The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 64

[Whiskey Tango]

Nice to see you are also a Star Wars fan

Not as much as I once was. Flannel George has killed some of my enthusiasm in recent years but not all of it.

 

[TheVileOne]

People like Alexei can say whatever they want about Feige but fact of the matter is this, did anyone here ever imagine a movie for a character like Thor could make close to half a billion dollars worldwide box office? Feige was one of the architects of that plus the earlier X-Men movies.

Were mistakes made but overall the output has been a success. Like it or not, Cap and Thor were success stories for Disney/Marvel. Iron Man is a billion dollar franchise. And now we have this movie that hopefully does well.

Now selfishly yes, I hope that Feige doesn't take the gig but at the same time could he be the type of guy Disney needs? Maybe he is. I think maybe Disney could use a creative guy who understands the creative process but is also is willing to make tough decisions. Will be interesting to see.

 

[Danalys]

maybe if feige is disney chairman he could get loeb off the cartoons and put yost as the head of that division.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If Feige does take it, I just hope Loeb doesn't jump to the movie side.

I... I think my heart just stopped.

 

[TheVileOne]

Wow lot of Loeb haterade going around these days.

 

[Raiden]

I don't want Feige to take the job as the VP of Disney; I prefer to have him remain at Marvel Studios to produce more movies for Marvel superheroes. But given the chaotic situation at the top of the Disney hierarchy, I won't be surprised if they will try to pull some execs from either Marvel or Pixar to fill the void, and since Feige has alot of experiences with movies he could become one of the top candidates for the job.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well Lasseter became head of Disney and Pixar animation but he still co-directed Cars 2.

Still this is a seat even above Lasseter's position.

 

[Danalys]

i don't think he's the same guy any more. he did great work but then he's part of things that could have been better. i also liked the concept of red hulk (a driven intelligent hulk that bites of more that it can chew.) ultimate spider-man is just awful tho.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

What about John Lasseter? I figured he'd be in the running as well.

ah, post at same time.

 

[Danalys]

Well Lasseter became head of Disney and Pixar animation but he still co-directed Cars 2.

Still this is a seat even above Lasseter's position.

didn't he also sort out tangled tho.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I don't want Feige to take the job as the VP of Disney; I prefer to have him remain at Marvel Studios to produce more movies for Marvel superheroes. But given the chaotic situation at the top of the Disney hierarchy, I won't be surprised if they will try to pull some execs from either Marvel or Pixar to fill the void, and since Feige has alot of experiences with movies he could become one of the top candidates for the job.

If someone like Joss Whedon were willing to fill the void I'd be content with Feige taking that top spot at Disney. I was a disney fan before I was a marvel fan and I want Disney to get back to the glory days.

 

[The Infernal]

The thing that makes Civil War even worse than it already was? Apparently Marvels intention was for us to side with Stark and the Pro-Reg side.

Ha, well you ****ed up there didn't you?

Yeah, that was **** up. Though Mark Millar was involved so in my mind it seems a little more understandable that the audience disagreed. Plus someone in the comic business, not sure who, once said that a lot of those who work in it are likely centre right leaning when it comes to politics, so that might explain their stance on it.

Though mostly I just think it's their writing and how they executed the story that's at fault. It would have been a lot easier to have made Stark's side more sympathetic. I never got that from the comic, they always seemed like backstabbing asses.

Civil War just wouldn't logistically work in the MCU. You can't villainise any of these characters. And there simply isn't enough superhumans to make a SHRA worthwhile.

What you could do is have a clash of philosophies over the idea of Avengers being privatised or actually part of SHIELD.

I dunno. I think potentially it could be adapted to work better on screen. I don't know how it would work out exactly, but considering they are talking the potential third Avengers film it wouldn't hurt if they used post Avengers 2 films to plant seeds for it.

I think with how much audiences have invested in the characters through the various films it could give the story more impact than the actual comic had and really have the audience torn on who to root for. I wouldn't have it a direct adaptation, but more the core of the idea. I would change a few things like not having Stark's side be so unsympathetic, both sides should seem like they have some credibility and it shouldn't be important which side the audience chooses.

 

[Danalys]

well if you want the audience to think the pro reg side is the right one you don't put the paragon of truth, justice and liberty on the opposite side. you don't have your most popular character change to the other side after realising the repercussions of it either. and you don't have the pro reg side violating human ethics (cloning without consent) and killing a hero. just saying.

 

[MrGreen]

well if you want the audience to think the pro reg side is the right one you don't put the paragon of truth, justice and liberty on the opposite side. you don't have your most popular character change to the other side after realising the repercussions of it either. just saying.

I think World War Hulk is better fit in cinema than Civil War

 

[Silvermoon]

For those interested, DigitalSpy posted an unedited (nearly 25 min. long) video of the UK press conference. that 'other' site had noted that there are spoilers in this video (I haven't had a chance to watch it yet), so if you're trying to avoid spoilers I guess watch at your own risk:

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[TheVileOne]

The point is this, really it would've worked if Iron Man was on the side of anti-registration.

I mean just remember, Iron Man has always done stuff like that. He started his own personal civil war against the Marvel Universe with ARMOR WARS if you recall where he fought guys like Cap.

 

[The Infernal]

well if you want the audience to think the pro reg side is the right one you don't put the paragon of truth, justice and liberty on the opposite side. just saying.

Or have Peter 'poster boy Spidey' Parker jump sides to the anti-reg side. It doesn't do you any favours if you have your hero join the other side.


I watched Graham Norton earlier. Pretty funny as usual. Not much was given away about Avengers, but Graham did say Hulk stole the show. I dunno, it sounded like he had seen it himself (or a researcher had lol) with the way he said it.

Also I did sorta hope that the guests would have mingled with each other more, they seemed comfortable enough with each other, but there wasn't a great deal of interaction like there can be with some guests (I recommend looking up the Graham Norton show with Damien Lewis and Gerard Depardieu. That one is incredibly funny).

 

[Danalys]

the point was that he saw it as inevitable because he's a futurist and worn down. so it wasn't worth fighting and you might as well go along with it. but others thought the tide could and must be stemmed forever.

 

[MrGreen]

Civil War was my first real aproach to Iron Man and I hated Tony until RDJ made him likeable.

I only read Hulk related comics from Marvel and at that point I was just following Planet Hulk. I hated the Iluminati and after WWH I bought the TPB of Civil War and ended up hating Stark.

It was a great experience lol

 

[Danalys]

Or have Peter 'poster boy Spidey' Parker jump sides to the anti-reg side. It doesn't do you any favours if you have your hero join the other side.


I watched Graham Norton earlier. Pretty funny as usual. Not much was given away about Avengers, but Graham did say Hulk stole the show. I dunno, it sounded like he had seen it himself (or a researcher had lol) with the way he said it.

Also I did sorta hope that the guests would have mingled with each other more, they seemed comfortable enough with each other, but there wasn't a great deal of interaction like there can be with some guests (I recommend looking up the Graham Norton show with Damien Lewis and Gerard Depardieu. That one is incredibly funny).

i think they just didn't know of each other that well. but they were appreciative of what was revealed about each other. so the show was getting to know each other rather than bouncing off each other.

also 12,345 you don't see that every day.

 

[The Infernal]

The point is this, really it would've worked if Iron Man was on the side of anti-registration.

I mean just remember, Iron Man has always done stuff like that. He started his own personal civil war against the Marvel Universe with ARMOR WARS if you recall where he fought guys like Cap.

I dunno. Cap may seem like just as much of a natural fit. He's the truth, justice and freedom guy. 616 Cap at least seems like the sort of guy who would stand up to big government trying to invade people's personal freedoms and such.

With Iron Man I feel like there's an explanation to be had or some angle as to why he did it, but with Cap it would just seem like he was standing for everything about America that he would have normally stood against. Though I could see Ult. Cap being a tool (obligatory Ult. Cap *****e joke here ) for the government's registration programme.

i think they just didn't know of each other that well. but they were appreciative of what was revealed about each other. so the show was getting to know each other rather than bouncing of each other.

I think that was it too. Though at least John Bishop at least was there to interject with a line or two, but that's what you expect from a comedian as a guest. Though I do love Bishop's kind of comedy.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The cool part about Civil War is the angle of superheroes fighting superheroes. The story of Civil War itself isn't anything spectacular, so if the right story gets us to that fun idea, it's not necessary. The Avengers seems to get these heroes kicking the **** out of each other, and since that's the entire angle that Civil War hinges on I don't see a real reason for bringing that to the movies.

And like everybody said-- Pro-Reg as villains, Anti-Reg as fools, and no moral sense of camaraderie prevailing (especially in a capper to the trilogy) will likely keep a direct adaptation from seeing the light of day, hopefully.

Not to mention we've already seen some superheroes go at each other (well some of us) in the Avengers and it's only fun to a certain extent. How many more inter-hero spats are we going to watch lead to stalemates or get interrupted so as one doesn't kill the other? That would get boring after a while. There's no drama in that and I can't imagine Marvel sacrificing a known comic mainstay for it.

Civil War is a messy concept best left for the comics.

 

[TheVileOne]

I dunno. Cap may seem like just as much of a natural fit. He's the truth, justice and freedom guy. 616 Cap at least seems like the sort of guy who would stand up to big government trying to invade people's personal freedoms and such.

With Iron Man I feel like there's an explanation to be had or some angle as to why he did it, but with Cap it would just seem like he was standing for everything about America that he would have normally stood against. Though I could see Ult. Cap being a tool (obligatory Ult. Cap *****e joke here ) for the government's registration programme.



I think that was it too. Though at least John Bishop at least was there to interject with a line or two, but that's what you expect from a comedian as a guest. Though I do love Bishop's kind of comedy.

Thing is, Captain America almost never shows partisan to politics generally. Not to mention constantly working with the government through the Avengers or with SHIELD.

 

[Chewy]

Not to mention we've already seen some superheroes go at each other (well some of us) in the Avengers and it's only fun to a certain extent. How many more inter-hero spats are we going to watch lead to stalemates or get interrupted so as one doesn't kill the other? That would get boring after a while. There's no drama in that and I can't imagine Marvel sacrificing a known comic mainstay for it.

Civil War is a messy concept best left for the comics.

Pretty much this.

 

[Kingdork]

New Avengers TV Spot from the Allocine, the French movie website.

Captain America centered
http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=19333269&cfilm=130440.html

Hulk centered
http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=19333272&cfilm=130440.html

Enjoy!