The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Boom]

I think we'll see a more philanthropic/charitable Bruce Wayne in the sequels, but I simply don't see the playboy persona ever coming about. There would have to be a radical, near schizophrenic shift in his personality for that to take place. He can be more public and proactive in supporting Gotham as Bruce Wayne, but I suspect we'll always see an element of shyness and awkwardness to him.

 

[titansupes]

We'll definitely see Philanthropist Bruce from here on, I mean learning that was needed was a key part of this movie. I don't think that necessarily precludes Playboy Bruce from happening. Look at someone like, I don't know, Leo DiCaprio-- Known for being a dedicated, talented actor professionally, and in his private life is equally as famous for his environmental work as he is for dating a slew of 20-something models.

Where the Bale, Conroy and West version were more of a classical 'man about town'... It'd be funny if this Bruce took to booking the VIP rooms of nightclubs and having wild parties in there-- DJ's, strippers and "making it rain"... all that gaudy crap you see modern young rock star kind of celebs doing... gets somewhat famous in the media for his wild parties... yet he himself is all intense and detached in there, just nursing a drink while everyone goes nuts around him.

I think Pattinson himself would find that funny to play, in the same way he thinks it's funny that his Batman really wants to kill some people but won't let himself.

It'd represent each of the various personas while putting their own spin on it, just as they have with the others.

EDIT: Of course, it really does depend on the state of Gotham too, with a lot of it being flooded here I can't imagine that's not going to be a big factor going forward.

 

[Neno_Kos]

maybe its just me but does anyone else not want to see playboy bruce persona with Pattinson??

not that he cant do it he certainly has the charm and charisma to pull it off but i feel it would be too jarring to from reclusive disheveled bruce to public ladies man at cocktail parties mingling with elites

i feel a more humanitarian/philanthropist bruce with fundraisers, donating and meeting with community leaders to help gotham would work much better and probably much more relatable

You mean more like Keaton's Wayne? Keeping up appearence, philanthropist, but not being some playboy. We know he wasnt much recognizable in public eye, keeping to himself. Hell, Vicki Vale didnt knew who he was. If I wasnt wrong.

 

[VonRomberg]

Just for clarification; but are people using TDKT as one of their primary references for “playboy Bruce”?

 

[Eddie Dean]

I don't understand that either, because it's like three scenes of fake playboy Bruce in those. The only true playboy Bruce in movies is Affleck.

 

[Kane52630]

You forgot the one true playboy Bruce.

 

[VonRomberg]

I don't understand that either, because it's like three scenes of fake playboy Bruce in those. The only true playboy Bruce in movies is Affleck.

Is he a playboy or does he just sleep with random women because he’s a lonely alcoholic? To be completely honest I can’t think of a lot of “playboy Bruce Wayne” examples. There’s the “Pretty girl, bad habit, don’t quote me” line - but I’m not sure if that’s serious or him just playing the part.

Mask of the Phantasm actually makes the clearest allusion to it.

I think it would fit with The Batman’s Bruce Wayne portrayal for him to make an attempt at a social life to make it less likely he’s pinned as being the Batman. There are shades of grey to it, it doesn’t mean they have to do a caricatured playboy take on it.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Just for clarification; but are people using TDKT as one of their primary references for “playboy Bruce”?

I don't understand that either, because it's like three scenes of fake playboy Bruce in those.

There needs to be some sort of quota?

Why wouldn't The Dark Knight Trilogy Bruce be an example of 'playboy Bruce'? Even casual fans remember that aspect.

The guy drove showy sports cars, bought hotels on a whim, swam in fountains with models, arrived in helicopters with women on his arm, owns random restaurants, takes an entire ballet out onto a yacht, pretends to be a doofus when Gordon thanks him, etc.

You guys are telling me that's not good enough for him to be an example of playboy persona Bruce?

It's there. But it doesn't need to be in every scene.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Some here seem to grit their teeth at the very idea of giving anything but this new Batman film credit, these days.

 

[VonRomberg]

True, but I guess that’s just average billionaire shenanigans. I might be wrong on this but the playboy element for me primarily refers to his romantic escapades.

TDKT definitely had elements of playboy Bruce but I don’t think they were strongest in that universe.

Reeves could easily do versions of that in his universe too. Bruce having Vicky Vale as his date to a Wayne Charity function or something, similar instances to that. Would that count as playboy Bruce or just him trying to be a convincing billionaire with a life?

IMO with Pattinson’s acting ability and his take on this character I’d like a couple of nods to playboy Bruce just to see how they do it. Nothing excessively Wolf of Wall Street, but just instances to create the impression Bruce has a life.

 

[Captain Tired]

Also, even putting aside the number of scenes where he follows through with it, TDK trilogy Bruce Wayne is absolutely the one cinematic version who explicitly sets out on a kind of mission statement of amping up the playboy persona. To my best recollection, no other live-action take puts as much thought or effort into cultivating that specific type of public persona.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

True, but I guess that’s just average billionaire shenanigans.

Which was kinda the point.

I might be wrong on this but the playboy element for me primarily refers to his romantic escapades.

TDKT definitely had elements of playboy Bruce but I don’t think they were strongest in that universe.

I can't think of any iteration of Batman where the sex life of Bruce is anything more than implied.

The playboy persona was blatant in Nolan's films - anything else would've been unnecessary and redundant especially in films with already long runtimes.

 

[VonRomberg]

Which was kinda the point.

I can't think of any iteration of Batman where the sex life of Bruce is anything more than implied.

The playboy persona was blatant in Nolan's films - anything else would've been unnecessary and redundant especially in films with already long runtimes.

I’m not saying they need to do anything more than imply, but it’s not difficult to agree there’s a difference between his restaurant water feature swim with two models in BB and him waking up next to some nameless woman in BvS.

I’d say incorporating some amount of the approach Nolan took that tonally fits this universe would be fine.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

him waking up next to some nameless woman in BvS.

I never interpreted that as part of his persona, though.

Seemed more like a guy numbing himself with sex and drink and a statement on where Bruce is emotionally.

 

[VonRomberg]

I never interpreted that as part of his persona, though.

Seemed more like a guy numbing himself with sex and drink and a statement on where Bruce is emotionally.

Yeah, that’s fair. Although when he meets Clark at the Luthor thing he makes an offhand comment that seems more like the persona so they blur a bit for me in BvS specifically.

I highly doubt Reeves was going to go for 70s James Bond womanizer in his franchise either way. I wouldn’t mind small references to him realizing he has to at least give the appearance of a social life, romantic or otherwise, but a thickly laid on social media socialite approach doesn’t seem great for this universe or in general.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Affleck is macking on Gadot in BvS in a way no other Bruce Wayne has.

 

[Captain Tired]

In fairness, no other Bruce Wayne has yet had the chance with Gal Gadot.

Although the night is young for Michael Keaton...

...as is she...

 

[TheVileOne]

I think we'll see a more philanthropic/charitable Bruce Wayne in the sequels, but I simply don't see the playboy persona ever coming about. There would have to be a radical, near schizophrenic shift in his personality for that to take place. He can be more public and proactive in supporting Gotham as Bruce Wayne, but I suspect we'll always see an element of shyness and awkwardness to him.

Celebrities and rich playboys acting weird, eccentric, and erratic is something that happens with quite regularity.

Look at Logan Paul. A few years ago, he was persona non grata, now everyone loves him, and he's got a WrestleMania matchup.

 

[cryptic name]

I hope they lean into the philanthropist but maintain the reclusive weirdo to a strong degree. I just imagine that breakfast scene continuing and the Wayne accountants walking in and seeing Bruce at the table wearing his jammies and sunglasses indoors and just being like “man, **** this guy.” Pretty solid disguise.

 

[BMW 224]

Maybe this Bruce could be a politician ?

 

[emielaen]

I'm anticipating philanthropist who still struggles socially here and there.

 

[Brother Jack]

I could see a slightly Gatsby-esque angle to this Bruce, but philanthropic. A kind of mysterious rich guy who hosts big charity events at his mansion luxury high-rise but never shows up to them himself. It would be a way to bridge the playboy thing Bale did with the philanthropy of Conroy (and Bale to an extent), without straying too far from Pattinson's reclusive persona.

 

[Neno_Kos]

On mention I would really mind having Vicki Vale in sequel. She is exactly type of person Bruce could want to shape his public persona after being non existant in public eye. And wouldnt mind going overall reporter storyline, along her being some kind of alleged romantic interest and with Hush being hinted in first movie.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'm anticipating philanthropist who still struggles socially here and there.

Yup, me too. I don't expect the Playboy persona with where this version seems to have rooted itself. Bruce going from a recluse to attending those Wayne meetings in person would be cool growth haha. I also am looking forward to him actually being nice to Alfred.

 

[Drop Head]

Also, even putting aside the number of scenes where he follows through with it, TDK trilogy Bruce Wayne is absolutely the one cinematic version who explicitly sets out on a kind of mission statement of amping up the playboy persona. To my best recollection, no other live-action take puts as much thought or effort into cultivating that specific type of public persona.

Keaton’s BW threw a charitable house part at his house with lots of Gotham’s “celebs” but that movie makes it seem like no one knows who BW is.