Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[KillerMcQueen]

I don't see the point you're making. I don't think there was anything about Young Justice that couldn't appeal to a younger audience.

I blame overprotective parents.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I don't see the point you're making. I don't think there was anything about Young Justice that couldn't appeal to a younger audience.

it's about money. that's always the point. it's my last sentence.

plus it was too serious. look how well teen titans go or ultimate spiderman are doing and think about how serious they aren't in comparison to their predecessors

 

[Nathan]

I blame the new ADD generation. Kids nowadays don't appreciate good cartoons with exciting stories. That's why after Spectacular Spider-Man, we got Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Sub-Zero]

barry allen, eh? he's the flash, you say?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I blame the new ADD generation. Kids nowadays don't appreciate good cartoons with exciting stories. That's why after Spectacular Spider-Man, we got Ultimate Spider-Man.

I'm so annoyed by the USM cartoon, especially since I loved the actual USM comics.

 

[king666]

How many times it has been said that what works in the comics doesn't necessarily works on live action, Arrow would not be this good if it was like the comics. Anyway, like some have said, the Flash will be lighter, he's not going to kill criminals like Arrow and should have more humor of course, but is not going to be too comic-booky either:

What works for one character might not work for another ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Loki882]

it's about money. that's always the point. it's my last sentence.

plus it was too serious. look how well teen titans go or ultimate spiderman are doing and think about how serious they aren't in comparison to their predecessors[/QUOTE
No, the ratings suffered because Cartoon Network kept taking it off the air at the last second, putting it on hiatus for months with no explanation whatsoever, and then bringing it back with little to no promotion or buildup. They did this like four of five different times. It's no wonder the ratings suffered, the audience got tired of being jerked around by the network.

 

[godisawesome]

The issue with Young Justice is that it was a great show with $#!+ merchandise, and since it's high production values and tone were expensive, it's cheaper to replace it with reusable animation and more...questionable writing. Cartoon Network's become less about good cartoons, per se, and more about cheap, dependable cartoons that require only basic skill to keep up and running.

It was obviously good enough to get a second season almost right off the bat, but somewhere a numbers cruncher decided it wasn't moving enough toys. Which I blame on the toy designers lacking imagination. BTAS merch had so much variety and advertising you'd end up with a small army of different Batmen. But Young Justice was kind of dull and ill-advertised.

Which is why the future for serious superhero stories probably belongs to live action shows. A manageable budget can attract the same audience as a high price cartoon, including the kids, but with a much greater appeal to that coveted 20-30 demographic. So Flash, the live action series, has a better chance than Flash: the Animated series. Mostly because the last ten years of movies and Arrow have illustrated how to approach the subject matter: make the conflicts engaging and the characters complex, and you've got a handy dandy mythology show set in the present day with a built in fanbase that will do half your advertising for you, and throw in a little fan service and get the "shallow" kids to watch and pay attention. Boom! Success!

 

[Loki882]

As for the villains thing, if the GA accepted the Joker TWICE, Red Skull, Abomination, Riddler, Two Face, Catwoman, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Loki, etc, then I'm not seeing how Flash's rogues are somehow too ridiculous to be accepted as well.

 

[Loki882]

The issue with Young Justice is that it was a great show with $#!+ merchandise, and since it's high production values and tone were expensive, it's cheaper to replace it with reusable animation and more...questionable writing. Cartoon Network's become less about good cartoons, per se, and more about cheap, dependable cartoons that require only basic skill to keep up and running.

It was obviously good enough to get a second season almost right off the bat, but somewhere a numbers cruncher decided it wasn't moving enough toys. Which I blame on the toy designers lacking imagination. BTAS merch had so much variety and advertising you'd end up with a small army of different Batmen. But Young Justice was kind of dull and ill-advertised.

Which is why the future for serious superhero stories probably belongs to live action shows. A manageable budget can attract the same audience as a high price cartoon, including the kids, but with a much greater appeal to that coveted 20-30 demographic. So Flash, the live action series, has a better chance than Flash: the Animated series. Mostly because the last ten years of movies and Arrow have illustrated how to approach the subject matter: make the conflicts engaging and the characters complex, and you've got a handy dandy mythology show set in the present day with a built in fanbase that will do half your advertising for you, and throw in a little fan service and get the "shallow" kids to watch and pay attention. Boom! Success!

I don't recall there being many YJ toys, or GL TAS toys for that matter. And to one's that were released weren't very good and there was almost no marketing for them.

 

[godisawesome]

BTAS toys were always advertised attacking each other and released in waves with all kinds of suits that didn't show up in the show. And it worked, like TMNT toys did. Kids like me went ballistic off a commercial suggesting some kind of violence, shooting ability, or customization and a wall full of options.

Now, what do you guys think should be the catalyst for the bad guys' powers and weapons? The reactor thing that gave Barry his powers? Abra Kadabra handing out future tech for giggles? Intergang working for some mysterious and scary as hell shadow benefactor?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

BTAS toys were always advertised attacking each other and released in waves with all kinds of suits that didn't show up in the show. And it worked, like TMNT toys did. Kids like me went ballistic off a commercial suggesting some kind of violence, shooting ability, or customization and a wall full of options.

Now, what do you guys think should be the catalyst for the bad guys' powers and weapons? The reactor thing that gave Barry his powers? Abra Kadabra handing out future tech for giggles? Intergang working for some mysterious and scary as hell shadow benefactor?

How about all of them? I wouldn't want one thing to give ALL the villains powers a la SV.

 

[Nathan]

As for the villains thing, if the GA accepted the Joker TWICE, Red Skull, Abomination, Riddler, Two Face, Catwoman, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Loki, etc, then I'm not seeing how Flash's rogues are somehow too ridiculous to be accepted as well.

None of them are called Captain or use Boomerangs.

 

[Sawyer]

Why is "Captain" a problem all of a sudden?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Why is "Captain" a problem all of a sudden?

I do not know.

 

[DrDoom]

Agreed, not like "Captain" America was an actual Captain in the military

 

[Loki882]

Agreed, not like "Captain" America was an actual Captain in the military

Actually he was. He's referred to as "Captain Rogers" repeatedly by multiple characters. On the other hand, Billy Batson isn't in the military as far as I know and he's called Captain Marvel, or was until very recently.

 

[Boy Scout]

How would some of you try to adapt his villains? Look wise that is. I'd go with the theme of evolution, like in Arrow, so I wouldn't have the villains immediately start out in costumes. But putting them into something, that give nods to their comic look.

I'd be fine with that.

When he gets caught, sees Flash in costume, and decides he's gonna be part of the game, he could design something that moves closer to what he wears in the comics. When the question comes up why he is using that horrid color scheme, the explanation is because he wants to be easily identifiable and have eyes on him, since his shtick is to confuse people with projections of himself.

Sounds good.

That's what they will probably do, and change some of the cheesy names, Captain Cold is just dumb, just call him Cold, Capt. Boomerang... just forget about him, he's just lame. Is not going to be that easy to adapt some of these characters, so good luck to them.

I think what they'll do is have Barry name everyone. I can see him giving all of his enemies ridiculous names that he thinks sound menacing, but really aren't. It would make for a great running gag.

Agreed on Cold. What exactly makes him a Captain? It's just odd to choose that as a villain name.

I guess. I don't think it's a big deal. They could explain it by saying that he thinks it sounds cool or that he doesn't take himself seriously enough to try and make himself look more hardcore than he really is.

Well, they already said they would put the villains through their classic grounding lense. So I wouldn't count on them being as ridiculous and self-aware as they are in the comics.

Actually, I think them being aware of how ridiculous they are/look would do a lot to ground the series.

Guy dressed in a dark blue costume robs several banks, people call him Cold because of his powers. See? Much better!

That would be like calling Oliver "Sharp".

no captains. nuff said. i say no "The" either. he's just "flash" now.

Why? They call Oliver "the Hood", "the vigilante", and "the Arrow".

I hope the show will explore the villain side of things. If thanks to the Flash being so overpowered, we get villains working together to occupy him, we need places where they hang out. So we definitely should get a villain bar. A Doctor that treats wounded villains. And a tailor that fixes suits and makes new ones for the next freak in town.

And humanize them, make them different from the murderous thugs Arrow deals with. They should be your typical down on their luck crooks, who use their powers for crime, but try to avoid killing people.

 

[Nathan]

I think what they'll do is have Barry name everyone. I can see him giving all of his enemies ridiculous names that he thinks sound menacing, but really aren't. It would make for a great running gag.

That's actually a really awesome idea. And it would really be hilarious with the villains being annoyed having been given these lame names, which are now used in all media outlets.

 

[Boy Scout]

Thanks. t: It's just so easy for me to imagine him doing that!

 

[DrDoom]

Damn, now I'm gonna be dissapointed if they dont do that

 

[Nathan]

Thanks. t: It's just so easy for me to imagine him doing that!

Now I really want a scene where Captain Cold, who's just been dubbed that by the Flash in the news, enters the bar and everyone inside raises their glasses and shout "Eeeyyy!!! Captain!!!". And he just yells "Shut up!".

 

[Rorschach2012]

Anyone that thinks Young Justice wasn't specifically made for kids is delusional. The reason I couldn't get into that show is because of how damn childish it is.

Just because the show has serious moments doesn't mean it isn't a kids show. It is very clearly aimed at children. Shows like JL/JLU, STAS, and BTAS were a lot more adult oriented and they all lasted longer. Kids can get into more mature cartoons like in the Timmverse. The reason Young Justice didn't end up as successful isn't because of the maturity level. It's because of the quality of the content. It pales in comparison to the Timmverse. The stories IMO weren't engaging, and that's coming from a hardcore Teen Titans/Robin fan. Honestly, Robin is my favorite DC character, but I still couldn't sit through all of Young Justice.

They did a lot of things right on that show, but it wasn't perfect. I liked the tone for the most part, and the characterizations, but the overarching story was boring as hell to me.

They really should've looked at known Teen Titans/Young Justice stories for inspiration instead of creating their own overarching storyline. Their idea for the storyline did not work at all

 

[Sawyer]

lol wut

 

[Boy Scout]

I can only assume that he hasn't actually seen YJ.