The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[thebatfan5194]

The permanent smile made me think of this short film Willem Dafoe starred in:

 

[Gothamsknight]

Is it me, or are Jokers eyes yellow?

 

[emielaen]

Also, no one has mentioned that Riddler reveal in the shadows... holy ****. That was a Hereditary ceiling shot vibe, with a lot of Halloween vibes.

Heck, the whole Colson attack was like Annie/Michael in Halloween.

Great visual bit.

And I found it interesting that Riddler didn't attack him as he was directly behind him. Mitchell started to walk away and Riddler's first bludgeon was a little awkward. It felt like the eventual feeling of killing him had taken over him and he almost missed a critical hit. He was relishing in the moment of beginning his master plan almost too much lol

Then the great, foreshadowing shot of the carpet cutter in the foreground a good 2 hours before the reveal of it's true purpose in relation to the bigger plot was just real good ****. I did really like that, while Batman was smart, he still needed the input from not only other cops but even Penguin to really put everything together the further the film went along. Riddler outsmarted everyone.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Bruce Wayne's home - it totally fits Bruce and this film.

That said, I cannot, in my most far reaching imagination, picture the American Eagle, LL Bean-decked Thomas and Martha Wayne of this universe living there.

I can't imagine them having that place built, walking in and going "Home sweet home!"

 

[Nardz937]

Going back to earlier in the thread my favorite "leak" was Batman collecting Riddler trophies.

NGL would have loved if when Batman went to Riddler's place there was a Riddler trophy looking object on his table that was a light or something as an easter egg

 

[moviedoors]

Then the great, foreshadowing shot of the carpet cutter in the foreground a good 2 hours before the reveal of it's true purpose in relation to the bigger plot was just real good ****. I did really like that, while Batman was smart, he still needed the input form not only other cops but even Penguin to really put everything together the further the film went along. Riddler outsmarted everyone.

I love that it takes a guy with a working class history to reveal it to him. It's subtly reveals one of Batman's blind spots. He's a rich guy that knows how to use tools, but he'd never in a million years lay carpet.

 

[Web-Head]

What are we thinking the more general audience reaction to this will be? My friend who very much fits that category just saw it thought it was "bad" and he said three other people he talked to said they thought it was bad too.

I can't see how anyone seeing this couldn't think it was at least decent

 

[Kane52630]

What are we thinking the more general audience reaction to this will be? My friend who very much fits that category just saw it thought it was "bad" and he said three other people he talked to said they thought it was bad too.

I can't see how anyone seeing this couldn't think it was at least decent

It's going to happen if they think they're walking into another superhero movie and not a detective noir movie.

 

[FunkMiller]

Also, just wanted to add how well I thought Reeves handled the No kill code.

Properly done on screen for the first time with no ambiguity… and framed in such a way as to make it seem like a perfectly reasonable line Batman will not cross.

He literally says to Selina: “don’t throw your life away.” For this Batman, killing represents destroying whatever future you may have as a healthy person. He sees another person’s death as a death for yourself as well… of a more moral and spiritual nature.

I loved that.

 

[FunkMiller]

What are we thinking the more general audience reaction to this will be? My friend who very much fits that category just saw it thought it was "bad" and he said three other people he talked to said they thought it was bad too.

I can't see how anyone seeing this couldn't think it was at least decent

Anyone who thinks they’re walking into a film like Spider-man: No Way Home is going to hate this movie. Sadly, the general audience is now conditioned to think that comic book movies have to follow the Marvel formula. I see many being disappointed that this movie is closer to Chinatown than it is Spidey’s latest exercise in ‘memberberry fan service and CG.

 

[BatLobster]

There are consequences to the saturating the market with a certain type of film.

 

[emielaen]

Did they not get into why they thought it was "bad"? That's so nothing lol

But yeah, Marvel and comic book movie are synonymous so stuff that is quite opposite of that may be met with harsher eyes. Even Joker was more conventional than this in just structure and genre alone. This is probably the only CBM that isn't primarily an action/comedy before anything else. It's a legit drama/noir.

 

[Primal Slayer]

This isnt a negative against the film but I do wish they went a tad further with easter eggs...we get plenty of the news in this film...give us Vicki Vale as the reporter. We got the mob, give us a Bertinelli.

 

[BobJM]

This isnt a negative against the film but I do wish they went a tad further with easter eggs...we get plenty of the news in this film...give us Vicki Vale as the reporter. We got the mob, give us a Bertinelli.

lol I mean, yes, I’ll take it. But I still can’t get over Zoe Kravitz mentioning Bludhaven. I thought that was chef’s kiss. Reeves is a fan.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The hush Easter was my favorite. And the long halloween throwback with Carmine talking about Thomas saving him.

 

[Web-Head]

It's going to happen if they think they're walking into another superhero movie and not a detective noir movie.

That's probably it. I asked him to get into why he didn't like it but it was really just silly nitpicky reasons.

Anyone who thinks they’re walking into a film like Spider-man: No Way Home is going to hate this movie. Sadly, the general audience is now conditioned to think that comic book movies have to follow the Marvel formula. I see many being disappointed that this movie is closer to Chinatown than it is Spidey’s latest exercise in ‘memberberry fan service and CG.

That's the thing though, he hasn't even seen most of the MCU movies. He isn't really a comic book movie fan at all. He liked Nolan's trilogy, the Rami films and some other comic-y stuff here and there but that's about it.

This isnt a negative against the film but I do wish they went a tad further with easter eggs...we get plenty of the news in this film...give us Vicki Vale as the reporter. We got the mob, give us a Bertinelli.

I hope we see Vicki in the sequel or just eventually in this franchise.

 

[PepS]

The scene of them going through Riddler's apartment and journals was so reminiscent of Mills, Somerset and the Cops going through John Doe's apartment in Se7en.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I can't stop thinking about my favorite moments in this. Theres so many! I loved how sarcastic Farrell's Penguin was. There's a bit where Batman slams him against the glass and he gives this sinister penguin grin. It was perfect.

Also, I want to applaud Zoe Kravitz in this. She was amazing, and I think she naturally fit into the role. I loved the way she carried herself throughout the movie.

 

[titansupes]

Batman failed the city and basically caused its destruction. He really should be in Arkham with Riddler and laughing guy in the cell.

Yeah, he didn't accomplish a whole lot... I mean, Riddler killed all the people on his list (except for the new Mayor) and then wiped out a whole bunch of Gotham as his final masterstroke... like... he WON.

Makes me think of Skyfall how Bond took a gamble absconding with M to his family estate to save her/stop Silva... but Silva got her killed and died himself, both things he wanted. Yet the movie treats it as a victory/bittersweet victory.

The tech house music in the club scenes was awesome. They filmed portions of those scenes at Printworks in London, which is one of the best clubs I've ever been to. So that club really exists and is as crazy as it looked inside.

No "44 Below", though...

That you know of.

Completely agree with this. Moronic WB marketing strikes again. A lot of the surprise was taken from the movie.

You can pretty much piece the whole plot together, and all the film’s major beats from the trailers. They should have not featured anything from the back half of the movie.

Yeah, I avoided spoilers like crazy and didn't watch a lot of trailers or spots-- I knew the Joker rumour and that's about it. But I feel like I walked out of this movie with the only surprise being that Riddler didn't know who Batman was.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, he didn't accomplish a whole lot... I mean, Riddler killed all the people on his list (except for the new Mayor) and then wiped out a whole bunch of Gotham as his final masterstroke... like... he WON.

Makes me think of Skyfall how Bond took a gamble absconding with M to his family estate to save her/stop Silva... but Silva got her killed and died himself, both things he wanted. Yet the movie treats it as a victory/bittersweet victory.

If the movie was trying to make a case for Batman being necessary and being a symbol for hope for truth, justice, and hope, they failed in that regard. If anything, it felt like a good argument for why vigilantism is bad and just emboldens and enables more psychotic people.

Police is corrupt. Government is corrupt. Batman's breed of vigilantism only makes it worse and breeds societal anarchy.

But yeah Riddler won. I don't get why he was upset at the end. He basically did just about everything he wanted to do. He just failed to connect that one dot and one person he wanted to get killed just managed to barely survive. But he basically accomplished just about everything he set out to do.

To call what happened at the end some sort of win for Batman or Gotham City is pathetic. Other than Batman being like, "I guess I have to be nicer now. I have to seek justice not vengeance."

Look everyone, he's a ****ing masked vigilante. He's taking the law into his own hands. He's a private citizen, a one percenter billionaire putting on a mask and going on the streets to fight crime. He's not a police officer. He's not an elected official. He is a criminal for all intents and purposes. Ending the film on that note that Batman is too mean and has to be more like a proverbial Superman now is downright comical.

I think if you want to explore why Batman is above some generic ripped from the headlines version of vigilante street justice, I think you can explore that, but this film ultimately failed to do a good job with that.

 

[BobJM]

The hush Easter was my favorite. And the long halloween throwback with Carmine talking about Thomas saving him.

Yes and yes. Both awesome.

And the use of Martha’s Arkham history.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah that Arkham history is straight out of earth one which is cool. I don't miss her being a Kane.

 

[samsnee]

I enjoyed it. It felt different from the Nolan movies to justify rebooting again.

I really liked the score. It had an ominous tone we don’t normally hear in a superhero theme. That combined with the weight of his steps really set the mood.

The first two acts were great. I liked that we started in year two so Batman is already established but still learning. It’s an origin movie without covering the same ground we’ve seen so many times already.

The last act wasn’t as good. Just like Joker’s convoluted plan in TDK, I just couldn’t buy that multiple gunmen with bags of weapons could somehow sneak into the rafters on an election night. It’s like they said “we need one more scene of Batman punching people”.

I wasn’t sure about Zoe’s casting as Catwoman but loved her. Much better than the Nolan version and up there with Pfeiffer.

Pattinson was fine as Batman but a bit too emo for me. I hope his Bruce Wayne develops more of a personality in the next one.

The only thing that makes me sad is we will never get a fantastical solo Batman movie where the villains aren’t grounded. Affleck’s Batman was our best shot but since those movies did horribly, WB is going to stick to realistic Batman for a few more years.

 

[TheVileOne]

I want less grounded villains as well, but Sndyer didn't do a good job of setting it all up.

 

[SpideyZERO]

So this has been on my mind for quite some time....maybe it started with TDK trilogy....

What's up with directors wanting Batman to focus on his no-kill code but yet set up some sequences in which Batman is extremely reckless and arguably causes tons of death? In this movie, as awesome as the batmobile chase was, you could argue that Batman escalated the whole thing with that chase. I can't even imagine how many people were killed in that high way pile up. And all of that for what? Some weird clues that played like a joke?

Speaking of Penguin, did Batman and Gordon seriously left him alone after they busted him on a drug trade, shooting them, and causing high way pile up? Really?