The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Mindreaper21]

I really hope to see Martínez in the next film. He was a surprising delight to see and I loved his development.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

I really hope to see Martínez in the next film. He was a surprising delight to see and I loved his development.

He is freaking adorable and a gem and nothing bad better ever happen to him in the next two films or WE WILL RIOT.

 

[Boom]

"It's a tucker."

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Okay, folks - grab your oven mitts because I've got some hot takes, here.

My lasting issue with The Batman is that it doesn't let me have much of a reason to care about its characters in any meaningful way. Yes, it's great that this film focuses on Batman/Bruce Wayne centrally - but it doesn't do all that much with him as a character. He hardly talks.

I used to always hear that Batman is the least interesting character in his films thus that's why filmmakers focus on his villains. This should be the film I can point to to disprove that assertion - and I don't know that I can, yet.

And because Bruce/Batman give me very little 'character' and depth to latch onto - it's hard to connect with him.

This goes for the other characters in the film.

I know zilch about Gordon or Alfred or most other characters outside of the scenes they act in.

That's going to be something that bugs me about this film.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Here's another hot take - many of this film's lines and dialogue beats read like one of those A.I. bots read Batman scripts/graphic novels and made a script.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Dano's little laugh and "You tell me!" is my favourite line delivery of his in the whole film.

So. Very. Riddler.

More of that if he's in the next two films, please?

 

[Captain Tired]

OnLeatherWings, have you had any positive revelations about the movie since you first saw it?

 

[Gold Samurai]

It's funny to look back at speculation about what year this movie would take place in/world aesthetics. It was more or less in 2020-2021(Due to the movie getting delayed i'm betting 2020)

Penguin drives a Masarati

Riddler had twitch or something like it

Yet there's a old phone at Wayne Tower that Doris picked up

 

[OnLeatherWings]

OnLeatherWings, have you had any positive revelations about the movie since you first saw it?

I've seen it 4 times. I do love the film.

But there's not a whole lot to add when everyone is praising everything - I don't feel I've much to add, there.

I really enjoy putting things under a microscope and finding what doesn't work, generally.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Yet there's a old phone at Wayne Tower that Doris picked up

Bruce Wayne in the John Wick universe confirmed.

Also, Doris should've been named Harriet.

 

[JackWhite]

OK, here's something that's been bugging me about the film:

When Batman goes ham in the Iceberg lounge, one of the twins shoots him in the back. Batman turns around and uses his grapnel gun to trip the twin that doesn't have the shotgun in his hands. So the twin that shot him could have very well shot him in the face the second time. Am I the only one who caught that?

 

[Captain Tired]

I've seen it 4 times. I do love the film.

But there's not a whole lot to add when everyone is praising everything - I don't feel I've much to add, there.

I really enjoy putting things under a microscope and finding what doesn't work, generally.

Fair enough and I see your point. I have a similar philosophy when it comes to the Nolan films, too. So much so that I sometimes worry that I seem disingenuous when I go the other route and actually praise them.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Fair enough and I see your point. I have a similar philosophy when it comes to the Nolan films, too. So much so that I sometimes worry that I seem disingenuous when I go the other route and actually praise them.

At least you lot here can actually talk about negatives alongside positives without offense or piling on angrily.

On r/thebatmanfilm - you get downvoted into oblivion for the most minor word of non-praise and the words "flawless"/"masterpiece" are used infinitely.

The things some fans praise this film for are just like...really? Batman "moves his hands better" in this film than he did in Nolan's and Burton's? Friggin' seriously?

(Yes, I read that a few days post-release. People upvoted it. I'll have to find it for a screenshot.)

 

[Lando81]

OK, here's something that's been bugging me about the film:

When Batman goes ham in the Iceberg lounge, one of the twins shoots him in the back. Batman turns around and uses his grapnel gun to trip the twin that doesn't have the shotgun in his hands. So the twin that shot him could have very well shot him in the face the second time. Am I the only one who caught that?

Nope. Penguin is standing directly behind Batman after that point so they're obviously not going to shoot in the direction of their boss....

 

[JackWhite]

Nope. Penguin is standing directly behind Batman after that point so they're obviously not going to shoot in the direction of their boss....

Haha alright. That makes me feel better.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

As Bruce drives to the memorial ceremony - we see some Riddler supporters by the side of the road and he observes them.

I really wish the film expanded on this more because we don't see much else about how the citizens and people of Gotham feel about anything, much less who those supporters are.

It's almost like they had a remnant of a former version of the film where Riddler started a social movement in a way with the common folk, but in the film he has 500 followers and a dozen goons - and not much else.

Just would've liked to see more about those citizens Bruce saw, what the city thought about what's being revealed, etc.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Maybe I'm just seeing things - but when I've watched the film again, I feel like when Batman sees his father's speech on the projector, for a second or so there when the camera cuts to Batman when Thomas says "Win, or lose" - Batman barely mouths those three words and his head moves with the speech pattern of Thomas as if he's reciting the speech in his head, too.

As if he's watched that clip hundreds of times.

Like a little moment of showing how he believed in his dad.

 

[Kane52630]

Okay, folks - grab your oven mitts because I've got some hot takes, here.

My lasting issue with The Batman is that it doesn't let me have much of a reason to care about its characters in any meaningful way. Yes, it's great that this film focuses on Batman/Bruce Wayne centrally - but it doesn't do all that much with him as a character. He hardly talks.

I used to always hear that Batman is the least interesting character in his films thus that's why filmmakers focus on his villains. This should be the film I can point to to disprove that assertion - and I don't know that I can, yet.

And because Bruce/Batman give me very little 'character' and depth to latch onto - it's hard to connect with him.

This goes for the other characters in the film.

I know zilch about Gordon or Alfred or most other characters outside of the scenes they act in.

That's going to be something that bugs me about this film.

It's actually refreshing that your main character emote more than they actually speak or dump exposition in a superhero movie and since it's a crime noir film, it comes with the territory. Look at William Petersen in Manhunter. It's definitely what Pattinson was going for.

 

[Sharkboy]

It's actually refreshing that your main character emote more than they actually speak or dump exposition in a superhero movie and since it's a crime noir film, it comes with the territory. Look at William Petersen in Manhunter. It's definitely what Pattinson was going for.

god I freaking love manhunter.

and yes OnLeatherWings, I’m like that with TDK, there’s only so much positive I can say about that film (which is solidly in my top 10 films of all time) it’s just more interesting to nitpick it to death and focus on the things that could have been done better.

 

[Captain Tired]

Hot take but Manhunter is honestly the only Hannibal film I have any time for.

Well I also enjoyed Ridley Scott's Hannibal, but I'd never pretend that's a great film. Though it is slightly underrated.

 

[Rod]

Some scenes I noticed were prolly deleted but were seen in test screenings:

1) "Red room": placed somewhere in the beginning of the film, the first actual scene of Batman would be his suiting up. Bruce going inside a red room (that is the biggest aesthetic motif of the movie) where the batsuit is stored and we would slowly witness his undergo into an state of "mental trance" as he transitions to the mental persona of Batman

Not sure why they cut it, but this would be actually quite cool. Maybe an ESRB thing. Reports from the screenings regarding this scene were nice. Curiously, this reminds of a scene Keaton always wanted to include in the 89 movie, where it exactly depicted Bruce going a mental trance as he prepared for Batman patrol.

2) "Penguin": this scene was described as a touch of "dark humor", despite the violence, in the vein of Joker (2019). Penguin does not fully accept the nickname - in that scene one mob would be having a joking conversation to which would inadvertedly mention Oz scars and call him Penguin - Oz would then pick up a gun and use it to viciously beat the mob to a bloody pulp killing him

3)"Edward's childhood": this scene (or sequence of scenes, apparently) would depict Edward's childhood in the orphanage. Nashton was always very fond of crosswords and puzzles - he cherished them more than being around other kids. So much so he started being bullied by them given his developed obsession. As time passes he'd be one of the only ones to make something out of his life, what would cause him to become idolised by some of the others. These others also ended becoming his goons.

4) "Batmobile's real meaning": part of the batmobile would been revealed as have been constructed over Thomas' favorite car. It was the car Thomas used the first time he ever met Martha - the reason as to why it was his most cherished.

5) "Batman consults Joker" as per already described by Reeves.


These are some I got

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I also prefer manhunter to silence of the lambs. Less overdramatic.

 

[The Batman]

and yes OnLeatherWings, I’m like that with TDK, there’s only so much positive I can say about that film (which is solidly in my top 10 films of all time) it’s just more interesting to nitpick it to death and focus on the things that could have been done better.

Not talking about you in particular, but from my perspective as someone who reads these types of posts, the people who often nitpick one type of Batfilm to death have another version of Batman they like or even prefer, and they never seem to apply the same level of scrutiny there. So, often, these types just come off as biased more than anything else, IMO.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Whenever I watch the part at the subway where the gang members hear footsteps as they eye a dark hallway, I always imagine this guy walking out instead -

 

[Gothamsknight]

Not talking about you in particular, but from my perspective as someone who reads these types of posts, the people who often nitpick one type of Batfilm to death have another version of Batman they like or even prefer, and they never seem to apply the same level of scrutiny there. So, often, these types just come off as biased more than anything else, IMO.

This is essentially CBM twitter in a nutshell. I sense jealousy from certain groups of fans when a specific version got more praise than the one they prefer. The more they post, the more blatantly obvious it becomes.