Ant-Man The best way that Marvel can fix this

[The Question]

This.

The finer details of a film.


And considering that the Ant-Man script has been in constant revision since it was first written, its not hard to imagine that (in the lead up to production) Marvel and Wright were clashing as to what it would be when it came time to film.

Maybe.

But we don't know that.

They could have been asking for rewrites, for example, to better integrate it into the MCU after Avengers came out. Wright could have been rewriting it simply because he didn't think the script was good enough yet.

So far, it's all assumption.

 

[TheVision]

The Question: Im just speculating as to what were things that couldve ruined the partnership, Im not an authority on the facts.

Of course all the MCU films have diff tones etc, thats def part of why we like them but maybe Edgars Ant Man world wasnt quite what Marvel wanted. No clue what took them so long to realize it. Thats the real mystery here

 

[samsnee]

After seeing The Lego Movie, I realize that the MCU is a lot like the lessons of that movie. You'll have people who feel that the MCU needs to fit exactly into the right pieces in order for the thing to work, and that deviating from the original intention is wrong (Pym in the Avengers), much like the father in the movie.

Then you have people who want to play more loosely and connect parts that won't necessarily make sense but could be more fun, like the son in the movie. And the correct answer is that it needs to be a little of both.

 

[The Question]

The Question: Im just speculating as to what were things that couldve ruined the partnership, Im not an authority on the facts.

Of course all the MCU films have diff tones etc, thats def part of why we like them but maybe Edgars Ant Man world wasnt quite what Marvel wanted. No clue what took them so long to realize it. Thats the real mystery here

I agree. I'm just saying that if we solve the mystery and it turns out that either party was in the wrong, there's no reason anyone should get a free pass. Not being the IP owners, not being an auteur director, none. If your ideas were bad and bad for the project, you done goofed. To say otherwise is just people deflecting blame from the side that they want to be in the right.

 

[weezerspider]

Apologize to Edgar Wright and beg him to come back to shoot his script.

 

[DrCosmic]

Of course all the MCU films have diff tones etc, thats def part of why we like them but maybe Edgars Ant Man world wasnt quite what Marvel wanted. No clue what took them so long to realize it. Thats the real mystery here

It's only a mystery if you assume that Edgar Wright's Ant-Man pitch didn't fit in with what Marvel wanted, even though evidence indicates the exact opposite. The mystery is what is it that caused the break up, because it evidently wasn't anything the fans complain about (old Pym, time delay, etc). They're not idiots who simply didn't realize the fans selective purism wasn't being satisfied... something new happened. What was it? Was it a new rewrite from Marvel sprung on Wright? Was it Wright being slow in movie prep and they didn't think he'd make the filming date? That's the mystery. Not how can we imagine that Marvel suddenly turned against the things they have been supporting for the last years and will continue to support.

 

[samsnee]

It might not be Marvel, it might be Disney. That Forbes article awhile back said that Disney was fairly hands off, but who knows.

 

[TheVision]

Whatever the reason, it was for the best, because things werent working out. And they had a helluva long time to get things in order.

 

[Ant-manic]

It's only a mystery if you assume that Edgar Wright's Ant-Man pitch didn't fit in with what Marvel wanted, even though evidence indicates the exact opposite. The mystery is what is it that caused the break up, because it evidently wasn't anything the fans complain about (old Pym, time delay, etc). They're not idiots who simply didn't realize the fans selective purism wasn't being satisfied... something new happened. What was it? Was it a new rewrite from Marvel sprung on Wright? Was it Wright being slow in movie prep and they didn't think he'd make the filming date? That's the mystery. Not how can we imagine that Marvel suddenly turned against the things they have been supporting for the last years and will continue to support.

article says it was a mix. Wright and Cornish were handed rewrites to their script, at the last minute. those rewrites completely changed the movie. and some department heads left because they sensed a delay in production. as much as I like Ant-Man, I can't fault Wright in being insulted by having his movie yanked out from under him.

 

[TheVision]

 

[SpideyFan866]

article says it was a mix. Wright and Cornish were handed rewrites to their script, at the last minute. those rewrites completely changed the movie. and some department heads left because they sensed a delay in production. as much as I like Ant-Man, I can't fault Wright in being insulted by having his movie yanked out from under him.

But it's not HIS movie.


Now I understand perfectly that, after 8 years, you'll feel a certain way about and project and will want it done a certain way. And to have things change to where you can no longer make it the way you want would want to make some one leave the project all together, but he had to know that it wasn't his project to do as he pleased anyway.

 

[Ant-manic]

But it's not HIS movie.


Now I understand perfectly that, after 8 years, you'll feel a certain way about and project and will want it done a certain way. And to have things change to where you can no longer make it the way you want would want to make some one leave the project all together, but he had to know that it wasn't his project to do as he pleased anyway.

Marvel had to know that they were hiring Edgar Wright when they hired him. they knew what they were getting.

 

[TheVision]

You really dont know what youre getting until the person writes the final draft and explains what kind of movie itll be on the screen. whatever he came up with didnt gel with the MCU. It sounds like they made him do rewrites and he didnt comply enough. So they gave it to someone else with their notes on changes needed. He didnt like it, so he left. Theres no reason to mess with his work unless it ended up being not good for the studios interest. As we've said before, Its the MCU, not Edgar Wrights Universe.

 

[Mysteryman]

It's been 8 years.
Marvel didn't just discover who Wright was at the last minute.

 

[TheVision]

They made a mistake by hiring him I guess. Its better they made the decision now than put out a crappy film and say: Sorry Planet Earth for this dud, we shouldve done it differently.

 

[The Question]

They made a mistake by hiring him I guess. Its better they made the decision now than put out a crappy film and say: Sorry Planet Earth for this dud, we shouldve done it differently.

Why do you think Edgar Wright would produce a crappy film?

 

[TheVision]

Why do you think Edgar Wright would produce a crappy film?

 

[The Question]

If I misunderstood what you were saying, I apologize.

 

[TheVision]

^^ I think it would be crappy because hes not directing the movie. If it was going to be a huge hit, he'd be getting ready to shoot it.

 

[The Question]

^^ I think it would be crappy because hes not directing the movie. If it was going to be a huge hit, he'd be getting ready to shoot it.

That logic seems very flawed to me.

 

[TheVision]

Ok to be fair, if it had the CHANCE to be a hit, he'd be shooting it still. Apparently, Marvel felt it didnt, so no more Edgar.

 

[The Question]

Ok to be fair, if it had the CHANCE to be a hit, he'd be shooting it still. Apparently, Marvel felt it didnt, so no more Edgar.

No. If Marvel thought it had the chance to be a hit, he'd still be shooting it. My point is that it is entirely possible that either Marvel or Edgar Wright could have been wrong, or that both of them were wrong. Marvel Studios is not infallible. Acting like they are is silly.

 

[kedrell]

It's been 8 years.
Marvel didn't just discover who Wright was at the last minute.

Tit for tat. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Wright knew how Marvel Studios did business as well. They need team players who can be flexible as this business is rather fluid. They don't need any auteur prima donna's who think they are the last word when it comes to these films.

Personally, I'm apt to trust Fiege's judgment 10X more than ANY of the writer's/directors/actors that MS has hired. The studio is the auteur here.

 

[TheVision]

TheQuestion: you really dont already know that Marvel has been highly successful at making super hero movies since 2008? Theyre at the top of their biz, yet youre acting like they have no clue whats good/bad for their franchises. Thats crazy.

This isnt up for debate, those are the FACTS

 

[The Question]

TheQuestion: you really dont already know that Marvel has been highly successful at making super hero movies since 2008? Theyre at the top of their biz, yet youre acting like they have no clue whats good/bad for their franchises. Thats crazy.

I'm not acting like they have no clue what's good and what's bad for their franchises. I'm acting like it's possible for them to make a mistake. They are not infallible. I'm not saying they definitely did make a mistake. It's entirely possible that this was the best decision to make for this project. It could be that Wright was on the wrong track with this one and they needed a fresh set of eyes. But it is possible that Marvel were making bad calls on this project and that Wrights way of doing it was better, because no one, not Kevin Feige, not Edgar Wright, not even Joss Whedon, my favorite writer of all time, is infallible. Everyone is capable of making a bad call. Everyone is capable of falling into bad habits, even after establishing a good track record for themselves. Assuming that Marvel was in the right and that they are incapable of making a bad call is unfair to Edgar Wright, it is disingenuous as we currently have no idea what calls were made by whom, and it gives content creators a free pass from criticism, which always inevitably leads to bad art.

The fact is, we don't know what happened. Maybe Marvel was right. Maybe Wright was right. Maybe they were both right. Maybe they were both wrong. We don't know. But assuming anything right now is unfair to both parties involved, and it has no basis in fact.

This isnt up for debate, those are the FACTS

They've made good calls so far. They have not, however, made exclusively good calls. Both of the Thor films are fairly weak, as is The Incredible Hulk. And making a string of good calls doesn't mean you're incapable of making a bad call. That is a fact.