The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[DjCrenshaw]

Avengers was my favorite of the two. DOFP was an ok film, but I just didn't feel as entertained. I love the xmen and I really don't like having to pick between avengers and them, but I just want an xmen movie where they would of taken the sentinels on head on. I mean we will never know if the xmen could overcame the sentinels in atleast one fight. Furthermore, I didn't feel like this was an xmen movie, it was more of a prof x mystique and magneto the young and the old movie.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Avengers was my favorite of the two. DOFP was an ok film, but I just didn't feel as entertained. I love the xmen and I really don't like having to pick between avengers and them, but I just want an xmen movie where they would of taken the sentinels on head on. I mean we will never know if the xmen could overcame the sentinels in atleast one fight. Furthermore, I didn't feel like this was an xmen movie, it was more of a prof x mystique and magneto the young and the old movie.

They faced them twice and died. Sentinels were too big a threat, hence the time-travel mission.

 

[def28]

Would have much preferred to see some Sentinels the X-Men are actually capable of fighting. Anytime they attack with powers they basically contribute to their own death. Which cut out way too many options for decent fights and made the X-Men look like pretty terrible strategists imo.

I get the point of making it helpless, but there were otherways to go about that. Wasn't a fan of the choice at all or having to wait 14 friggen years to see them. Even having different models in the future would have made for some better action. Make one Nimrod model the unstoppable one, not all of them.

Plus we will likely never get Sentinels again till a reboot, and they should always have a place in the universe. Didn't even get to see them go on patrol prior to the already destoyed future. Shame.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah, I wanted 'Night of The Sentinels'
instead we got 'I, Robot' or some s**t

I will not be happy until I see Cyclops blast the head off a 50 ft tall sentinel

 

[Rock Sexton]

Would have much preferred to see some Sentinels the X-Men are actually capable of fighting. Anytime they attack with powers they basically contribute to their own death. Which cut out way too many options for decent fights and made the X-Men look like pretty terrible strategists imo.

I get the point of making it helpless, but there were otherways to go about that. Wasn't a fan of the choice at all or having to wait 14 friggen years to see them. Even having different models in the future would have made for some better action. Make one Nimrod model the unstoppable one, not all of them.

Plus we will likely never get Sentinels again till a reboot, and they should always have a place in the universe. Didn't even get to see them go on patrol prior to the already destoyed future. Shame.

I agree man. It was like they were indestructible simply because the movie told you they were and needed a reason for the time travel. That's what I didn't like about them. The X-Men's strategy against them was weak as hell too ..... came off very bumbling.

Not familiar with the comics, but did they always have that "Destroyer-esque" blast coming from their heads?

 

[def28]

Not familiar with the comics, but did they always have that "Destroyer-esque" blast coming from their heads?

Not that I can recall. Don't think I have ever seen that in the comics. Usually the energy blasts and disenegrators came through the palm or chest. They probably thought it was too similar with Iron Man, but I would not have cared. Those things in the film ended up looking like a dull mix of Gort and the Destroyer. There's a ton of better designs and options for weapons I thought they should have done. Should have had them talking or communicating in some form as well. Probably one of the weakest robot designs I've seen.

Instead of all the Sentinels using mutant powers I thought they should have adapted through countering in advanced ways with other built in weapons. Which I believe is how the MKII's worked. Then have Nimrod come in and adapt like the ones in the flick who were used from the experiments and just clean up shop.

I will not be happy until I see Cyclops blast the head off a 50 ft tall sentinel

Pretty much.

Adamantium Wolverine Vs A sentinel would have been nice. Figures, the one time they don't give him a good action scene....

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The comic version of DoFP is similar. The Sentinels just wipe the floor with the mutants whenever they encounter them. They obliterate characters like Wolverine, Storm, and Franklin Richards in seconds.

Frankly, I'm glad it is that way. The Sentinels should be this massive threat. Otherwise, why would they have to time travel to solve the problem. All too often in other stories and adaptations the X-Men can cut through them like they are made of butter. Then it would have the same big problem that the climax of The Avengers has. That the big villain army ends up just being a bunch of punchless cannon fodder that the heroes can slaughter at will. It really hurts the tension.

 

[def28]

And they still should still get owned. But this **** was just boring and it's not a 100% adapted 2 issue comic in any way.

If there are hundreds of Sentinels around, why not actually construct some decent fights for the mutants who actually stayed alive long enough not to be in one of those camps? Clearly they can fight worth a damn if they survived that long. That wasn't shown very well imo.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There were good fights. We had two of them in the film. Both of which were attempts to merely stall the Sentinels long enough (because the mutants have no chance of actually winning) for Kitty to change the past and get them out. They've been doing that for awhile (according to Xavier) which is how they have survived that long.

Otherwise they survived the same way the Resistance survived in World War II. By staying underground, never engaging their enemies directly, and using lots of distractions.

 

[def28]

There were good fights. We had two of them in the film. Both of which were attempts to merely stall the Sentinels long enough (because the mutants have no chance of actually winning) for Kitty to change the past and get them out. They've been doing that for awhile (according to Xavier) which is how they have survived that long.

Otherwise they survived the same way the Resistance survived in World War II. By staying underground, never engaging their enemies directly, and using lots of distractions.

Guess that's were I just disagree. Besides not liking the Senintles, thought the X team were fighting like newbies. Visually the only thing I found interesting or useful was the use of Blinks powers. Colossus straight out punching something he should know will just adapt and knock him out seemed a terrible choice to make. As did Sunspot just standing static waiting to get choked and Iceman just Ice sliding for the heck of it. Which I'm glad we finally saw but, he did nothing. The lack of communication also bothered me.

I get they are buying time but I would think they would be a bit more skilled in the ways they are trying to hold them off so Kitty would have time.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

How? The Sentinels adapt to everything. That's the point. Nothing they do will work, and they know this. Their only hope is if Kitty succeeds.

And given that it serves as the whole basis of the story, it works. Unlike The Avengers which ends in a Dues Ex Machina where all the villains just drop dead without warning when Tony blows up the mothership because...the movie was out of time, I guess. We are never given an explanation for why this happens to what otherwise seems to be an organic force.

 

[def28]

How? The Sentinels adapt to everything. That's the point. Nothing they do will work, and they know this. Their only hope is if Kitty succeeds.

How can they fight better? Well, for starters they can actually start talking to eachother. If a Sentinels frozen by Iceman then Signal Colossus to knock that thing down and shatter it to buy more time. Don't stand still waiting for death, use your strength to grab other objects etc. They could have had much better choreography.

I see nothing wrong with showing the X-Men's skills off in a more advanced way to make their death more earned.

 

[Zarex]

How? The Sentinels adapt to everything. That's the point. Nothing they do will work, and they know this. Their only hope is if Kitty succeeds.

And given that it serves as the whole basis of the story, it works. Unlike The Avengers which ends in a Dues Ex Machina where all the villains just drop dead without warning when Tony blows up the mothership because...the movie was out of time, I guess. We are never given an explanation for why this happens to what otherwise seems to be an organic force.

Given their skeletal appearance, I have long suspected that Thanos' Chituari army may not have been alive in the traditional sense. We may find out more this August.

And while the Avengers closing battle was a lot of fun, the film was pretty much over once Banner one-timed the Leviathan.

 

[First Avenger]

Well I still get tons of goosebumps whenever I see that final battle in Avengers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Given their skeletal appearance, I have long suspected that Thanos' Chituari army may not have been alive in the traditional sense. We may find out more this August.

And while the Avengers closing battle was a lot of fun, the film was pretty much over once Banner one-timed the Leviathan.

Obviously they were controlled by the mothership somehow, but it was still a copout that came out of nowhere.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

And don't get me wrong, the final New York fight in The Avengers was a lot of fun, like something straight out of the comics. But suspenseful it wasn't.

 

[def28]

Well I still get tons of goosebumps whenever I see that final battle in Avengers.

They nailed the teamwork aspect, it's straight out of the books. The pacing is also very well done. One of the most entertaining things I've seen on the screen.

 

[Rock Sexton]

How can they fight better? Well, for starters they can actually start talking to eachother. If a Sentinels frozen by Iceman then Signal Colossus to knock that thing down and shatter it to buy more time. Don't stand still waiting for death, use your strength to grab other objects etc. They could have had much better choreography.

I see nothing wrong with showing the X-Men's skills off in a more advanced way to make their death more earned.

Their idea of fighting was to take sentinels on individually and it seemed naive as hell because that's how they can have their powers isolated. The strategy should've revolved around Blink's powers and being able to double or triple team each sentinel. Unless of course they can somehow miraculously counteract the powers of 2-3 different X-Men at the same time.

 

[Lord]

And don't get me wrong, the final New York fight in The Avengers was a lot of fun, like something straight out of the comics. But suspenseful it wasn't.

Have to agree with this.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Have to agree with this.

Ya, it was more spectacle than suspenseful.

 

[BoredGuy]

Its true
but what ending is really all that suspenseful when you know all the good guys/main characters will survive??
DOFP, Avengers, Dark Knight, MoS, doesn't matter, there's no real suspense in any of their endings

The best in terms of that was probably X2, because Jean sacrificing herself was unexpected, emotional, and super f***in' heroic (even though there were probably better ways the x-men couldve handled that)

 

[Lord]

I disagree, i found the ones in other films you mentioned more suspenseful, even though i don't think MoS was very good, and i had grown a bit numb after all the destruction and action on screen. It's all about how you present your story, and even though Avengers had that quiet moment where Joss Whedon tries to show the team getting tired, i never felt any suspense whatsoever, i'm sure other people had a different reaction, but i myself think this was a weakness in the film, in least for me.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Right. I mean we are all pretty sure that the Death Star isn't going to blow up the Rebel Base. But because of the acting, how it is shot and edited, and just as importantly the score, it really sucks me into the story. I'm at the edge of my seat when Luke turns off his targeting computer while down to his last torpedo with Vader closing in on him. I didn't really get that with The Avengers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I have The Avengers ranked third among MCU films, behind IM1 and TWS.

 

[Legion]

The weaker Sentinel argument...this isn't the comics where these giant "killer" robots have their targets in their hands and squeeze them, but not hard enough to injure them let alone kill them.

In the film, once the Sentinels got their hands on you, you're dead. That's because they are programmed to kill. There's no remorse or hesitation. No opportunity to escape.

What we got was T1 and T2 caliber killers but what you wanted was T:Salvation-esque whiff-inators that conveniently allow opportunities to escape.

The Sentinels were a real threat and much more memorable than the aliens from the Avengers.