The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[CB Fan]

When I walked out of Avengers I couldn't wait to see it again, when I walked out of DOFP I could see myself waiting for the blu ray (even though I've seen it twice now). DOFP would win for me if the action was better but action and big spectacle are not Bryan Singers strong points. He did craft a kick ass Quicksilver scene though but the future action scenes were lacking. Now if this were a First Class vs Avengers thread I wouldn't even vote cause they were both high level.

 

[Bim]

I love X-Men: Days of Future Past. But there's no way it comes close to The Avengers for me.

 

[Visualiza]

Both are amazing movies and no one can argue that.

DOFP had a darker tone and a ton of emotion, yes. But those people saying Avengers didn't have emotion or drama seem to be forgetting a lot of the movie. Coulson's death, Loki's emotionless attempt to murder Thor, Natasha struggling with Barton's brainwashing, Stark sacrificing himself (surviving, yes) to save the world and never getting to talk to Pepper before. Avengers had drama and emotion. DOFP had more, stronger emotion, but Avengers had some as well.

Not to mention the Apocalypse stinger that DOFP had only existed because of the Avengers' Thanos tease.

Avengers was a better production, DOFP had a better tone.

Personally I give the edge to Avengers, by the slimmest of margins.

Truth.

I don't think DOFP was the drama bomb everyone else says it is.

Several claims are exaggerated sure, but overall I do think it was a very effective drama.

A lot to like from both movies, though; I can't imagine that there will be too many people unhappy with either.

 

[MarvelU]

In terms of story and performances, X-Men days of future past is superior to Avengers IMO. But I don't expect X-Men to win this one and there is no shame in that. What Avengers did by crossover was very fresh and unique and thus it kinda changed the genre a bit. Avengers was definitely a game changer.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think you said it when you called Avengers a game changer. You have Warner doing BvS, you have Sony trying to do the Sinister 6 thing, and you have Fox trying to restart the FF, and crossover with X-men. I doubt any of that happens if Avengers didn't come out and be the massive success that it was.

They are very different films, so I want to be careful comparing them, but the fact is that Joss just does ensemble films so much better than anyone else. DOFP is another installment of Wolverine and friends, and what was really sad is that Fassbender's Magneto really seemed to get shortcut.

Everyone in Avengers seems to get their moment to shine, and Hiddleston is just like the glue that holds the whole thing together.

 

[The Joker]

I couldn't disagree more. Fassbender's Magneto was one of the biggest most memorable characters in DOFP. He had more memorable scenes and moments than Wolverine did.

 

[BlackFox]

I think you said it when you called Avengers a game changer. You have Warner doing BvS, you have Sony trying to do the Sinister 6 thing, and you have Fox trying to restart the FF, and crossover with X-men. I doubt any of that happens if Avengers didn't come out and be the massive success that it was.

They are very different films, so I want to be careful comparing them, but the fact is that Joss just does ensemble films so much better than anyone else. DOFP is another installment of Wolverine and friends, and what was really sad is that Fassbender's Magneto really seemed to get shortcut.

Everyone in Avengers seems to get their moment to shine, and Hiddleston is just like the glue that holds the whole thing together.

And Avengers isnt Ironman and friends?

Hawkeye got fairly shortchanged too to be fair.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I think Avengers balanced its team well. **** Hawkeye.

 

[horacethegrey]

They are very different films, so I want to be careful comparing them, but the fact is that Joss just does ensemble films so much better than anyone else. DOFP is another installment of Wolverine and friends, and what was really sad is that Fassbender's Magneto really seemed to get shortcut.

Everyone in Avengers seems to get their moment to shine, and Hiddleston is just like the glue that holds the whole thing together.

Strongly disagree. If anything, it's McAvoy and Fassbender who carry the film. Jackman is only a supporting player who arguably is important to the plot. Jennifer Lawrence is also prevalent through much of the movie and has some heavy scenes.

 

[BlackFox]

I think Avengers balanced its team well. **** Hawkeye.

Well yeah if you want to just disregard some characters then yeah great "balancing"

 

[Raiden]

Both Avengers and DOFP are great films, but Avengers was the culmination of MCU pretty much from the get-go, whereas DOFP while amazing felt like an effort to recon the worst movies in the franchise, XMO and X3. Avengers got a smaller cast, but just about everyone had a chance to shine and received some development (even Hawkeye as the baddie first then redeemed himself in the finale). DOFP got many mutants showing off their cool powers, but too many of them were just throwaway characters and they disappeared without much fanfare, such as Warpath, Sunspot, and Blink. I love their action scenes, but they ended up as cardboard figures since we don't know anything about them, so unfortunately I didn't feel too badly about their fate later on.

So anyway, while I love both movies, I'd have to pick Avengers over DOFP when it's all said and done.

 

[Harley2004]

X-men

The Avengers, is all on the surface. It is too shallow to be better.

 

[First Avenger]

I just have to laugh everytime Avengers is called 'Iron man and friends'. And DOFP to me was not another Wolverine movie.At the end of the day I'm just grateful to have CMBs as good as these two.

 

[Rorschach2012]

DOFP is definitely in my top ten superhero flicks, but still doesn't top Avengers. Avengers will likely remain my number two superhero movie (behind TDK) until both Avengers 2/BvS come out

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I thought Avengers was extremely fun on the first couple viewings. Probably the most fun I've had watching a movie.

but now I can barely get through it. The shine wore off fast.

X-Men: Days of Future Past didn't blow me away, but I currently like it more The Avengers.

Who knows what I'll think of it after a couple viewings though.

 

[Lord]

I think you said it when you called Avengers a game changer. You have Warner doing BvS, you have Sony trying to do the Sinister 6 thing, and you have Fox trying to restart the FF, and crossover with X-men. I doubt any of that happens if Avengers didn't come out and be the massive success that it was.

They are very different films, so I want to be careful comparing them, but the fact is that Joss just does ensemble films so much better than anyone else. DOFP is another installment of Wolverine and friends, and what was really sad is that Fassbender's Magneto really seemed to get shortcut.

Everyone in Avengers seems to get their moment to shine, and Hiddleston is just like the glue that holds the whole thing together.

What? I knew somebody had to say something like this, even if it wasn't the case at all, if anything, McAvoy and Mystique got more focus than the Wolverine, who for once didn't outshine everybody else.

 

[DA_Champion]

What? I knew somebody had to say something like this, even if it wasn't the case at all, if anything, McAvoy and Mystique got more focus than the Wolverine, who for once didn't outshine everybody else.

Mystique had a very weak character arc in the film.

1) She wants to kill Trask.
2) Xavier nags her, and keeps nagging her.
3) So she chooses not to kill Trask.

It wasn't compelling unfortunately.

 

[The Endless]

Avengers is the very definition of a visceral rollercoaster thrill ride. It's pretty much the only cinema experience i've had where the audience is cheering and shouting and laughing along.

DoFP is a bit more subdued. Although I think it's emotionally more resonant. The plot is more complex. It also has a great sense of humour, which was surprising.

And the idea that Avengers did some of it's characters a disservice and DoFP didn't is pretty laughable. Colossus, Warpath, Blink, Storm, Iceman, Bishop, Sunspot... they're all just card board cut outs with super powers. They have like, 20 lines of dialogue between all of them. The sequence when they all die at the end is really well done. But even then, i didn't give a **** about any of them. Why should i? Even Quicksilver is basically a plot device. With a fun personality and awesome display of powers for sure though.

That said both films get a solid 8/10 from me. I like them a lot.

 

[DA_Champion]

It is, but i don't remember it being such a big deal or causing that much destruction, Magneto simply brought the stadium from one place to the other, i don't remember him destroying buildings or obliterating many miles or turning them into ash.

One of the storytelling "advances" of First Class is that they didn't destroy a city in the climax, the struggle was over Eric's soul and human-mutant relations. It was more personal and meaningful. The climax of DoFP was a step backwards.

It's a movie, i know this isn't a good excuse, but i don't need to see Magneto's constant trial and error in making the Sentinels work, remember that he was even studying their designs before he aproached mystique, it's reasonable to think that he studied how they worked in order to control them from the inside.

It just makes absolutely no sense, that's problematic. I thought he was destroying the Sentinels, because it would make sense for him to reprogram. When they turned out to be reprogrammed, I was thinking, "WTF?"

That has nothing to do with this, North Korea is a single country, mutants are multiple individuals throughout the world. And it's not as if we were told that Humans never feared Mutants again, in fact, the catalyst in the original Trilogy ended up happening decades before they would. Now they're having trouble with mutants since that time.

Well look at how the US government treats left-wing activists, Muslims, Blacks, for the most part (i.e. vast majority) those communities are peaceful law-abiding citizens, yet the government has tremendously expensive mechanisms in place to monitor and contain them.

 

[ares834]

DoFP for me (which came as a huge surprise to me). I find that it has a more interesting plot and far more compelling characters than the Avengers.

Avengers was definitely a more "fun" experience the first time I saw it though. The first time we see the entire team assembled is pretty much euphoric. Unfortunately, it doesn't hold up quite as well on repeat viewings. Still a great film though.

 

[OcStat]

I think Magneto reprogramming the Sentinels is a little more frightening than him just destroying them. They were built to kill his race and he just turned them on their makers without breaking a sweat. That's straight out of Ultimate X-Men's first arc.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think Magneto reprogramming the Sentinels is a little more frightening than him just destroying them. They were built to kill his race and he just turned them on their makers without breaking a sweat. That's straight out of Ultimate X-Men's first arc.

He reprogrammed them by wrapping them with metallic rods. Try reprogramming anything that way.

It's more frightening if it's earned and makes sense.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Mystique had a very weak character arc in the film.

1) She wants to kill Trask.
2) Xavier nags her, and keeps nagging her.
3) So she chooses not to kill Trask.

It wasn't compelling unfortunately.

Agreed.

The framing story is interesting, as is the time-travel intrigue, but the core 70's story isn't that well done both from a plot and character pov. There's no real catharsis for the core Xavier/Magneto/Mystique story, but rather only for the Wolverine story surprisingly (though Wolvy doesn't really have the appropriate character story beforehand making the ending feel a little bit out of place in the character's overall franchise arc).

Still better than Avengers though...

 

[Bwahaha!]

Almost a tie but Avengers wins by a hair. Love them both!

 

[Bwahaha!]

He reprogrammed them by wrapping them with metallic rods. Try reprogramming anything that way.

It's more frightening if it's earned and makes sense.

I just figured Magneto controlled the sentinels by manipulating the metallic rods. Not truly reprogramming.