The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[BMW 224]

not surprised they released this.

wb is really confident in reeve's vision right now.

It's strange but this clip even more than the actual film really made it hit home for me that Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson are here to stay and new decade of Batman under there hands is a upon us.

It feels satisfying and reliving knowing that Reeves writing tone cinmeatogrphy and performances is the the type of Batman we will be getting for now one.

Even this Joker design doesn't seem to be controversial for most people.

Everyone is just happy and enjoying Reeves vision for Batman.

We've come along way from the Snyder Era.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Man, this is a great scene. Really goes to show how recontextualizing something can change my mind about a character. I didn't like Keoghan in that 2nd scene and was so sick of the Joker, now I'm pretty excited about this frightening monster Joker and this Batman/Joker relationship. The scene is that good!

One day, I wouldn't mind they put this scene back into a specialty screening if Reeves allowed it. Like the Extended LOTR films, just say **** it, you can afford to put this deleted scene back in as the expectations are different since it's part of the event. It'd be fun. And I'm just curious to see how that 2nd scene plays out with this back in.

 

[Jekecy]

Anyone else really shocked they released this?

I'm surprised, big time.
I'd have thought they'd wait to release it to hype up the HBO Max date or to promote something.

Usually this type of thing isn't just put out there willy nilly.

We're at the halfway point of the theater run.

This was definitely timed specifically to attract hype for one last surge in theaters, before this hits streaming.

 

[kolyid]

I was watching reactions to the scene on YT and reading some of the comments.

Someone mentioned that if you notice carefully that when Batman gets the folder back that the paper clip is gone. I just imagine part of Joker taunting Batman was to distract him from the fact that he swiped the paper clip to probably unlock his cuffs.

 

[FunkMiller]

Honestly, Pattison’s performance in that new clip impressed me more than Keoghan.

This Joker is fine, but it does feel like “do it like Heath, only go even further”.

Would have preferred a Joker like the one in Harleen this time around: charismatic.

 

[Jekecy]

I was watching reactions to the scene on YT and reading some of the comments.

Someone mentioned that if you notice carefully that when Batman gets the folder back that the paper clip is gone. I just imagine part of Joker taunting Batman was to distract him from the fact that he swiped the paper clip to probably unlock his cuffs.

I just took a look at 4K Vimeo clip...the paper clip is still there.

EDIT: Never mind. I see there are multiple paper clips at the start, and at least one is missing at the end.

 

[BMW 224]

Honestly, Pattison’s performance in that new clip impressed me more than Keoghan.

This Joker is fine, but it does feel like “do it like Heath, only go even further”.

Would have preferred a Joker like the one in Harleen this time around: charismatic.

I know this may be ironic coming from me....

But I think he'll get that charisma wants he becomes Joker.

I think Barry Keoangh performance is league's different than Heaths

The writing is similar but he made it his own in my opinion.

 

[Doctor Jones]

What I love about this scene too is it's great worldbuilding. It's intent is still artistic but at the same time as a bonus, it feels like I'm reading a Batman comic. While the Riddler is running loose, along with Catwoman and Penguin out there, Joker's in Arkham where Batman can visit. It's cool to see stuff like this.

 

[Boom]

"Commissioner" had a Ledger vibe, but otherwise it just sounds like Keoghan to me.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm not getting the Ledger comparisons other than the contorted smile. It pretty much ends after the congenial disease that makes him the way he is.

 

[BMW 224]

"Commissioner" had a Ledger vibe, but otherwise it just sounds like Keoghan to me.

Yeah i agree.
Plus even the writing which I admit is similar has enough that serperates itself.

Barry Keoangh gives me the vibe that's he's less interested in making some big point about society like Heaths and more interested in ****in with Batmans head and other mental patients.

Which if I'm being honest as much I love Heaths Joker and consider him my favorite...

Is what I've always wanted in a live action Joker.

 

[BMW 224]

I think it says alot about how utterly fantastic Robert Pattinson acting is as Batman when he shares screentime with Barry Keoangh Joker and isn't overshadowed.

All the previous Batmans actors struggled with this in my opinion.

Even Bale.

 

[Razor Crest]

Great scene. Understandable why it was cut (it may come off as slightly shoe horned to some if it was added in, despite my need for a director’s cut now), but it being out in the open now benefits for the reception to alter anything for upcoming sequels and shows. Barry’s doing a wonderful job and so glad that this draws more from Silence of the Lambs as Batman reluctantly asks for Joker’s help. You can tell he wants NOTHING to do with Joker and is just repulsed by looking at him.

The first thing that came to mind was definitely the Joker’s inspiration: The Man Who Laughs. He’s so damned grotesque, just absolutely mangled! Chemicals, wood chipper, for me the disfigured teeth and ghoulish eyes scream Conrad Veidt to me, and I can’t wait to see more.

 

[antsman41]

ending part of the scene is great - how joker tries to get under batman's skin.
he knows deep down batman has this urge to want to kill.

plus that laugh.

and yup, it feels like that comic book batman / joker dynamic that we haven't gotten since 2008.


jared leto right now:

I’d say we haven’t got this Batman/Joker dynamic since 1993ish.

 

[dhandler01]

Some are very touchy about critiquing this film.

And some seem very touchy if you praise it too much.

 

[antsman41]

I must agree with Grace Randolph why Joker scene is deleted and why it stayed deleted. It truly is taking away from two main characters dynamic.

It also take from Pattinson's Batman as world greatest detective where he is forced to go to someone looking for answers. I watched movie for 2nd time and this movie truly is all about that.

And while scene is great and I like new take on Joker I still prefer scene which was in movie as first sneak peak on him. I also think this scene would have overshadowed Riddler and that's a bad bad thing if your movie is 3h long. That would mean you have done poor job with Riddler if one 5 minute scene overshadows 3h villain.

Batman has been visiting Joker/etc. in jail for help with other cases since the later 70’s or early 80’s.

 

[blaberskite]

This joker is truly horrific, I do think that audiences have become pretty comfortable with the character at this point so it's good to see something so extreme.

I'd thought for a long time that the character should be totally fear inducing. Don't get me wrong I'm sure that any of the other interpretations if you met them wouldn't be pleasant, but this is totally unhinged from what we've seen.

If he's bought back in future films I think this could be the first time that audiences are genuinely scared by the character. Again just to reiterate the other interpretations have been great in their own ways, but this looks like it could be out of a horror movie.

 

[B]

Stick me down in the category of not impressed. Without further context of the character's prior relationship, this scene alone wouldn't & doesn't make much sense to just randomly pop up within the film with Batman showing up to effectively ask him for help.. like why? Why would Batman go to him in particular for help? Why would he even give it to him, even if he could help him given that presumably, Batman put him in there?

IMO, the scene makes little sense without any further setup & I'd imagine that's possibly one of the reasons why it was cut as I surmise it disrupted the flow of the actual story to basically shoehorn almost an Easter Egg scene in for fans.

Look wise, I'm not really digging what little we can make out of him, particularly the mouth area & the reason is simply because he looks like he has some sort of terrible, untreated disease & I personally don't really like that. I'd rather the scarring was a little more, deliberate, like Ledger's.

 

[BMW 224]

This joker is truly horrific, I do think that audiences have become pretty comfortable with the character at this point so it's good to see something so extreme.

I'd thought for a long time that the character should be totally fear inducing. Don't get me wrong I'm sure that any of the other interpretations if you met them wouldn't be pleasant, but this is totally unhinged from what we've seen.

If he's bought back in future films I think this could be the first time that audiences are genuinely scared by the character. Again just to reiterate the other interpretations have been great in their own ways, but this looks like it could be out of a horror movie.

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It's definitely the most distributing Joker has looked in live action.

We've gotten so many "sympathetic" Joker's lately it feels great to see pure evil one again.

Leto doesn't count because he hilarious to watch lol.

 

[BMW 224]

Stick me down in the category of not impressed. Without further context of the character's prior relationship, this scene alone wouldn't & doesn't make much sense to just randomly pop up within the film with Batman showing up to effectively ask him for help.. like why? Why would Batman go to him in particular for help? Why would he even give it to him, even if he could help him given that presumably, Batman put him in there?

IMO, the scene makes little sense without any further setup & I'd imagine that's possibly one of the reasons why it was cut as I surmise it disrupted the flow of the actual story to basically shoehorn almost an Easter Egg scene in for fans.

Look wise, I'm not really digging what little we can make out of him, particularly the mouth area & the reason is simply because he looks like he has some sort of terrible, untreated disease & I personally don't really like that.

I think it's "canon" that he has some type of disease Ib this take actually so that's intentional.

As for the rest of your issues to be honest that's just Batman and Joker's unquie realtionship to be honest can't really blame the film when's adapting that aspect straight from the comics.

 

[B]

I think it's "canon" that he has some type of disease on this take actually so that's intentional.

Ugh, I hope not.

I edited & added to the end of that post after you quoted, I personally would prefer if the scarring, was more deliberate, something similar to but not necessarily the same as, Ledger's Joker.

 

[BMW 224]

Ugh, I hope not.

I edited & added to the end of that post after you quoted, I personally would prefer if the scarring, was more deliberate, something similar to but not necessarily the same as, Ledger's Joker.

I get that.

The only thing I can really say is that this way Barry Keoangh Joker stand's out from Heath Ledger even more.

We've seen deliberate scarring before so why not try something new like some type of disease ?

Don't get me wrong it took alot of getting used to for me as well but I evey joker design has that element.

Back when Heath Ledger Joker look was first revealed the deliberate looking scarring was controversial as well.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

And some seem very touchy if you praise it too much.

Someone feels called out.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Batman has been visiting Joker/etc. in jail for help with other cases since the later 70’s or early 80’s.

Batman did that yes. But to me situation and context of movie and deleted scene of interraction seems like Bat did it because was almost desparate or clueless? I dont know. Almost like Batman in this Joker deleted scene acted bit different than he was in movie.

Like I said I have no issue with scene. It just felt off with context of movie. More like it was standalone teaser scene for possible sequel than it fit with movie. Even dialogue between them. Like I said it's 3h long movie. You wanted Riddler having grand finale and giving answers + reasons for his actions, not 3rd party participant in Joker basically because of his "instincts" in 5 minutes of screentime giving spoilers on Riddler.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I really really love this clip and the look of this Joker the more I watch it. I love how far away, the black eyes and long permanent smile stand out, and slightly diminishes into something more grotesque as you get close with the details coming out. Just an overall fantastic scene and it has me so hyped for the future.