The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[TheVileOne]

"Bat-computer, check 4chan and the Dark Web for Riddler fans."

 

[BatLobster]

Need time to process all of this...not sure how to feel.

Definitely got a few heath vibes from some of his mannerisms, especially with the mouth scars.

Yep, I heard one of those signature Heath lip smacks in there.

If anyone hasn't seen this, I timestamped it-- he briefly mentions Heath here and you can tell it made a huge impact on him (in the same interview says he wants to play Robin haha). Lots of irony here.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm ok with changing it up, but everyone has a threshold of where it starts becoming too unfamiliar. The patchy bald head, the extreme scarring, no chalk-white skin -- there's so little here that calls back to the character's iconic look.

I don't know, I guess I'm a little hopeful that Reeves continues to refuse calling him Joker. Maybe he has an ace up in his sleeve when that transformation hits.

For what it's worth I've a better impression of Barry here than the one in the film. The reveal of his mouth and ensuing laughter was effective. Despite the extreme scarring, it was the one moment where it was undeniably "Joker". Maybe I'll have to settle for the performance carrying the rest of the character.

I'm undecided on this version. It's not quite enough and not fully formed enough for me to form an opinion.

It definitely does seem like the Heath Ledger version dialed up several cases.

 

[flygerr5]

Can anybody make out what he said after Batman says he's wasting his time and gets up to leave but stops at the door. I couldn't make out the first line Joker says

 

[Boom]

I'm ok with changing it up, but everyone has a threshold of where it starts becoming too unfamiliar. The patchy bald head, the extreme scarring, no chalk-white skin -- there's so little here that calls back to the character's iconic look.

I don't know, I guess I'm a little hopeful that Reeves continues to refuse calling him Joker. Maybe he has an ace up in his sleeve when that transformation hits.

For what it's worth I've a better impression of Barry here than the one in the film. The reveal of his mouth and ensuing laughter was effective. Despite the extreme scarring, it was the one moment where it was undeniably "Joker". Maybe I'll have to settle for the performance carrying the rest of the character.

The patchy hair kinda reminds me of Depression-era clowns. Bit of a stretch. More simple explanation is the character got chemical-burned and this is the result.

You do make a good point, though. Just like Batman, Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin, this Joker is still in his "infancy." He's not "The Joker" yet. The look may very well evolve from here.

 

[Jekecy]

It definitely does seem like the Heath Ledger version dialed up several cases.

Heath's performance is going to loom over all Joker portrayals forever. Joaquin is the only one who didn't even try to take something from it, but that's to be expected from a top-tier actor with that self confidence.

Literally everyone else has aped something from Heath, and it's frustrating how transparent it always is!

Can anybody make out what he said after Batman says he's wasting his time and gets up to leave but stops at the door. I couldn't make out the first line Joker says

"Ok...let me tell you what I really think"

 

[MasterBoss]

You do make a good point, though. Just like Batman, Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin, this Joker is still in his "infancy." He's not "The Joker" yet. The look may very well evolve from here.

Lol this excuse is always trotted out.

It's never panned out.

 

[antsman41]

I love it. His hair can grow out. This is the best representation of the chemical bath.

I bet Reeves’ full backstory on him is the rictus grin is a birth defect. He becomes a criminal/murderer… and he tries poisoning the reservoir where Batman apprehends him, but ironically falls into his own chemicals resulting in the skin burns/opaque aspect.

 

[flygerr5]

Heath's performance is going to loom over all Joker portrayals forever. Joaquin is the only one who didn't even try to take something from it, but that's to be expected from a top-tier actor with that self confidence.

Literally everyone else has aped something from Heath, and it's frustrating how transparent it always is!


"Ok...let me tell you what I really think"

Lol yeah I got that part, it's what he says after that confused me. It sounds like he starts off saying "You're only terrified-" and the next part I can't make out. Then he says "I think somewhere deep down, you're just terrified because you're not sure he's wrong"

 

[TheVileOne]

What if it wasn't Joker and was actually Two-Face?

 

[Boom]

Lol this excuse is always trotted out.

It's never panned out.

*shrug* Just going by what the director explicitly said.

 

[antsman41]

The writing, the back and forth… Joker’s admiration of Batman.

Gosh, just perfect. I’ve wanted a “seasoned” Batman/Joker relationship in live action for so long.

Huge BTAS-Hamill vibes as well.

 

[Jekecy]

Lol yeah I got that part, it's what he says after that confused me. It sounds like he starts off saying "You're only terrified-" and the next part I can't make out. Then he says "I think somewhere deep down, you're just terrified because you're not sure he's wrong"

I think you don't really care about his motives, whether he loves or hates you.

I think somewhere deep down, you're just terrified cause you're not sure he's wrong.

 

[The Shape]

Cool scene but glad it was left out of the film. Would have grounded the story momentum to a halt, and as we’ve all seen, it was necessary and the film works fine without it.

 

[The Shape]

Where is the most HD version of it?

 

[Boom]

Where is the most HD version of it?

I keep F5'ing Reeves' Twitter account for the 4K link.

 

[BatLobster]

Cool scene but glad it was left out of the film. Would have grounded the story momentum to a halt, and as we’ve all seen, it was necessary and the film works fine without it.

Yeah, I feel like it also just telegraphs the ultimate point of the Batman/Edward scene too much too, and probably would've undercut it too.

I would've cut both scenes from the film and released them both this way.

 

[flygerr5]

I think you don't really care about his motives, whether he loves or hates you.

I think somewhere deep down, you're just terrified cause you're not sure he's wrong.

Thanks bro. Now I feel dumb because it sounds so obvious he said that

 

[BatLobster]

Just noticed, Joker saying "Normally you're so ahead of the curve" to Batman.

Seems like a pretty blatant reference to the TDK interrogation scene to me.

 

[flygerr5]

This is the scariest Joker ever

 

[Enriquespy]

Ya, that scene needs subtitles.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The second scene is a lot more genuinely relevant to the movie even though it’s less cool, because that scene is as much about Nashton as it is about Joker.

 

[BatLobster]

 

[The Joker]

It really is a daunting role to step into when you think of the caliber of actors who have played Joker before. I imagine its how James Bond actors feel too.

 

[WayneMB]

it's blowing up on twitter. Reeves may have free reign but this shows joker is a force. If Reeves is not planning on including joker in the sequel (im sure he does tho), WB will beg him to do it.