The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Sharkboy]

Not talking about you in particular, but from my perspective as someone who reads these types of posts, the people who often nitpick one type of Batfilm to death have another version of Batman they like or even prefer, and they never seem to apply the same level of scrutiny there. So, often, these types just come off as biased more than anything else, IMO.

It's the new film smell, what can I say, I'm expecting to nitpick The Batman to death massively in a few years time, doesn't mean (or maybe it could) I wont still love it to pieces. I do understand what OnLeatherWings is getting at though (unless im reading him wrong) there's only so much I can say that isn't constantly said on here.

 

[VonRomberg]

It's the new film smell, what can I say, I'm expecting to nitpick The Batman to death massively in a few years time, doesn't mean (or maybe it could) I wont still love it to pieces. I do understand what OnLeatherWings is getting at though (unless im reading him wrong) there's only so much I can say that isn't constantly said on here.

The logic of “All the good things have been said so I’ll rather say new negative things than repeat positive things” is one of the wildest outlooks I’ve seen on the Hype, gotta be honest.

 

[Captain Tired]

I just look at it as a case of trying to provide some measure of balance and not let the place become even more of an echo chamber than it already is.

 

[VonRomberg]

I almost get that but I feel like a generally positive echo chamber is preferable to borderline inventing and exaggerating “negatives” just to have something new to say.

Negativity + novelty > Positivity + repetition just seems odd to me.

 

[Captain Tired]

Well obviously we're only talking in the sense of genuinely felt criticisms and not ones that have just been invented out of the blue.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I just look at it as a case of trying to provide some measure of balance and not let the place become even more of an echo chamber than it already is.

bro most of the discourse I see in here is negative

Sure people praise the film here, but they just praise it and that's it. When people don't, it gets debated until the end of time. This isn't a bad thing, mind, but I think saying this is an echo chamber is fairly inaccurate lmao

 

[Captain Tired]

bro most of the discourse I see in here is negative

Sure people praise the film here, but they just praise it and that's it. When people don't, it gets debated until the end of time. This isn't a bad thing, mind, but I think saying this is an echo chamber is fairly inaccurate lmao

I was talking in general, not just in relation to The Batman specifically.

Though it's worth bearing in mind that your perspective that most of the discourse on here is negative, is just that: your perspective. It's not objective fact that that's the case. To be honest I see more people in here talking about the Nolan films than The Batman. Every time I randomly pop into a thread, someone's brought up those movies again and reminiscing about 'the good old days.' But that's just my perspective.

 

[Brotherhood]

So I've been thinking more about the inclusion of Joker and think his inclusion is perfect for the possible route and arc Reeves can take Bruce/Batman on, especially if they get that dynamic right. I imagine something like what was explored in the Arkham games.

 

[VonRomberg]

So I've been thinking more about the inclusion of Joker and think his inclusion is perfect for the possible route and arc Reeves can take Bruce/Batman on, especially if they get that dynamic right. I imagine something like what was explored in the Arkham games.

It’s interesting how the end of the film sets up something that closely approximates the Arkham games. I almost wonder if that isn’t what they’ve got in mind for the Arkham series; to set up something like Arkham City for the sequel.

That’s how I’d do it, anyways. Use the Arkham series to show how the Asylum pretty much falls apart and into criminal hands as a result of the Riddler’s bombs and perhaps even introduce the Joker there, and build up some hype for his first actual meeting with Batman in the follow up movie.

 

[Brotherhood]

It’s interesting how the end of the film sets up something that closely approximates the Arkham games. I almost wonder if that isn’t what they’ve got in mind for the Arkham series; to set up something like Arkham City for the sequel.

That’s how I’d do it, anyways. Use the Arkham series to show how the Asylum pretty much falls apart and into criminal hands as a result of the Riddler’s bombs and perhaps even introduce the Joker there, and build up some hype for his first actual meeting with Batman in the follow up movie.

I would be very on board with that. I loved what they did with the Joker in the Arkham games. I've said this before but I'd also love to see them take a stab at the Mad Love storyline with the Arkham series, and really take their time developing Harleen before she becomes Harley as we know her, which would make sense if they do go down the Arkham Origins route.

 

[VonRomberg]

I would be very on board with that. I loved what they did with the Joker in the Arkham games. I've said this before but I'd also love to see them take a stab at the Mad Love storyline with the Arkham series, and really take their time developing Harleen before she becomes Harley as we know her, which would make sense if they do go down the Arkham Origins route.

It would be a very brave approach. I’m kind of on the fence about it because I feel like if they go that route people will want his Joker portrayal to mirror the Arkham Joker’s take, which is tough to follow and a bit over exposed. I’d love for Arkham to be the setting and some of the beats of the Arkham trilogy to be incorporated, but I also hope Reeves takes a few risks.

I’d like to see Joker be the champion for the people in Arkham. A psychotically unhinged murderer, but in a sense someone who also wants to represent those he thinks are similar to him; people society discards or finds inconvenient. I’d like to see any approach that deviates from Ledger/Phoenix/Arkham Hamill’s takes just for novelty’s sake since they’re such definitive modern iterations.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I'd like to see Joker be the champion for the people in Arkham. A psychotically unhinged murderer, but in a sense someone who also wants to represent those he thinks are similar to him; people society discards or finds inconvenient. I’d like to see any approach that deviates from Ledger/Phoenix/Arkham Hamill’s takes just for novelty’s sake since they’re such definitive modern iterations.

This is what I'm afraid of. I'm tired of the whole "society" figurehead gimmick being used for Joker.
I don't mean to sound rude but funnily enough, what you're proposing is probably the closest to Phoenix's version we'd have yet, it's not necessarily super different at all. I don't want him to empathize with anybody. He should still be a psychopath through and through.

Seeing how monstrous Koba was, and how Joker's clearly manipulating Riddler, I'd expect him to be far more evil than Reeves seems to be letting on.

 

[Sharkboy]

The logic of “All the good things have been said so I’ll rather say new negative things than repeat positive things” is one of the wildest outlooks I’ve seen on the Hype, gotta be honest.

I tell you what IS wild, how everything has to be an ultimate love fest for things lest we damage a few delicate sensibilities.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism for any iteration of Batman, that's what starts a dialogue, that's what most of us are here for.

 

[VonRomberg]

This is what I'm afraid of. I'm tired of the whole "society" figurehead gimmick being used for Joker.
I don't mean to sound rude but funnily enough, what you're proposing is probably the closest to Phoenix's version we'd have yet, it's not necessarily super different at all. I don't want him to empathize with anybody. He should still be a psychopath through and through.

Seeing how monstrous Koba was, and how Joker's clearly manipulating Riddler, I'd expect him to be far more evil than Reeves seems to be letting on.

Oh I wouldn’t want him to be a figurehead for society, I agree. I’d prefer if they ignored any ties to Phoenix’s iteration. I do think it would be interesting for him to be a figurehead criminals and those who reside in Arkham, though.

I’d probably also agree that a take where he doesn’t sympathize with anyone at all is the right way to go. The little we heard and saw of Keoghan made it seem like having a slightly boyish vibe about him probably ends up making him that much more sinister. The clever manipulation of Riddler also makes him seem more intelligent than prior versions, even Ledger’s.

I tell you what IS wild, how everything has to be an ultimate love fest for things lest we damage a few delicate sensibilities.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism for any iteration of Batman, that's what starts a dialogue, that's what most of us are here for.

Sure - but weirdly I didn’t say either of those things, at all. I also like your inclusion of the hype favorite of disingenuous indignation to try and legitimise your reach.

“Delicate sensibilities” - bravo, bravo.

I say “Positive discourse seems preferable to nitpicking things for the sake of not rehashing positive input” and you get that from it? Alrighty.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I remember these set pics floating around, and now that I've actually seen it... I got to wonder, did they shoot these scenes multi times (one with Zoë, one without her) as misdirection? like was this staged just for leaked set photos? or was taking her out of the scene an alternate concept that they changed later?

 

[dhandler01]

It wasdone to help Robert act in the scene if I read right.

 

[DKDetective]

https://gamerant.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-shot-fake-scenes-hide-barry-keoghan-joker/amp/
So I guess I get to save face and that was Barry on set. I was totally ready to eat crow about him not being the cop who directs Bruce in parking his car, but I guess I might have been right all along. It would make sense for Matt to film all of the fake outs at the same time to minimize unnecessary set attendances during COVID.

 

[Kane52630]

One scene that I love and can't wait to gif.

Batman: He's asking you how much it cost for you to turn your back.
Batman: How much?
Gil Colson: Nothing!
Batman: HOW MUCH?! (　ﾟДﾟ)＜!!

 

[WayneMB]

https://gamerant.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-shot-fake-scenes-hide-barry-keoghan-joker/amp/
So I guess I get to save face and that was Barry on set. I was totally ready to eat crow about him not being the cop who directs Bruce in parking his car, but I guess I might have been right all along. It would make sense for Matt to film all of the fake outs at the same time to minimize unnecessary set attendances during COVID.

that wasn't barry. that scene is even in the film

 

[DKDetective]

that wasn't barry. that scene is even in the film

Just like there was a scene of a different woman wearing this exact same outfit on Falcone's arm? They clearly shot elements of these scene twice. I suspect they did the same with Barry. If they wanted to fake people out about his character,.it would make sense to do it in one of the biggest most public location shoots, ie. the funeral scene.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The dude who looked like Barry is actually very clearly in the movie. I thought it was Barry on set too, but it was really obviously this guy once you notice him.

 

[cryptic name]

One scene that I love and can't wait to gif.

Batman: He's asking you how much it cost for you to turn your back.
Batman: How much?
Gil Colson: Nothing!
Batman: HOW MUCH?! (　ﾟДﾟ)＜!!

-What cases??

-He didn't ask that, come on!

One of the little lines that really makes me laugh. Colson being like "don't bust my balls", right up until he dies

 

[OnLeatherWings]

The logic of “All the good things have been said so I’ll rather say new negative things than repeat positive things” is one of the wildest outlooks I’ve seen on the Hype, gotta be honest.

You think it's wild because you're misunderstanding.

I'm not conjuring negative critiques out of thin air or making them up for giggles. They're real points I feel - and ones I don't see being noticed/discussed.

A discussion is full of points and counterpoints or observations.

I personally find it more stimulating to bring new things to a conversation rather than repeating things said that I agree with. Because this forum skews very positive - and because I've got some critiques - I have more to add of fresh variety in the negative area at times. Not always, but sometimes.

I've posted both good and not so good things all throughout this thread.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Well obviously we're only talking in the sense of genuinely felt criticisms and not ones that have just been invented out of the blue.

There we go. Someone gets it.

 

[Jekecy]

https://gamerant.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-shot-fake-scenes-hide-barry-keoghan-joker/amp/
So I guess I get to save face and that was Barry on set. I was totally ready to eat crow about him not being the cop who directs Bruce in parking his car, but I guess I might have been right all along. It would make sense for Matt to film all of the fake outs at the same time to minimize unnecessary set attendances during COVID.

Barry never shot a fake scene. The article's author is incorrectly assuming that valet guy was Barry, and took Reeves' answer as a reference to that.

Reeves' own words is they only wanted to throw fans off the scent, and that was only by naming him as Stanley.

I saw the scene in question myself on the biggest screens you can; IMAX and Dolby Cinema. That valet scene is in the film, you have a great look at the valet actor himself. The same one from all the set pictures. It's not Barry.