that I'm going to like it.

Yeah, the forum regulars are what really encourage me. Their opinions have almost all been extremely positive.

 

[terry78]

Do you bring Wanda and Pietro on board as villains first, then have them turn, or just bring them on as reluctant team members from the get go?

 

[Danalys]

well mutants were almost invented (as a comic book explanation of powers) so they didn't have to keep coming up with serums, radioactive, gamma and cosmic rays as explanations for powers. i'd just throw them in, let what they do define them.

think of hawkeye for example his skills don't need an explanation they're just his from birth and training. it might be easier for people to accept his skills since they are extensions of skills people already have, but i don't see why everything has to be explained some things can just be discovered and accepted.

 

[cherokeesam]

Do you bring Wanda and Pietro on board as villains first, then have them turn, or just bring them on as reluctant team members from the get go?

I could see the MCU work the villains-to-heroes angle without Magneto's Brotherhood. It would involve a resurgent HYDRA, and Wanda and Pietro being test subjects who slip their noose and hook up with the Avengers they were sent to kill.

Hell, I mighta just spoiled the script to Avengers 2. t:

 

[Spider-Vader]

I don't think they're terribly likely to show up in Avengers, since the major portions of their backstory (mutants, Magneto's kids) would probably be off-limits.

If Marvel can't even hint that they're mutants, I don't think they should use them. Marvel will get the rights back to X-Men one day, so it doesn't matter if they're not in the first set of Avengers movies.

 

[Vulklin]

I am wondering how the Avengers are going to beat Thanos, without resorting to some daft plot device.

Scarlet Witch is a character who could defeat him, if they portray her as the uber powerful reality warping crazy gal and it could set up an awesome showdown at the conclusion of the trilogy.

Before that maybe they can fight Ultron and Hydra during Avengers 2 and start of Avengers 3

Imagine a final act of Avengers 3 where about 10 Avengers including Thor and Hulk are trying to battle Thanos, without success, then Scarlet Witch enters and cue a truly EPIC confrontation

 

[BigThor]

I doubt we'd be approaching the release of Avengers nor would there be an MCU without him. He also gets his share of credit for keeping the characters as faithful as they are to the comics.

Very true, I never thought I'd see the day where Thor and Captain America are turned into big screen successes while remaining true to the comics.

Sure the MCU isn't perfect, but it's off to one hell of a start I'll tell you that much.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I don't get that impression at all.

Feige said that both Marvel Studios and Fox can use them; he didn't say anything about either-or or first-come first-served. Instead, I'd reckon that Fox could use them as mutants and Magneto's kiddies; but Marvel could use the more traditional, older portrayal of them from the Silver Age as just brother-sister Avengers, long before the Magneto connection was ever conceived by writers. Obviously, Marvel would have to change their origins --- Wanda would be easier than Pietro, because she could be portrayed as an actual "Witch" with magical powers; but QS would be a bit more difficult, as speedsters would have to have some sort of logical explanation (comic book logic, that is) for their super-speed.

Pietro could just say that he was born with the ability. Sort of hinting at him being a Mutant but never saying it up front.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Personally I don't see a need to bring in either of those characters. Seems to me it would just dilute the others and we definitely "don't" need more Avengers on screen together than what's assembled currently. And don't even start with rotating out the current team, cause any talk of Hulk, Cap, IM, or Thor not showing up in subsequent films just tells me not to show up to watch it cause at that point it's just a fan service.

My thought is that we will see the current line-up through 3 films (as it should be imho), then there will prob be a rotation or two from there as actors rotate out.

 

[cherokeesam]

Personally I don't see a need to bring in either of those characters. Seems to me it would just dilute the others and we definitely "don't" need more Avengers on screen together than what's assembled currently. And don't even start with rotating out the current team, cause any talk of Hulk, Cap, IM, or Thor not showing up in subsequent films just tells me not to show up to watch it cause at that point it's just a fan service.

My thought is that we will see the current line-up through 3 films (as it should be imho), then there will prob be a rotation or two from there as actors rotate out.

Good lord, I hope you're wrong. I'd hate for Avengers 2 and 3 some 10-12 years from now still rehashing an aging RDJ, Hems, Evans, Ruffalo, Renner and Scarjo without adding anyone new.

Keep the current cast, yes, as best as possible; but for the love of god, add in other key Avengers in the sequels, like Hank and Janet, T'Challa, Wanda and Pietro, and Vision.

 

[Matt Mortem]

The only additions to the team I absolutely must have is the Pyms. They bring Ultron and Vision. From here on Marvel should only focus on including people who can bring something to the table. To include characters because their powers look cool on screen is just plain dumb. Thats the trouble Fox got into with the X-Men.

 

[Xeno]

*And* still with Fox.

So we could conceivably see an XMFC2 featuring Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver as part of Magneto's Brotherhood, and in the same year two totally different actors playing Wanda and Pietro in Avengers 2.

Luh-huv it. t:

That might be awful. X:FC is set in the 60s, so there would be Maximoffs in different eras in the two franchises. Also, I trust Marvel to get the characterization just right, Fox's lackeys not so much.

 

[Chewy]

I want this same exact cast for 2 more movies with maybe one character, a Black Panther or a Ms Marvel, added.

In some ways swapping out these characters very much does feel like it would be fanservice. And I say that as a fan of most of the characters who would be swapped in.

Think of how X2 added Nightcrawler but kept the rest of the cast, and how natural it felt. Whereas X3 dropped a bunch of the central characters and added in fan faves for 3 minute roles, and it all was horrible.

And the Avengers here each feel more important to this film than anyone outside of Wolverine did to those X-flicks.

 

[Vulklin]

I really don't understand why they killed off Cyclops in X-Men

I really liked the cartoon and Cyclops was the main one

The only new character I liked in X-Men 3 was Beast, he was great and should have been in from the start

Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut was embarrassing

 

[Figs]

I say get rid of Renner and especially Scarjo to make room for another person or two in the sequel. I haven't seen the film yet so I'm not exactly hating on them, it's just the big four need to stay for at least one more film and if they want to add any new characters, then it's going to get really crowded.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I think Hawkeye's gonna end up a supporting character in Captain America 2.

 

[Kane52630]

and he threw it on the grrrooound!!!

He's not gonna be apart of this system.

 

[Figs]

I think Hawkeye's gonna end up a supporting character in Captain America 2.

That would be nice for Renner since it sounds like he kind of got the shaft in Avengers.

 

[HighFivingMF]

He's not gonna be apart of this system.

 

[Chewy]

That would be nice for Renner since it sounds like he kind of got the shaft in Avengers.

He didn't. No one did, really.

Well, Stellan Skarsgard did. lol