Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[regnak]

**** this.

the love of Barry's life sure isn't his step-sister.

Whatever.

Yes that is kind of creepy. Not as bad as these Queencest people but it's still creepy.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think it's okay if they're kind of just around each other like, say, Bruce and Rachel from Begins... but yeah, if Barry starts calling Detective West "dad" then we have a problem.

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, just like they modeled Oliver Queen on Nolan's Bruce Wayne. A lot. It seems to work though. Once you accept the aping (or pretend it isn't there) Arrow is kinda awesome. It does justice to those archetypes, and twists them and improves them sufficiently.

Because God knows no one has ever drawn parallels between Bruce and Ollie before.

 

[cleverusername8]

**** this.

Iris is a tv reporter. Her dad was never a detective. She isn't black, and the love of Barry's life sure isn't his step-sister.

Whatever.

Still better than the current JLA rumors:

(JLA: That's JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA, NOT UNITED NATIONS, btw)

Oh my gosh. "Minoriteam" had me rolling.

Where did the step-sister thing come in? I feel like I'm a whirlwind of missed information. I can learn to live with the race swap, but the step-sister is going to be hard to accept especially if they end up dating. Yes, it's not a blood relationship, but it's still weird.

As far as the actively seeking thing goes, I think it's silly and pointless regardless of the race involved unless, like I said, the race has some relevance like which country the character comes from. If they're American, there really shouldn't be a tied down race unless if the character has some personal tie to that racial identity.

I understand that looks play a much bigger part in casting than some people would like, but narrowing casting pool to suit it is uncalled for in my opinion. I'd take ability over look any day (within reason. I wouldn't be ok with Rosie O'Donnell playing Barry even if she killed it in the role, for example.).

 

[king666]

Ugh. **** this step-sister thing.

 

[Loki882]

Where did this idea even come from?

 

[DrDoom]

Yes that is kind of creepy. Not as bad as these Queencest people but it's still creepy.

Since Thea is only Ollie's HALF sister then it's only HALF as creepy

And what step-sister thing are y'all talking about?

 

[Crossvale]

since thea is only ollie's half sister then it's only half as creepy

lol

 

[Boy Scout]

And what step-sister thing are y'all talking about?

Yeah, I don't know where that came from.

 

[regnak]

Yeah, I don't know where that came from.

The West family took Barry in after his father went to jail. So Iris has been effectively his step sister for 10-15 years.

 

[Boy Scout]

Not to be a bother, but where did you see that information?

 

[regnak]

I found it on CBR and they got it from here:

http://www.bludhavenbanter.com/2013/12/flash-scoop-major-character-change.html

IRIS - 22-28 - African-American - As smart as she is beautiful, Iris is in grad school studying psychology. She's also Barry's mile a minute, fast-talking, quick-witted best friend. Her father, Detective West, took in Barry when his mother was murdered, and his father was wrongly accused and imprisoned for her murder. In a tough childhood for Barry, she was the one "not tough" thing. She's unaware of Barry's strong feelings for her.
DETECTIVE WEST - Late 40s to Early 50s - African American -Detective West is an honest, blue-collar cop who's seen it all. A soulful, funny caring father to Iris, and a surrogate father to Barry, West came up through the foster system himself. He took in Barry after his mother's murder and his father's imprisonment. He believes in Barry and supports Barry's efforts to prove his father's innocence.

and it is no problem.
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[Boy Scout]

Thank you! I appreciate it!

Yeah, I'll take that information with a grain of salt for now. I've never heard of that site before, and the information would probably be more widespread if it were true.

 

[Loki882]

Ah, that's not really the same thing as being a "step-sister" and not nearly as creepy either. Besides, it specifically refers to her as being Barry's best friend. Iris studying psychology is an interesting idea.

 

[mkilban2]

That's not being a step sibling at all. That's living with another family who happens to be a girl that he falls in love with or whatever. No idea about Flash history so idk who she is.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I found it on CBR and they got it from here:

http://www.bludhavenbanter.com/2013/12/flash-scoop-major-character-change.html

IRIS - 22-28 - African-American - As smart as she is beautiful, Iris is in grad school studying psychology. She's also Barry's mile a minute, fast-talking, quick-witted best friend. Her father, Detective West, took in Barry when his mother was murdered, and his father was wrongly accused and imprisoned for her murder. In a tough childhood for Barry, she was the one "not tough" thing. She's unaware of Barry's strong feelings for her.
DETECTIVE WEST - Late 40s to Early 50s - African American -Detective West is an honest, blue-collar cop who's seen it all. A soulful, funny caring father to Iris, and a surrogate father to Barry, West came up through the foster system himself. He took in Barry after his mother's murder and his father's imprisonment. He believes in Barry and supports Barry's efforts to prove his father's innocence.

and it is no problem.
​

that source strikes me as iffy to say the least.

 

[regnak]

that source strikes me as iffy to say the least.

I hope it's wrong but the pessimist in me fears it is right.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

I hope it's wrong, once again, it brings up a problem, you say anything about this, you come off as a racist, but why do they insist, btw the rumors on Fantastic Four, and this, on making characters that are white in the comics african-american? This PC bullcrap is getting really annoying. Sigh.......

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, I'm not shying away. I want my white heroes white, and my black heroes black. I don't mind if you introduce new characters that take up the mantle of classic heroes, like Miles Morales did in Ultimate Spider-Man. But I wouldn't be ok with a black Peter Parker. Or Wally West for this matter.

 

[cleverusername8]

I hope it's wrong, once again, it brings up a problem, you say anything about this, you come off as a racist, but why do they insist, btw the rumors on Fantastic Four, and this, on making characters that are white in the comics african-american? This PC bullcrap is getting really annoying. Sigh.......

In one of the articles I stumbled across about this very rumor, the writer put it this way - the times when these characters were created and mostly used was before Civil Rights had really hit its stride and that it was frowned upon to have major minority characters in regularly published material.

Nowadays, they're trying to put things in "the modern perspective" by recreating these characters with "bias mode turned off" and introducing more diversity to the attributes of comic book characters.

I didn't articulate it as well as the article, but in my perspective they are taking this the wrong way.

It's true that these characters were created in a time when minorities were still treated poorly and underrepresented in media, however, if they want to turn that around, why not create new, original characters of different races rather than change the existing characters? Like Julio Mendez in the old Flash TV series. I think that's the perfect example of an original minority character that worked well when inserted into the comic book world of an existing character.

If the lack of minority heroes is the issue, why not create a new superhero to stand beside the title character? For Fantastic Four, this may be trickier than it was to insert Falcon into Captain America or War Machine into Iron Man, but they could figure something out. I don't see it as necessary to change existing characters when it could work just as well to create a new one.

 

[Nathan]

Guess they think it's easier just to take a existing popular character, and just give them a skin change. They basically don't want to put too much effort into it.

 

[Shikamaru]

So any fears they'll be aping Spider-Man in the same way Arrow was aping Batman?

 

[Sawyer]

...... no, not really.

 

[Shikamaru]

Not that I believe that. But I heard a few people bring that up.

 

[mkilban2]

Race doesn't bother me because I'm not attached to any of these characters like most who usually have a problem are. Just give me the best actor for the role. Eve doesn't change who the character is, outside of certain specific characters.