Bumblebee The Bumblebee Spin-Off Official Thread

[TheVileOne]

Doesn't this movie also actively contradict the first Transformers film as well?

They are doing a soft reboot rather then a hard reboot, trying to have their cake and eat it too, does not change the fact that the Bayformers films have garbage continuity and you would need some sort of reboot to tell a cohesive story. There is no point trying to build off of everything Bay did, because the continuity in the Bay films is horrible and contradictory.

Yes in some ways it contradicts the Bay film, but it also reinforces it in others. So Bumblebee contradicts itself really.

 

[2kt09]

Yes in some ways it contradicts the Bay film, but it also reinforces it in others. So Bumblebee contradicts itself really.

man...you guys keeping this so tight lipped and vague
Tell me pretty please.

 

[TheVileOne]

man...you guys keeping this so tight lipped and vague
Tell me pretty please.

Well for example, Bumblebee's voice box is damaged in the movie, hence his damaged voice and talking through his radio and sound FX in the other films.

But keep in mind, he talks at the end of the first film, his voice somehow miraculously repaired. Then right at the beginning of Revenge of the Fallen, he's suddenly gone back to his goofy radio/sound speak with some hand-wavey explanation.

And then he does it again in Last Knight. He speaks with his voice. Optimus says he hasn't heard it since the fall of Cybertron...What the ****...you literally heard him speak in his voice at the end of the first movie saying he wanted to stay to guard Sam!

That's just an example of this whole universe's messed up continuity they can't keep straight from film to film.

 

[The Overlord]

Yes in some ways it contradicts the Bay film, but it also reinforces it in others. So Bumblebee contradicts itself really.

Well they want to have their cake and eat it too, that's what a soft reboot does, takes parts they like and ignores the rest. My point stands, you can't use any Bay's set up for this film, because Bay's set up was bad and made no sense.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well they want to have their cake and eat it too, that's what a soft reboot does, takes parts they like and ignores the rest. My point stands, you can't use any Bay's set up for this film, because Bay's set up was bad and made no sense.

Except this film still makes an effort to set up large swaths of Bay's films.

 

[2kt09]

Well for example, Bumblebee's voice box...

Except this film still makes an effort to set up large swaths of Bay's films.

lol, I want all of them, spoiler tag if you must. The voice box thing I figured everyone knew by now.
And between this and the current cartoon, might as well be Bee's default backstory since they won't give that up.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spoiler

Bumblebee scans a camaro and turns into his camaro form from the beginning of the first movie at the end.

 

[Marvolo]

Heres the thing tho, this film is set 20 years before Transformer 1. Theyve got hopefully many more Transformer films to set in that 20 years. At any point from here on out they can change course, and just throw out Bay's films, and it wont hurt these new films at all. Somewhat like with the Fox Xmen films, continuity is whatever they say it is whenever they say. Just focus on making each film the best they can, and as long as the new films have good continuity with each other that will be fine. If they never get around to matching the new films 1 to 1 with Transformers 1 that will be fine, because I dont think anyone really cares all that much if it happens or doesnt happen.

 

[TheVileOne]

Here the thing tho, this films set 20 years before Transformer 1. At any point from her on out they can change course and just throw out Bay's films and it qont hurt these new films at all. Somewhat like with the Fox Xmen films, continuity is whatever they say it is whenever they say. Just focus on making each film the best they can. As long as the new films have good continuity with each other that will be fine. If they never get around to mat hung them 1 to 1 with Transformers 1 that will be fine, because I dont think anyone really cares all that much if it happens or doesnt happen.

Yeah and look at the state of the X-Men franchise right now. It hasn't really helped those films in the long run at all. It's a borderline **** show outside of Deadpool.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[2kt09]

Heres the thing tho, this film is set 20 years before Transformer 1. Theyve got hopefully many more Transformer films to set in that 20 years. At any point from here on out they can change course, and just throw out Bay's films, and it wont hurt these new films at all. Somewhat like with the Fox Xmen films, continuity is whatever they say it is whenever they say. Just focus on making each film the best they can, and as long as the new films have good continuity with each other that will be fine. If they never get around to matching the new films 1 to 1 with Transformers 1 that will be fine, because I don't think anyone really cares all that much if it happens or doesn't happen.

Does Transformers even have some multiverse timey wimey gimmick? TMNT, at the very least, did that in almost every version.
It's always been good vs bad robots with the only "lore" any person cares to recall is that they're here now because they killed their planet.

 

[TheVileOne]

Does Transformers even have some multiverse timey wimey gimmick? TMNT, at the very least, did that in almost every version.
It's always been good vs bad robots with the only "lore" any person cares to recall is that they're here now because they killed their planet.

They've done that in some stories but not the live-action films. Like Beast Wars has all sorts of time travel stuff. Some of the anime versions do as well.

 

[MurkeNyou]

Really, really enjoyed this. I'm actually a bit angrry they kept letting bay handle the IP for so long, when the first guy not him they give the keys to, immediately produces a heartwarming "you get it" film. If you love Transformers but Bayformers left you cold and bitter, this is the refresh for you.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean we always knew Michael Bay was full of hot garbage about the robot designs. Travis Knight simply, finally proved it.

Why couldn't they have looked this way from the beginning?

Even at the time, I think something closer to the IDW comics or War for Cybertron designs would've been better. But Travis Knight basically went full G1.

Bay was wrong from the getgo. The Transformers in his films never looked good. The dinobots look awful. Optimus looked awful. Megatron looked awful.

 

[Inhuman117]

True Bay was wrong from the beginning also he said that the G1 Transformers will never work on the Big Screen again he was totally wrong with this and i pray from my heart that this Movie will be a Sussess because i want see more from this

 

[The Overlord]

Except this film still makes an effort to set up large swaths of Bay's films.

You ignored most of my post about what a soft reboot is and the film makers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. A hard reboot would require them to wait some years to release a couple of years to release this film and they did not want to do that.

If the Bay set up was awful, but those films are still in public's mind, why not do a soft reboot?

 

[StarLord]

Saw this earlier today and really enjoyed it. Charlie's interactions with Bee were great and it was an all round entertaining movie.

Might not be perfect, but it's a good start if they plan to keep these simple, both aesthetically and story wise.

 

[TheVileOne]

You ignored most of my post about what a soft reboot is and the film makers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. A hard reboot would require them to wait some years to release a couple of years to release this film and they did not want to do that.

If the Bay set up was awful, but those films are still in public's mind, why not do a soft reboot?

In interviews, Travis Knight has acknowledged this is a prequel set 20 years before the first movie.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[TheVileOne]

Almost like there's a connection or pattern with those other films...

 

[StarLord]

 

[Relugus]

Bay is a producer of the movie so Knight likely had to say its part of the same continuity.

The opening 5 minutes shows us a glimpse of the Transformers movie many of us dream of, but I don't see Spielberg, Bay, and Boniventura ever allowing such a Transformers movie to happen.

 

[2kt09]

Bay is a producer of the movie so Knight likely had to say its part of the same continuity.

The opening 5 minutes shows us a glimpse of the Transformers movie many of us dream of, but I don't see Spielberg, Bay, and Boniventura ever allowing such a Transformers movie to happen.

they're spending enough as is having these movies centered around the human characters
maybe try calling Luc Besson

 

[terry78]

Yeah, those first scenes on Cybertron got me good. I was seeing Arcee, Huffer, Wheeljack, Skywarp, and the rest as they were when I was like 7. And they nailed every detail.

 

[TheVileOne]

Unfortunately they only had like one line each. I guess two for Shockwave.